Nostalgfia - GAME OVER SCUM WIN

its been far too long for me to remember what mafia ratios are so that makes sense to me

im interested and worried about who's going to die but it sounds like theres various, things, that can complicate things, a lot of juicy targets

Vote: CSJ

im pretty down for this lynch here, tmoz i do want robobot, awkward, and pharms to try to participate more so ill say that like, at least think over for the night about who are people you dont like and who are people you like and why?

-afaik this game doesnt have split lynching mechanics, i dont want our dear robotnerdmod to have to rules about that either

their dodging has been pretty damn annoying as far as info goes because of the attention it's drawn these first two days. Since there was no d1 lynch, there hasn't been any real thinning of joke poster ranks.

what dodging, they have made 4 essentially one-sentence joke posts, 3 of which were on day 1. Unless by dodging you mean lurking, which speaking from experience is not a strong scum tell!

I would very much rather lynch cat than nercania, but my distrust seemingly isn't shared! Can those on Pharmacy restate the case for them over wheat so we can at least take down one of the midnight crew with me in a split lynch?

Mafia gamin' tip: Be the change you want to see in the world! Push the lynch you want rather than the one you think will save your hide/that you can 'manage', because it sure would make me (and I'm guessing others) less suspicious of you than the latter option.

And no, I don't think a split lynch is happening because one of the prime lynch targets wants it :P

(and also because I think it's impossible - hard lynch is an immediate trigger, and soft lynch only triggers if "someone... holds a plurality of votes when day ends naturally").

bark yip

*dog does not point at nercania, but at the people who have applied uneven reasoning for not lynching nercania while lynching others for the same reason they excuse nercania*

I have maybe not been reading closely enough to remember people doing that if they were, but if so please point them out! SEEK, DOG FRIEND!

(So that when someone with a gun gets to nercania if they flip scum we can deffo take a closer look at 'em.)

If you mean the people you were mentioning earlier, though, seedy's vote on Agen (which I guess is the closest thing to what you're trying to point out?) was a day-start lurker-poking one and Pala was recurring his D1 pressure on robottobt and has since swapped to Spoids so... that doesn't seem incredibly 'avoiding nercania while doing the same thing elsewhere' to me?

them picking one lurker to poke over another is... not a particularly amazing scum tell, even if there is a dog trying to lynch one particular lurker. I don't think at any point either of them were going 'hey everyone we should lynch this lurker now' like you have been re: nercania.

By dodging, not literal dodging, but attention. It feels like Wheat pushing to lynch them is putting people off, which admittedly is pretty strange. The sheer lack of focus on Cat really rubs me bad; are there people with info we don't know? Are there clear arguments for why lynching Pharmacy is less scummy than cat? unvote.

Given there are still six people not voting it is conceivable that the entire mafia team are lurking, or most of it at least. If we're giving lurkers a free pass two nights in a row, how can we expect them to come out of the woodwork from d3 onwards?

I feel like I might just be arguing with scum here, but

there are multiple reasons why someone might be lurking, only some of which include 'they're scum and are trying to avoid attention', which is a really bad scum strategy because as you and wheat and many others are making very clear, it isn't actually an effective strategy for avoiding attention.

and we are not 'giving lurkers a pass', or did you miss me blatantly saying 'town with a gun should probably shoot nercania if they don't show up with actual posts before the end of the day' :P

Responding to CSJ aside,

I'm honestly not very into the Pharms lynch, am still waiting on Coldblooded to answer my way earlier questions. a52's vote on Pharms is a holdover from their infodump - a52, do you still wanna lynch Pharms or do you have other avenues you'd rather pursue at this juncture?

I'll Vote: CSJ.

I don't know if I have a good read on them, in that going back and looking at their statements it like, I just don't understand what they're getting at a lot of the time? Like, I don't know if I feel STRONGLY about them being scum, but I do feel like their flip would help contextualize some things, depending on which way it goes, which is good, right?

