Tropefia - A PYP - N5: Downed Guy (11/24) (need replacement)

Reads 2create, PW, cali as scummy. votes 2create
Reads the catwagon. Townreads: mirdini+pala. Scumreads: cali+2create. Suspicious of tehpilot as well.
More of the same. Rejects credit's advances, probably because he's heartless cold-blooded scum.
Supahkiven says they lik red's posts and find him towny.
Red responds to gnauga quite brusquely i might say. also asks town sages scoffles and mirdini to weigh in.
Red reads Kiven as neutral, gives a conditional on scoffles. finds gnauga and cali weird.
Votes myw again. Hwelp.
Pala in uncomfortable with Red jumping around.
Affirms support for a PW lynch. Reads myw scummy, FOS's gnauga
Pala questions red's myw scumread
Pala takes back red townread
Red elaborates on scumreads: scumread myw, gnauga on vibes, PW for reasons. Light scumread on cali. Biggest scumread on myw.
suspects scumlaw
hates claiming
townreads cyber, dini, pala, guy, konec. ambiguous reads scofflaw.
cali's readwall reads red as town; doubts red is scum doing a good job at pretending to be town.
Red berates myw for claim shenanigans. also votes scoffles on scumlaw.
Red gives actually a great breakdown of his reads color-coded even that I didn't notice at the time because he spoilered it and all.
Willing to see gnauga dead too
Red finds felixwagon sheepy, in concordance with mirdini
Also: dini claims they were roleblocked D1, presumably by red now that we know? If that's the case, dini's pretty cleared.
Red comes up with some more alternatives to how the mafia kill disappeared.
Paranoid points out a flaw in red's logic
Viata finds red incomprehensible and slightly scummy
Red is also okay with lynching youdon't and kiven
Red posts a lot of things. Most of it is about myw.
Red hops off myw
Believes one of Mirdini, scoffles, konec/paranoid, or pala is scum. Also finds yd12k scummy for capslock with little reasoning.
BRUSQUE. :'[


And then he died and here we are.
Obviously not all of these things are equally important. My thoughts probably sometime tomorrow.

so on my list of lurkers I want to drag out into the open and bludgeon into a fine red mist is SupahKiven since he mostly hung back despite demonstrating he was around during the entire yd12k or myw clusterfuck and didn't really add much to the discussion.

I can get behind Vote: supahkiven for a variety of reasons that para has mostly covered already

more from dini

EVENTUALLY

I am now more willing to believe Mirdini's town, unless someone comes forward with evidence of a town roleblocker. But I'm confused now too; red's interactions with myw don't make sense if myw is scum. I'm sure he's capable of hyperbussing, but he was pretty much leading that charge. Does this game really have this many protection-type roles? In any event myw's clear for now.

In before there's some kind of pseudojanitor that fakes flip or some crap.

I can get behind Vote: supahkiven because I have no idea what's happening. Gnauga has been very helpful though. Although he could be saying 'everyone died of butts last night' and I'd believe him probably.

did yuo kno
butts are rseponsible for 60% of all troepfia deths?

I don't know about a kiven-lynch. I'd look more towards Red's townreads, mostly because all of his scumreads so far have been town. Which was probably his early-game strategy, actually. Scumread almost everybody, so nobody would really notice the people who he didn't find scummy. Red's #671 is a decent handguide, but it's also worthwhile to read through his other stuff to see what he actually pushed for. Such as the kivenlynch, and every other lynch here.

FYI, the #ff000000 is red709 making a bbcode mistake. It's supposed to be SCUM RED

gnauga, he mostly payed lip service to lynching kiven. The only person who *was* pushing it he was busy attacking instead. When I started calling him on his shit, and others started turning on him he did not go after kiven, who would have been an almost uncontested lynched but went for yd12k who was around and who could fight back. (even if he did so very, very poorly.)

SpoilerShow

Yeah, why are we lynching Red? I'm going to agree with Scoffles here and Vote: Purple Walrus cause that vote looked bad.

Hmm... I think the ones lookin most suspicious right now are Purple Walrus and Calibornio, but I can see how 2create is playing it safe.

