Nostalgfia - GAME OVER SCUM WIN

Wheat, do you have a semi truck?

He isn't just a mason btw. If he wants to keep that bit private, that's cool.

Solaris uses they/she

I would sort of like a confirm/deny from Pala and n-o that they were trying to visit one of that pair, just for........fun

nope, I wasn't

sorry, haven't had much time for this game lately, but CSJ does sound pretty sketch

vote: CSJ

n-o why did you target the person you attempted to target?

I visited CSJ on purpose.

I don't actually get to choose targets with my role

That seems very convenient, if I'm being totally honest. Why not say that in the first place?

Solaris wasn't a super weird kill to me, honestly

Tempted to assume Robo is the scum redirector based on them claiming the ability to visit two targets, but could also see it being n-o because again, convenient.

I think CSJ was talking about killing himself because he gives out the poison he himself brought up, so I'm okay with that kill.

aC, Robo, why did you target the person/people you targeted?

I was actually distributing some items I had to some people last night, and I chose the people I did because I thought they might benefit from them. I know this is, like, ULTRA vague but if you really want I can elaborate who I chose for y'all. Kind of like how wheat explained how their role works:

*dog demonstrates how when they do actions, they visit multiple people, mixing up all of the items and depositing the same number of items all players started with to each player.

in that I get to choose a set of people to distribute items randomly to. Again though, none of the people I picked were CSJ or a52, which makes me think there's another misdirection happening.

Also... I didn't notice this the first time around but I was actually stolen from! I no longer have a poison.

That seems very convenient, if I'm being totally honest. Why not say that in the first place?

because I don't want to give out a lot of role info?

Votes:

Nercania: (1) (Wheat)
CSJ: (4) (Seedy, AwkwardCarapace,mirdini, nercania-orccelga)

Absaining: (12): (Schazer, Akumu, Sunspider, Robust Laser, Reyweld, Robottobt, CSJ, a52, Granolaman, Palamedes, Pharmacy, Cat)

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch and 4 to soft lynch.

Countdown to Day End

wheat did you get a present last night

Still waitin' on a mod response in the ol' QT, but with all this item garbage I think trying to puzzle out night actions is almost more distraction than useful. a52's weird results re: visitations don't make sense to me no matter how much I try to wrap my head around it.

Also re:

He isn't just a mason btw. If he wants to keep that bit private, that's cool.

Solaris uses they/she

I got the impression CSJ was actually talking about you, Schaz?

Re: the substance of the message a. it's CSJ, who spent most of yesterday trying to get us to lynch him and b. idk why we'd care to find out more considering you're pretty heavily town as-is w/ the whole mason thing

(ALTHOUGH FINAL FANTASY MAFIA UNALIGNED MASON FLASHBACKS

hi Acio)

I think CSJ might be referring to you, Schaz?
also we need to be clear if we’re talking about a redirector or a busdriver, they’re usually different roles? driver targets 2 people and sets up a switch, redirector targets 1 person and causes them to target a person of the redirector’s choosing. I’ve been using the terms loosely but there IS a difference...although I’m beginning to think we’ve exhausted our current knowledge of what the hell happened and should move on for now LMAO NINJA’d

@nercania who do you think is scum other than CSJ

I REALLY want sunspider to come weigh in...

Schazer did you by any chance recieve a pog last night?

Schazer did you by any chance recieve a pog last night?

Yeah I did, along with Apple and Poison

Actually what I think I'm gonna do tonight is combine Apple+Poison to make a secretly poisoned apple; that way the Poison is expended and will no longer set a death clock on people if/when my whole inventory goes bouncing off into some other unfortunate townie's inbox.

And if anyone who isn't scum/CSJ eats said apple after I publically posted above warning you are a fool

Wheat is there any chance you may have accidentally poisoned a52 and Schazer with your swap-a-thon?

I didn’t really get any text indication? I don’t know if my mourh is stuck...

