Nostalgfia - GAME OVER SCUM WIN

So wait a52 you're saying that you know when your result has been altered (aka target busdriven)?

I'm okay lynching everyone on that list (except for Wheat and myself).

I got a cookie and some glass lens in return for my antidote. Sleuthing provided me with the information that both CSJ and wheat are of the same allingment.

Sleuthing provided me with the information that both CSJ and wheat are of the same allingment.

a52's post suggests that this actually means a52 and what are of the same alignment, unless there's some *really* weird redirection going on. Which tracks for me, I have wheat and a52 down as townish right now. Could also see 3P!Wheat and 3P!CSJ, though.

Hi all, it's Dini, I'm hotly debating possible lynches with myself and will check back in when some item-procedural questions get resolved in my QT.

Votes:

Nercania: (1) (Wheat)
CSJ: (1) (Seedy)

Absaining: (15): (Schazer, Akumu, Sunspider, Robust Laser, Reyweld, nercania-orccelga, Robottobt, CSJ, Mirdini, awkwardcarapace, a52, Granolaman, Palamedes, Pharmacy, Cat)

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch and 4 to soft lynch.

Countdown to Day End

I’m also a little bit sad that my bone didn’t get passed on but w/e

*double take barks at this, is aC saying they had a bone and gave a bone away?

Ahhhh no I didn't have a bone in my starting inventory sorry that was just a joke ^^; should've clarified

wanted me to shoot myself

*borfs at this casually-introduced claim of an important power role*

Ahahahahahahahah yes bye vote: CSJ

I think now that my role is already out in the open, I'm just going to be a complete infodump, since it can only really help the innocents.

I watched CSJ last night, but was redirected to myself, and was visited by a whole five (!) people:

Wheat
n-c
ac
Palamedes
robottobt

Also received a fuckmillion items but I'm not gonna reveal what those are.

Okay this is pretty interesting, since I didn't actually visit a52 or CSJ yesterday, so the fact that somehow I ended up visitng a52 might mean there's an entirely different misdirection circuit going on last night.

there is a sparkle of apprehension in the dog's eyes, considering the ease with which granolaman trusts all three of "seedy, pharms and/or dini" and the spuriousness of the accusation of "setting up a handful of potential mislynches" despite never actually voting for or even recommending to vote for any of the four mentioned.

Seedy's been pretty much on the same wavelength as me all game. Pharms appears to be CB's chosen mislynch for yesterday and Dini came out against it early. That's why those three get my town badges. Meanwhile your little essay has all three of them and myself on a scumteam with n-o.

*dog carries a cumbersome dot-matrix printer out to the lynching grounds. it is not plugged in, yet out of it prints a missive, titled IF NERCANIA-ORCCELGA DID IT*

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if nercania-orrcelga did it
by d.o.g. simpson
(subtitl: thigs wed lern if nercnania-orccelga flips mafia after we vot for them ded!, and what we learn if we dont)

if flip scum, as vots are now

1. Schazer: lean scum for force csj
2. Wheat: v likely town
3. Akumu: v likely town
4. Sunspider - no info
5. Robust Laser - no info, maybe slightly scum for csj
6. AgentBlue - no info
8. Robottobt - no info
9. CSJ- v likely not mafia
10. Mirdini - almos defintely scum
11. Coldblooded v likely town
13. awkwardcarapace - lean scum for force csj
14. a52 - no info
15. Granolaman - likely scum, esp if seedy is
16. seedy - likely scum, esp if granola is
17. Palamedes - w/e, probably lyncher for sunspider or vice versa
18. Pharmacy - likely scum, since was leeding vote befor
19. Solaris- lean scum for weird d1 interaction of n-o joke voting for them then joining them on a bandwagon
20. Cat - opposite of pharmacy

if flip town:
1. Schazer- lean town
2. Wheat- likely scum/anti-town (even tho dog is not but dog must put how it'd look), almost certainly if csj flips scum and n-o flip town
3. Akumu- likely scum/anti-town
4. Sunspider - no info
5. Robust Laser - no info
6. AgentBlue - no info
8. Robottobt - no info
9. CSJ- no info
10. Mirdini- neutral to lean town
11. Coldblooded- likely scum/anti-town (has followed on wheat votes/opinions twice)
13. awkwardcarapace - lean town
14. a52- no info
15. Granolaman - neutral
16. seedy - null
17. Palamedes - still w/e
18. Pharmacy - lean town
19. Solaris - lean town
20. Cat - opposite pharmacy

obvysoly obvislly obviosly this only if csj is not lynch first. if csj is lnch first then this be if they turnip town or 3 party.