Also would like to hear from konec0, because he came in during the half-RVS thing but didn't really say anything.

(And I am awful at changing votes apparently. Unvote, Vote: Purple Walrus)

Bwuh. Sorry guys. I got hit with a ton of family and school stuff. I'll try to get in a few posts tomorrow, at least one. After a quick skim...

I'm still sticking with my vote on Purple Walrus until we hear from him again, would accept a lynch on 2create I guess, in that mini Leafsw0rd vs. Credit thing: leaning towards both town, would rather not have a policy lynch but eh.

So after a quick read through, I'm not really liking 2create. It sounds like he's making excuses. I don't really have much else to say that hasn't already been said.

Hello everybody I am hear, am reading thread will have post in a little bit

First things first I totally meant here not hear

Second things second, @Mirdini: thoughts on other people
I like Red and MrGuy. Red, because I guess I like his opinions and he posts a lot which helps reinforce his opinions which I like? I dunno, but he seems town which is pretty cool.

Guy I like because I think #416 and #444 were good posts yay.

People of note I would like to hear from: Caliborno and Gnauga. Cali because he was under some pressure for his vote on the CatWagon and although we did hear from him today, it was just sort of a 'here's why I shouldn't die' and a light jab at a lurker. Gnauga because #406 was a pretty good post but he just kind of disappeared?
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Third of note is a defense I guess.

And with little to no activity. 4 posts. That's it.
Aaaannd now here we are, with no sign of Kiven. Kiven = Scum

I think this may be just a tad unfair. Sure, I'll admit I was tunneling Mr. Walrus a bit too much (if there's even a lower limit to tunneling) and that I haven't been the most active person in the game, but using me not posting as of now as a reason to push me into scum territory is a bit much I think. If I was just kind of hanging around in the thread not doing anything, fair game. But I haven't. I've had quite a few things to do today. I guess... I dunno.

Uh... I think that's all I got for now. I might go back and do another read through and make another post if need be, but I think I got everything of note?

Also, Kiven, why were you specifically asking Mirdini about his opinions on other people?

Maybe I could have worded that better. The opinions on other people was me restating what he had asked me, ie what were my opinions on some other people.

anyway hey Kiven okay you gave me 4 reads I guess that's decent? Would like to know why you're comfortable with the 2create wagon when you're not comfortable with the guy that started said wagon today though (Gnauga)?

I'm not uh... not comfortable with Gnauga. I just want to hear more of him. I liked that one post he made this game day, but he just kind of poofed away.

I agree that myw doesn't look bad. The way I'm seeing it, it's less rolefishing and more attempting to justify a lynch. I'm okay with Viata I think.

Sorry, I just uh... kind of don't know what to say.

I would be alright with a Walrus or Calibornio lynch (since those were like two out of the three people I harped on during day one).

Okay, so uh... I thought I liked myw yesterday but now I'm not sure, mainly because he claim looks kind of weird. I think it's more a lot of confusing stuff getting thrown around because myw and yd12k are at each others throats. If I had to lean towards a town/scum thing, I'd say yd12k would be more scum and myw more town.

Calibornio is sounding okay today? Like, he's doing things and talking and that's cool. Also FelixSparks is a thing that I don't feel to great about.

Scoffles has an apple. Would like to hear more about it maybe?

EBWOP: Other stuff happened that I didn't notice because I forgot to refresh whoops, but not much has changed except yd12k vote and Calibornio post. I suppose that's a thing and I kind of don't like it. Mirdini said that though so okay.

A vote. I think I'll Vote: FelixSparks because although I'd rather not due to him saying he'd give us some post later, what he's said is just the least helpful. He could have at least given us his thoughts on day 2 or something.

I'm not really sure what there is for me to explain? I was curious about the apple? I suppose I agree with the lynch, but I'm not sure I want to hammer. (going on the assumption that Granolaman's votals are correct)

Also I don't really have an excuse for being gone except for finals and lawn mowing.

here be all of kivens relevant posts.. Encapsulated within is him mostly avoiding providing any real substance or trying to generate content, mostly via tossing out short pointless posts that don't really give you much idea of why the people he says he 'doesn't like' are scummy at all. He managed to avoid voting all of day 2 despite saying he didn't like 2create or Purple Walrus, and day 3 he tossed a vote on felix and completely skipped the entire myw/yd12k fiasco.