Thank you all for your patience. Here’s some reads:

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TOWN
Reyweld (was AgentBlue)
Palamedes: Correctly Sniffed + Snuffed Scum, Confirmed Copper
SinkingSailor: Flipped Town (RIP)
Solaris: Flipped Town (RIP)

LIKELY TOWN
A52: Claimed Watcher (Voyeur? I don't know the difference) and was essentially confirmed by those he watched.

Wheat[u]: The dog gimmick makes for a tedious reread (but was funny when I wasn’t dumpster diving), a very active player that offers a lot of opinions and feels trustworthy.

[u]Schazer: D2 they mainly were concerned about all of their items being flung everywhere, but who wouldn’t be. They claimed to be Solaris’ mason buddy, but with no counterclaim so I’m confident in them. (Here is the claim: https://eagle-time.org/showthread.php?ti...#pid209106 )

MAYBE TOWN
Granolaman: Seem very experienced, proposing possibilities I would have never considered. I honestly don’t have much to comment on, apart from they seem Towny.

Sunspider - I get a positive “scrappy” read from Sunspider (Re: Conflicts with Pala/Wheat), they aren’t afraid to throw down and are open with their posts

Akumu - Their posts are very open with a scattered, almost stream-of-consciousness style, and have a trustworthy feel to them.

Awkwardcarapace - They interact with a lot of people, which makes me feel they are above a neutral/no-read zone. They also recently claimed a item distributor role, which should be quite verifiable.

CONFLICTED / NO READ
Seedy - Miller claim unprovoked? Don't love it. (Claim: https://eagle-time.org/showthread.php?ti...#pid206835 ) I'm pretty confused about how that was blown over so easily, but also wasn't there when it happened. Despite this, they are a very active player.

Mirdini - Meh. I don’t feel strongly either way. A bunch of posts day 2, but I don’t really glean anything from them readwise.

Robust Laser - I have no opinion yet. RE: “i'm mostly quiet because i always second guess myself on actually saying things until i feel confident, and i'm never confident!” - it’s a game! I know, a cliche response, but I’d much rather have a Robust Laser who has fun and doesn’t really know what they’re doing then one too nervous that they’ll mess up. Messing up has no consequences!

Pharmacy - Eh, a bit dodgy. This was a bad response: https://eagle-time.org/showthread.php?ti...#pid207281 . I don’t have strong enough feelings to bump them out of the conflicted zone though, there isn't enough there.

MAYBE SCUM
Nercania-orccelga - Seems like an “Easy Lynch”, they aren’t really doing anything substantial but then again that doesn’t exempt them from scrutiny, their vote on wheat d2 was pretty weak but what’s worse is that they didn’t do anything else?

Cat - They don’t offer a lot in their posts, making several single sentence stances without support. Highlights: ( https://eagle-time.org/showthread.php?ti...#pid207417 ), ( https://eagle-time.org/showthread.php?ti...#pid207470 ), ( https://eagle-time.org/showthread.php?ti...#pid207532 ), ( https://eagle-time.org/showthread.php?ti...#pid207386 ). They never justify any of their opinions, even quoting a call-out post for this and replying with a “lol nope” sentiment. When they say “can we move on” about a discussion they barely touched, it makes me feel not great about them. I think that they’re more likely 3P than Scum though.

LIKELY SCUM
Robottobt - Same as N-o re: I’m suspicious of the cop claim, saying Wheat and a52 (redirect?) are aligned together, that seems like an easy role to claim for being a scum and we /already/ have a Palamedes cop I’m way more inclined to believe and trust. It would be pretty busted for us to have two cops. Whenever they vote it seems really trivial (they voted on Pharmacy D2 and then unvoted in their very next post, remaining abstaining for the rest of the day: https://eagle-time.org/showthread.php?ti...#pid207337 , https://eagle-time.org/showthread.php?ti...#pid207368 ) While Robottobt is throwing out a noob vibe, I think even just playing tabletop mafia games like Werewolf would make them aware that outing themselves as a powerful role (without prompt or any substantial information) is a huge risk for town. This post ( https://eagle-time.org/showthread.php?ti...#pid207388 ) seems like an attempt to get a free pass at doing nothing until late game? I mean: “I have a tendency to be very indecisive so I don’t think I’ll really come up with a good idea of who’s who. At least in this game day. But maybe in a little while I can provide some useful info.” ((Here is the claim post: https://eagle-time.org/showthread.php?ti...#pid209067 )