if csj tunrip scum then probably all but one o the people who partipate in good scum lynch (let's just put one 'throw under bus' for town cred) guys there are likely town, regerdless of the lists abofe.

other notes:
seedy claimed miler
mirdini alejedly got item called combnator which wood be helpful to scum team. or if not, is a way of going 'hey town give us yore stuf', plus insists on on minmising impact of trying to direct night hit onto n-o with a 2-way or 1-way bus driver in play by saying 'wel cod b town bus drivr'

So yeah I would call that setting up potential mislynches.

CSJ did you give Schazer poison or did you see that she had it in her inventory? This is a very important distinction.

But I guess my whole argument falls apart due to driver alignment. My first read was that the driver tried to direct a scumkill from a52 to csj, but it's equally-if-not-moreso likely that the driver tried to direct a vigkill from csj to a52.

hrmmm.

At this point I'm very curious to learn who solaris' mason was.

Votes:

Nercania: (1) (Wheat)
CSJ: (2) (Seedy, AwkwardCarapace)

Absaining: (14): (Schazer, Akumu, Sunspider, Robust Laser, Reyweld, nercania-orccelga, Robottobt, CSJ, Mirdini, a52, Granolaman, Palamedes, Pharmacy, Cat)

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch and 4 to soft lynch.

Countdown to Day End

Poisoned, acquired poison, and am Solaris' mason

Speaking of poison, I should not have opened that present.

are a52 and schaz both dying in two days, christ

also wheat I'm assuming CSJ either is saying he has a gun item or is just bluffing, why would you believe anything he says at this point.

re: how I know about dying in two days it was as easy as checking the database for 'poison'

in any case I don't think there's much of a way around a Vote: CSJ especially if there's a driver messing with him which means no-one gets to shoot him. As much as the possibility that he's a jester is still haunting me.

ok I no longer know what the heck happened last night...I kind of want the other people on the list to confirm/deny they targeted one of CSJ/a52. no need to state your intended target (although it might be interesting if they matched up)

Sol is kind of an odd kill choice, makes me wonder if schaz is evil or if mafia has an inforole (or if Something Else happened)

I’m still slightly worried about 2 scumteams but I only have weak reasons/paranoia from past games to consider this. also the flavor so far doesn’t seem like it’ll have that kind of distinction. but we should remember to compare maf flips for irregularities all the same

we should probably get to scumhunting instead of theorizing but it’s so tempting to try and untangle the gordian knot (also backreading is hard and I’m lazy)

...myeh, I guess I might as well mention what happened to me last night. I was trying to give a pog++ to Mirdini as a white elephant present. but I couldn’t! so I think I was blocked. somewhat concerning given the scum blocker died! of course, many things could have happened. but that’s what I know

*Granola farts viciously in wheats direction in such a way that could only be interpreted as "that list definitely did not include the modifier that csj turned up nonscum first the potential scumreads were based on so little info to the point that I could only read it as trying to set up a paper trail to push later mislynches while appearing consistent. However this is all moot because it is highly likely that the driver is scum and due to the events of n1 you and the driver are not knowingly coaligned.*

*The immediate vicinity quickly becomes a biohazard zone and everyone awkwardly shuffles a few meters away from the floating cloud of vile gasses*

Also there exists at least one roleblocking item out there. Can you tell if you were hit by a Bomb seedy?

obvysoly obvislly obviosly this only if csj is not lynch first.

I think CSJ was talking about killing himself because he gives out the poison he himself brought up, so I'm okay with that kill.

aC, Robo, why did you target the person/people you targeted?