He's not behaving in a particularly townie manner. He's shown no interest in actually hunting for mafia as much as he seems like he'd prefer not being in the limelight. That's why I want to lynch him.

Would it help if I said I'm a 3p.

Wow, I'm glad Red turned out to be scum.

Anyway, I dunno, I'm not really feeling kiven. He's not posting much, but what he does post is more or less just common opinion. He also defended me for no really good reason, which I don't think makes too much scum sense.

Now, I'm a little confused since last night there was no vampire flavor. I wanna say I was wrong and that there's just a normal vigilante, but that thing Scoffles said a while ago about the vampire and the apple is really bugging me.


Right now, I have the largest doubts about Mirdini. It's not really his behavior that seems off, it's that every single move he made, Red seemed to follow. Gnauga, are you seeing it?

Would it help if I said I'm a 3p.

...I guess Kiven, but that just tells us that you need to die eventually.

Fair enough.

Hi, I'm back. Anyway, not too sure about Kiven. Even if he is 3rd Party, I don't think he killed Red, it's more likely he's trying to look town because a 3P/Vig/Something else just managed to kill scum.

Would it help if I said I'm a 3p.

not a huge amount since as far as we know the second killer is also anti-town, and even if they're a vigilante you could conceivably be otherwise a liability or unhelpful so

Now, I'm a little confused since last night there was no vampire flavor. I wanna say I was wrong and that there's just a normal vigilante, but that thing Scoffles said a while ago about the vampire and the apple is really bugging me.

The apple has nothing to do with the vampire, if there even is one.

Anyway, not too sure about Kiven. Even if he is 3rd Party, I don't think he killed Red, it's more likely he's trying to look town because a 3P/Vig/Something else just managed to kill scum.

I never claimed to be the killer. And why would I want to look town if I'm claiming 3p?

Presumably "look town" in this context means "look mostly harmless 3p"

Though it is still somewhat dubious logic and honestly, Red being scum hardly means cal-

...hang on, looking over Gnauga's post collection (thanks bro), it looks like Red handled Calibornio pretty lightly, and that combined with the post wherein he says "well I guess Red could be mafia trying to be town, quite likely in fact, but I don't think they are so I won't vote for them yet" reads a lot like covering one's bases to me

Tentative Vote: Calibornio

I said the thing about Red maybe being scum being town because I'm usually hesitant to trust leaders who post a lot because they're hard to read, which is why I said something similar for Mirdini except I was more confident with that guess for him because I've played with him before. Kiven hasn't really posted anything super suspicious imo before, but that 3P reveal doesn't look very good. Can you give us more info so we know you're not anti-town? Anyway, Deadline Vote: Kiven.

hey Kiven if you've claimed a third party there is no reason for you not to fully claim yer role to us

I mean, unless you want to get lynched or something.

Honestly sorta want FelixSparks to chime in and claim so I can be sure he isn't lying about having my role.

Scoffles is still missing but hey I'm one to talk with regards to the RL busy-ness department (though he's been awol for longer so hmm)

other slots that could be scum include Mathgirl, TehPilot, calib...

well pretty much anyone that isn't myw/Para/myself/probablyGnauga/maybeViata?

Yeah, I guess. I'm a 3p Inventor. The apple's mine and the poison's mine (which won't kill you by the way).

wwwwwwwwwwwhat is your goal then

What's the apple do?

I'm guessing probably bodystacker

which is actually almost a town-sided role at this point what with the one scum dead out of 8 dead people.

wwwwwwwwwwwhat is your goal then

Survive.

What's the apple do?

Oneshot copping. Comes with a little snip of information: Take a look, but you'd think Adam would know his own children.

Oooooohkay.

Then... what the heck was Scoffles talking about way back when he was telling the vampire he had an apple?

I don't know.