I feel weirder about them than I do than, like, Pharms at least. I wouldn't be opposed to an n-o lynch, fwiw, but at the moment I think CSJ provides more information REGARDLESS of flip.

Hate to be so late getting back to this. Still steadily going mad RE: work. This is likely to continue.

I really don't like how you're being so pushy for frankly irrelevant details Sunspider, why was it such a big deal to get that info from CSJ?

The scummy flailing that followed the questions wasn't something I expected, but hey, bonus! I was mainly leaning on 'em to snoop for evidence of item fakeclaiming, as both a tiny tell, and as some kind of hard info to work from when assessing their tone, and their actions for honesty vs. manipulation. CSJ claimed an item someone else had (Recipe Book), and so far we've had tons of unique items, so it seemed a little unlikely to me.

I notice you're still tunnel-visioning on me to the point that you're even doubting your own reads, and I want to ask you to check yourself. That said, I'll echo what you said RE: not being a fan of people voting for CSJ with no reason. Same goes for those voting for anyone without reason (especially when they claim other suspicions!), or even those willfully abstaining.

Y'all who are doing that, listen up: we've got to think for ourselves, and have to participate, or we're handing the scum team the power to shape lynch votes. Trust your gut if you have to. Just be sure you're not going with whoever shouts loudest.

Can those on Pharmacy restate the case for them over wheat so we can at least take down one of the midnight crew with me in a split lynch?

Two things. First, manipulative behavior is pretty stinky. To my knowledge there was no indication whatsoever that split-lynching was a mechanic, and it's much more sensible to think that a tied vote would end in a no-lynch like normal. I assume this was a way of hoping to fool folks into tying a vote so they'd no-lynch again, and keep you alive for a night?

Secondly, my vote on Pharmacy was because they "trusted me and found me helpful" yet apologized and tried to kill me Day 1, were waffley with votes today, and abstained from scum-hunting, voting, or having any suspicions as soon as attention was turned their way. Also, Pharms claimed an item someone else had too (Toilet Paper Tube) so while not a scum tell, I do find that a bit suspect too. But you're right in saying they're not the best scum suspect I can see right now.

CSJ, if I've got your case straight:

The entire scum team may be lurking, so we should lynch lurkers before suspicious players. Your main suspicion is Cat for talking a lot about night actions, which you deem "Basically lurking." But also also you would like to convince people to vote for Nercania because Wheat is voting for them, despite offering no reason other than "We need to kill SOMEONE today." Also also also, you've kept caving on your votes as soon as there's any pressure; you seem to want to buddy with folks (myself included) pretty hard, vote for whoever's easiest to kill, and are people-pleasing up a storm with anyone you butt heads with.

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(Sunspider is seated with the remaining years in the middle row of an auction hall, dressed in black garb that speaks more of one attending a funeral. Perhaps appropriate, as two years have died already, with more sure to follow. She looks once at her watch, then to CSJ with confusion and perhaps a twinge of sadness, before raising an auctioneer's paddle with his moniker stamped in it)

SUNSPIDER:
I hope we don't quick-end the day,
But I still have to Vote: CSJ.
Hate to turn on a fan,
But, like... honestly man.
You look scummier with each thing you say.

I think that's six on CSJ, more than enough for soft lynch. No more please.

Sunspider where am I doubting my own reads? And where am I only focusing on you? I mean, if I had tunnel vision on anyone today it was on Robo :S. We also haven't had a ton of unique items, I mean three or four people have claimed antidote so far if I'm remembering correctly.

Unvote 4 time

I'm trying to tally up item claims rn but there's only one antidote claim afaik (Robotbt's).

Hey Akumu, did you start the game with a recipe book?

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Wait no I've got that whole chicanery with the item-swappery right. Learn2read, Schaz.

tmoz i do want robobot, awkward, and pharms to try to participate more so ill say that like, at least think over for the night about who are people you dont like and who are people you like and why?

I will try, but unfortunately timezones are working against me on that front

I DO have a lil sticky note that has my current thoughts on many ppl right now, though, if that's worth anything.