CSJ - Their behavior at end of D2 is for sure a scum move, that kind of behaviour is unhelpful and a bit too obvious to point towards being a Jester, especially since it was completely different from their previous posts (why would a jester pending lynching do anything to try to prevent that?).

SCUM
Coldblooded: Flipped Scum (Death to the Algae!)

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And here’s a vote: CSJ.

Also my cookie was stolen, which happened immediately after I found it in my present N2.

From what I can tell acquiring items from presents activates them as if someone gave it to you but I'm not certain whether or not that would consume a consumable item.

If it doesn't then that means you probably snagged a52's poison after he opened it, gave it to schazer who is now securing it in RL's apple.

In a strange bout of coincidence you also seem to have targeted the two people who claimed to have antidote so it's probably important to figure out where those ended up.

Also notable: everyone on your list claimed to have already opened their presents so how you ended up with two is extra curious

If it doesn't then that means you probably snagged a52's poison after he opened it, gave it to schazer who is now securing it in RL's apple.

I only opened it after the end of the night phase, so that's probably not it (unless somehow Wheat can do things during the day).

do you still have your poison? you oughta be able to check if you consumed it or not.

I claimed miller "unprovoked" because as a fairly active player I stand a decent chance of being checked. rather than having someone claim because they got a guilty on me, it's better to just say beforehand that I will check as guilty. personally I think if you're someone that isn't easily mislynchable it's overall better to just claim when you're a miller. people mostly haven't brought it up because I haven't been terrifically scummy yet, if I eventually do so rest assured it will become a Big Deal.

also Pala didn't claim cop but cop item (one-use), robot I believe also claimed a one-use but of a subtly different nature (comparing the alignments of two different players). if robot wanted to be a lil more verifiable they could drop the name of the item they used ^_^ and we could check
in addition: mixmasons exist, so schazer isn't totally clear (but again, is presumably dying soon so it's a bit moot)
and: don't rely too much on roles being verifiable! not all scum roles are Big Evil Which Kills Real Good. there can be scum doctors and even scum cops depending on what else is going on in the game.

overall I feel pretty good about reyweld's post
although I think that's 5 votes on CSJ, soft is 4 and hard is 9, we could slap on one more if we wanted but yeah vOv It's All Good
@CSJ want to claim anymore vague ominous roles that will make us too scared to lynch you? want to explain the poisoning comments?

nercania you should probably talk more if you don't want to mysteriously die the second anyone's able to mysteriously kill you

because I don't want to give out a lot of role info?

Follow up question, if you really wanted to keep that bit of info secret why did you immediately fold within minutes of me asking about it?

Reyweld seedy is right, I one shot copped, but Robo didn't outright say it one way or another so yeah confirmation would be nice now that the cat is out of the bag anyways (also Robo I don't trust you so reasons for your targets as well as the object name please if that's the case would be great).

Personally ac I want to know who you targeted, if there's two redirectors kicking around it'd probably be better to know more details.

Vote: CSJ

Oh jeez, I missed quite a bit.

Palamedes question:
Palamedes asked a couple pages back why I chose who I did. CSJ and wheat seemed to have the most shenanigans going on. [not especially mafia shenanigans] though I probably could’ve made better use of my action. CSJ was/is basically confirmed third party. CSJ doesn’t seem to concerned with dying. I would think that they would probably be more concerned if they were mafia. But I’m pretty sure all this is common knowledge now.

Seedys question:
The action I did last night was not actually an items doing! It’s just my skill/role.