An anti-poison exists but unless we lunch the busdriver today then my chances of being targeted with that successfully are lmao

no, I wasn't told anything, I only know that I still have a Pog++ in my inventory. I suppose someone could have visited me and dropped a second one off? but I think it was just a block. the mods are being a little cagey with the mechanical questions they're willing to answer for me though...but I guess you are correct that with all the items floating around a one-off block is fairly likely. I don't have a bomb in my inventory though. also with the wording of bomb it sounds like it will block "your night action" rather than ALL night actions so I dunno if pog-giving would be affected but maybe the mods could clarify? in my qt if necessary.

also thanks wheat I totally forgot SS's role lol
although I don't really understand what you mean by watch results being "chained?"

I wish more people would chime in, I feel like some of them haven't noticed the day started...

when wheat got redirected or driven n1, I think it was off of you (granola) onto Schazer, right? what do you think that means for you and Schazer's alignments? (if it's a redirector that's one thing, if it's a driver that's another...of course, there might be both kinds of role flying around)

uhhh reads
palatown unless 2 mafia game
dini townfeel
granola...I don't like the focusing on wheat but sometimes when you feel #attacked it's hard not to tunnel right back. he started voting CSJ When No One Else Would and kept it up even when everyone was acting pretty uninterested. even if you're gonna WIFOM with "but turbobus to look town" it feels like that would be an odd...time and way to do it. especially if CSJ really is a scum poisoner! (also I feel a little #buddied which always makes me feel iffy but sometimes you are just simpatico I suppose)

a52 town most likely...there's a .1 chance that the scumteam just totally lost control of them and has to live with that (I'm paranoid ok) NVM I FORGOT THEY CLAIMED POISONED
schazer ................hmm. honestly has just been confusing so far ALSO GOT POISONED SO WE'LL SEE SOON I GUESS
wheat 3p lyncher vibes :p (but I guess we'll know more when a52 flips???)

awkwardcarapace scummy vibes
nercania-orccelga...scum but I want to lynch someone who's made more than 5 posts aka CSJ

less strong feelings about everyone else. Akumu and Cat slight town, Sunspider and Reyweld slight scum. OH and town-leaning on Robot I suppose. I want to see more from Robust Laser.

hey who got the antidote Robot mentioned. give it....to someone...who needs it

nothing really happened on my night?

I managed to get mirdini the toilet paper roll. Huzzah.

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Well shit, I just remembered what a miller role is. My initial thought is that that role is too broken and that RobotNerd wouldn't have put it in the game, but I'll ask in my QT anyway just to make sure.

*needless paranoia that there are 2 scumteams and they have investigative roles on each side to help with that intensifies*

anyways here's something interesting (it's up to us to make it useful)

Okay Coldblooded, walk me through this. You just doubled down on all your half-baked suspicions on me, correct? AND YET, you changed your vote away from me with no reason, in exchange for a new bandwagon on someone who hasn't defended themselves, the moment people start to suspiciously side-eye you.

Short answer is that I think Wheat's wagon has scum on it, most likely somewhere on the later end of it. (So between you and NO basically.) Also I have a better town read on Wheat than on either Pala or Pharms, and I'm honestly kind of interested in seeing how a Sunspider/NO counterwagon situation would play out but it doesn't look like that's going to happen today so :(

(sunspider then proceeds to vote coldblooded)

kind of a weird series of interactions in a world where ALL of them are scum? especially CB talking about counterwagons.


I'm pretty sure a52 is just a watcher, I'm...unsure about the chaining thing given that it seems spotty who shows up? Schazer didn't show up on their watchlist and you visited them, and you've mentioned visiting a couple other people last night that weren't there. we don't know whom n-o and Pala were attempting to visit, but we do know that robot had been going for CSJ and visited a52, a52 had been going for CSJ and confirmed visited themself, and awkwardcarapace had been going for neither CSJ nor a52 but visited a52. I would sort of like a confirm/deny from Pala and n-o that they were trying to visit one of that pair, just for........fun

Poisoned, acquired poison, and am Solaris' mason

Vouch.

I don't think the driver is scum, assuming there even is one, could be an item. Plus, someone stole form me so SOMEONE did manage to use their role/object on me last night.

Only people that would know if there's a scumbus are scum themselves.

He isn't just a mason btw. If he wants to keep that bit private, that's cool.