RE: One Night Werewolf - Round Three - Signups
05-25-2014, 07:52 PM
Chwoka, you outsmarted yourself. Here's the thing.
Slorange's mason claim went unchallenged and so did Donut's troublemaker claim.
The only way they could have been lying would be if both roles weren't in the game. By the time all the claims were in, the requirements for you NOT to be a mason - and therefore town - were pretty ludicrous, as my theoretical situations showed.
-For you to not be town, one of these situations must hold: Donut isn't actually Troublemaker, or Slorange has to be a non-town role. (Tanner, Wolf, or Doppelgangercopying anti-town)
-Can these both happen at once? No, due to the lack of counterclaims. There would need to be two unused Mason cards and an unused Troublemaker, but with your minion knowledge you already knew there was only one wolf. You can't have two masons, a wolf, and a troublemaker among three unused cards.
-So let's say Slorange is lying about being the only mason. Nobody else claimed mason, so that card must not have been in the game at all. You know there was originally a wolf card not in the game. This means all other cards are in the game.
Problem: No one has, at any point, ever claimed to be a hunter. And anyone who was once a hunter would have no reason to lie about that, unless they were swapped with a wolf (which can't plausibly happen under this scenario because the Troublemaker's assumed to be telling the truth.)
-So now we're left with Donut as a liar. Again, nobody has reason to hide being Troublemaker, so that card's not in the game. You know there's only one wolf. And nobody has reason to hide second mason, so that card's not in the game either.
Problem: The hunter again. Still unaccounted for.
So with your specific knowledge that there's only one wolf, and the fact that mason and troublemaker haven't been counterclaimed, and the fact that hunter hasn't been claimed (outside of Pala saying he is but only because he was a drunk), it's impossible for you to not be a mason - and therefore town - unless town players are hiding details for no reason.
On the other hand, if you reveal that you actually were minion and Schazer's a wolf, well, I guess we assume SeaWyrm and Garuru are telling the truth and lynch her and lose anyways. I'm not even sure how we'd be able to figure it out otherwise.
We might have gotten Garuru by luck if we hadn't suspected SeaWyrm of being minion, that's probably the silliest part of all this.
Slorange's mason claim went unchallenged and so did Donut's troublemaker claim.
The only way they could have been lying would be if both roles weren't in the game. By the time all the claims were in, the requirements for you NOT to be a mason - and therefore town - were pretty ludicrous, as my theoretical situations showed.
-For you to not be town, one of these situations must hold: Donut isn't actually Troublemaker, or Slorange has to be a non-town role. (Tanner, Wolf, or Doppelgangercopying anti-town)
-Can these both happen at once? No, due to the lack of counterclaims. There would need to be two unused Mason cards and an unused Troublemaker, but with your minion knowledge you already knew there was only one wolf. You can't have two masons, a wolf, and a troublemaker among three unused cards.
-So let's say Slorange is lying about being the only mason. Nobody else claimed mason, so that card must not have been in the game at all. You know there was originally a wolf card not in the game. This means all other cards are in the game.
Problem: No one has, at any point, ever claimed to be a hunter. And anyone who was once a hunter would have no reason to lie about that, unless they were swapped with a wolf (which can't plausibly happen under this scenario because the Troublemaker's assumed to be telling the truth.)
-So now we're left with Donut as a liar. Again, nobody has reason to hide being Troublemaker, so that card's not in the game. You know there's only one wolf. And nobody has reason to hide second mason, so that card's not in the game either.
Problem: The hunter again. Still unaccounted for.
So with your specific knowledge that there's only one wolf, and the fact that mason and troublemaker haven't been counterclaimed, and the fact that hunter hasn't been claimed (outside of Pala saying he is but only because he was a drunk), it's impossible for you to not be a mason - and therefore town - unless town players are hiding details for no reason.
On the other hand, if you reveal that you actually were minion and Schazer's a wolf, well, I guess we assume SeaWyrm and Garuru are telling the truth and lynch her and lose anyways. I'm not even sure how we'd be able to figure it out otherwise.
We might have gotten Garuru by luck if we hadn't suspected SeaWyrm of being minion, that's probably the silliest part of all this.
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