I'm trying to tally up item claims rn but there's only one antidote claim afaik (Robotbt's).

I've also got an antidote from my Present:

As for my night, nothing was taken or given to/from me and my present contained an Antidote.

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lord help me I am this close to being back on my reaction gif bullshit

Unvote 4 time

You might wanna re-vote, 6 is probs safer than 5 bc if we slip below 5 soft-lynch won't happen

and it's not like we're at mylo so scum suddenly bursting into the thread and quick-hammering isn't really a concern, either.

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Vote: CSJ
i almost voted mirdini here which would have been embarrassing!

I think that's six on CSJ, more than enough for soft lynch. No more please.

As seedy Mirdini just said, we'd need 10 votes to end the day, so we're nowhere near losing time. Votes are Extremely Good for reading players after a role flip, and discouraging 'em could discourage discussion and some of Town's best information for scum-hunting. So yeah, I don't like discouraging votes at this point, but if peeps feel the same way and don't vote for safety's sake, please At Least state your intent to do so.

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We also haven't had a ton of unique items, I mean three or four people have claimed antidote so far if I'm remembering correctly.

Feel free to point out where you saw 4 antidotes; I see 2 now, but prior to review I only saw claims of 1 antidote, 1 apple, 1 spring, 1 gun, 1 scope, 1 bone, etc. Second item claims so far are awkwardcarapace claiming Antidote after Robottobot, CSJ claiming Recipe Book after Schazer, and Pharmacy claiming Toilet Paper Tube after I did.

Sunspider where am I doubting my own reads? And where am I only focusing on you? I mean, if I had tunnel vision on anyone today it was on Robo :S.

Let's see, where to start...

I'm torn.

Part of me is wondering if this exchange is a little forced because of specific weird details, and the other part of me feels like it doesn't seem that way? Regardless I really don't like how you're being so pushy for frankly irrelevant details Sunspider, why was it such a big deal to get that info from CSJ?

Literally saying: "This exchange looks forced, but also it doesn't. I don't feel confident you're scum anymore, but but I'm going to keep voting to kill you anyway." Also, feel free to tally up posts mentioning Robo if you like, but just a quick synopsis of your tunneling, which I've entitled "Why do you want me to die so badly, Pal?"

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DAY 1

Jeez sorry/Vote: Sunspider I was busy/forgot for a day or two. Why aren't you voting for apologizers/absentees/dogpilers/actual dogs?

NOTE: Your first post was an OMGUS on me for calling you out on being silent. Your suspicion was based on me not doing something I was literally doing. You corrected yourself later, but kept the vote.

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Also seriously Sunspider seems way too eager to please which while not entirely damning is a hell of a lot better a reason to kill.

I mean the post I first addressed was a bunch of shade without any push towards everything so I threw a vote that way (I'll admit I missed the Wheat vote but I'll get to that later) but after some other people and I questioned him suddenly it's entirely going on the defensive.

Re: the Wheat vote Sunspider, you say you voted as a defense but also you didn't want to lynch him so...? And now here we are, with a couple posts that make me feel like you're going to blame other people for convincing you to go ahead and lynch the dog.

NOTE: You twisted my answer and ignored my stated reasons for my vote. You now decide you're voting me for "something you feel like I'm going to do later on", which is possibly the worst argument I've heard all game. Do you realize that this has no bearing on my actions, and could be used that to justify literally anything?

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Sunspider I'm not saying that anyone argued you into voting Wheat, in case that's not clear, I'm saying that it seems like you were intentionally avoiding jumping on him despite everything you were saying otherwise with a pretty eh reason and then as soon as you had an excuse from someone else you were immediately there, so it wouldn't entirely be your fault when he died. It is also okay to correct yourself! What's getting me is that it feels like your whole thing has been defending yourself and going for the one other person that you had both mentioned and was getting real attention/votes. I dont know if it's a coincidence.

NOTE: You backpeddle from your garbage argument earlier, and push the goalposts to something else. Again, you either misunderstood or ignored my explained reasons for voting, and call me out for answering your questions, and for "defending myself" when I was tied to be lynched. I've said it before and I'll say it again, but guess what; it's pro-town to defend yourself against baseless or bad votes, as well as to prevent your teammates from lynching you.

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I personally would like you to give your opinion on the goings on? Thoughts on the dog, Sunspider, then maybe two or three other active people and maybe who you think looks the best/worst so far.

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DAY 2:

I'm hoping maybe you can weigh in on some of the more divisive people from yesterday (Sunspider, Wheat, anyone else you might have noticed acting strange)

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Proper suspicions would be CSJ, Sunspider, and most of the people who are just piling on more active players' votes without reason

NOTE: I never haven't had a stated reason for a vote, but nice attempt to group me with those people I guess?

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Oh right, and I don't like Sunspider's theorycrafting post on the CSJ/granola scumteam

NOTE: I cited a common scum tactic, and you didn't like that I mentioned it, and again tried to use it to make me look bad.

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Day one I said I wanted to lynch CSJ for the terrible pressure on Robo and some parts of the Sunspider debacle. That's what I was referring to there.

NOTE: What even is "the Sunspider Debacle?" The ever-changing lynch justifications you keep pushing on me?

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Part of me is wondering if this exchange is a little forced because of specific weird details, and the other part of me feels like it doesn't seem that way? Regardless I really don't like how you're being so pushy for frankly irrelevant details Sunspider, why was it such a big deal to get that info from CSJ?

I don't really like votes with nothing stated behind them. I mean I think I straight up said that I felt iffy about the CSJ/Sunspider exchange so I can guess why Schazer voted, but not saying anything means that you can just copy someone else's reason later down the line.

-snip-

All in all it's enough to tip me a little bit more towards a Vote: Sunspider for now

NOTE: I press a question to CSJ, they flail and act suspicious, and you argue against their lynch and vote to lynch me instead.

I forgot there was maybe a one-way redirector, that's fair, though they may not necessarily be scum?

But yeah in that case any prospective murder pals should probably shoot into the genera lurker pile of nercania/agentblue/idk, akumu kinda? Schazer isn't talking much beyond role/item chat, also, which makes me think they're an item-based third party honestly.

And I think CSJ's lynch provides plenty of info, not in the least who actually agreed to lynching him and in what way/what order/based on what reasoning/how did they engage with his actual posts.

If we lynch nercania it'll just be 'hey let's lynch this lurker'

'ok sure'

nercania: *is lynched because as far as I can tell they are not even reading this thread*

I also do not mind getting an ALL ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU third party out of the picture on d2, unless he's a (non-game-ending because this is not a garbage game) jester in which case, well played I guess, and also jesters are basically honorary mafia members anyway since they happily let themselves get mislynched at mylo.

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oh my GOOODDD this is SO WEAK

Agreeing with Wheat that CSJ seems to be third-party. They’re constantly making references to trying to lynch maf/maf suspects:

Given there are still six people not voting it is conceivable that the entire mafia team are lurking, or most of it at least. If we're giving lurkers a free pass two nights in a row, how can we expect them to come out of the woodwork from d3 onwards?

I would very much rather lynch cat than nercania, but my distrust seemingly isn't shared! Can those on Pharmacy restate the case for them over wheat so we can at least take down one of the midnight crew with me in a split lynch?

(with an increasing air of desperation, may I add)

It’s true that lynching a third party doesn’t give us any direct ties or clues to who the rest of the Big Bad Mafia is, but it’s one less threat and i’m happy with that.

Whoops Mirdini beat me to several punches while I was typing that out there

genera lurker pile of nercania/agentblue/idk, akumu kinda?

tmoz i do want robobot, awkward, and pharms to try to participate more

Er, I don't know if it's just me but I don't think we should keep overlooking RobustLaser either? Don't think they have posted an awful lot either