Buzzfia - Party Preparations - Night 7 (10/22 live)

Oh, yeah, actually, if there are still scum out there then Spoids getting eliminated is in their favor.

Let’s go vote: Justice Watch

Your opinions are strange but respectable, and I literally have nothing which with to defend myself other than what I've already said. So I'm gonna go over here and hit this vote: seedy button

Let’s go vote: Justice Watch

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Huh. Dunno what's up with the Mirdini thing. Is it possible that Myeth's Arlene results got borked somehow? I targeted you last night Myeth, with my Protect. That's how I got your role information (and for anyone who missed that: boop). Myeth is confirmed Town, and also confirmed Jim Davis aka The Garfield Cat. Getting that info when targeting Myeth is the benefit of being "Dr. Liz," as Myeth can confirm. Myeth can also at least confirm that my advice-protection didn't do anything bad.

@Dunnergy, if you see this, please confirm whether or not you are a Miller! It's important!

Friendly, Neutral or Suspicious.

Anyway, for your suspicion tabulation Wheat, as much as I want to be belligerent and say "no"...
◦ Thalia (Suspicious): Inadequate suspicion, virtual absence save for until dropping by to cast some doubt around and defend themselves
◦ JusticeWatch (Suspicious): Sitting back and watching the world burn, only to chime in when they have to. I get a bad vibe.
◦ AwkwardCarapace (Neutral): Reecer's dying words after being lynched and Perma-Mayoring AC were "You've made your bed, now lie in it", which freaked me out.
◦ LegendaryQ (Neutral): Seems to be legit scumhunting, but like Wheat is a little too caught up in worrying about 3rd parties instead of scum.
◦ RobustLaser (Neutral): Claimed role seems weak and unlikely to reach a victory, relative to other known 3rd parties. Makes me think there's more to 'em.
◦ Seedy (Friendly): Scumhunting, adequately suspicious, Miller roleclaim checks out, is an all around good friend whose opinions I trust.

Also, BONUS SUSPICIONS FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE:

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◦ Thalia (Suspicious): "Thalia showing up to point out that someone didn't find them suspicious and not anything else looks really bad and you all should kill them. They are just shitposting and trying to lightly deflect suspicion away from them."
◦ AwkwardCarapace (Suspicious): "AC is worth killing later I think, but I wouldn't mind killing them off just in case they're scum because eternal mayor is risky."
◦ LegendaryQ (Suspicious): "Q looks better for being proactive in scum hunting but I'd prefer he be included in the suspicion list for fearmongering about cults still. Everyone needs to just accept that cults aren't a real thing in this game, it really feels like pushing away from scumhunting because 'cults are more dangerous' when we KNOW that Reyweld balanced the game to be fun (read pre-game when it was announced roles were rebalanced to prevent an early game end) so given how everyone in the forums and world as a whole feels about real cults they obviously weren't added outside of just flavour bullshit (aka Garfield, Spezi, and Cursed names added to the roles)."

P.S. "Oh right and tell Wheat that as long as you're alive you'll keep outing my results, and my results are so deeply provable that you making them up would just get you in a trap within a few days. Also tell them about your townfirming thing on Myeth even though they probably won't believe it."

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Anywho, with that said, Vote: Thalia V1.

Also, bid 2 coins each on A, B, and F.

I wonder what will happen while I'm at work.

awkwardcarapace, why do you say

Oh, yeah, actually, if there are still scum out there then Spoids getting eliminated is in their favor.

when two pages ago you had Sunspider listed as overall suspicious?

important: JWatch is now at soft lynch, ac's vote is doubled (I thought it would be tripled and keep on increasing, but I guess I misunderstood. I am now marginally more ok with their continued existence (I'm also glad that someone else agrees with me about this unchecked undemocratic power, even if he is dead)), please take that into account if you choose to vote JWatch
personally I'm not that interested in killling JWatch since it feels like an INSTINCT lynch mostly (although that post about claiming was definitely...odd). I don't really want to kill Thalia, especially after how killing Reecer went...plus I still think thalia's 3p claim has the marks of a real claim and lacks the marks of something coached

@Sunspider for the record, I claimed 3p, not miller
I'm not sure I totally agree that faking Pala's results would trap you so much...it could turn out that way, but there's enough wiggle room that I could see using them successfully as scum...still, so far everyone who's been mathematically deemed to be Not Town has simply claimed 3p or miller rather than crying out against a false accusation . so I can't say I'm currently feeling a huge danger of being bamboozled from that angle. honestly, my main worry would be people trusting sunspider a bit more than they should because of the friendly feelings that some goddamn knowledge in this game creates, rather than the checks specifically being falsified
although I do wonder why she's not been nk'd yet, since according to mirdini mafia can summon more than one shot(?). I'd say people should be suspicious of any guilties (or guilty-ishes) at MYLO, but an equally-obvious tell would be if survivorspider doesn't immediately betray us all and joint with mafia once mylo is reached

awkwardcarapace, why do you say

Oh, yeah, actually, if there are still scum out there then Spoids getting eliminated is in their favor.

when two pages ago you had Sunspider listed as overall suspicious?

It’s not that I think Spoids is any less suspicious now, but Jwatch is more information, but mainly also because did you not say yourself that:

also I don’t, think a lynch would kill her unfortunately

I forget, did Numbers make any claims about their role or anything like that

I'm in the middle of cooking up a day review for everyone's benefit. It may be smelly because it is stupidly large (though smaller than skimming over 100 posts).

Also, no, I've not claimed yet.

ah, you said "eliminated" and not "lynched," so I assumed you meant "killed and actually gone from the game," not just "wasted a lynch on"

@wheat I find it odd that you peg JWatch as a dangerous inventor candidate and not "admitted vending machine restocker lordlyhour" (I don't personally find lordly all that suspicious, but )
also I want ac to be gone because according to Reecer's flip they'll continue to accrue mysterious powers every day as long as they're alive? and I also think it's odd that someone who (if they are Benign) will be able to steal a win from under scum's nose is still alive. OTOH it's odd that sunspider is alive if she's telling the truth, so. there's plenty of oddities
vote: LegendaryQ
(also that point about keeping ac around so lynches can go through is upsettingly salient )

So here's the day recap. This took quite a bit of time to make, please at least skim it so I don't feel like I did nothing useful for an hour. I've got no real time right now to make anything of these, so you guys can skim it and formulate theories and whatnot about the posts and posters.

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Spoilered for everyone's sake of not having to scroll a bunchNear the beginning of the day, Spoids stated that Myeth started as townie at post #899, and also stated what Pala thought from Beyond The Grave, in that 5/7 players weren't townie. They gave this report on the lynches' not town/player ratio:

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Ratios- Day 1 (lynch Wheat, 6/7 Not Town): Robust Laser, Mirdini, Palamedes, amosmyn, Sunspider, Myeth, LegendaryQ
- Day 2 (lynch a52, 7/7 Not Town): amosmyn, Solaris, Mirdini, LegendaryQ, Lordlyhour, ProfessorLizzard, Palamedes
- Day 3 (lynch Reecer, 5/7 Not Town): LegendaryQ, Dunnergy, ProfessorLizzard, Mirdini, Seedy, Robust Laser, Myeth

They then, just 5 posts later, confirm completely that Myeth was town, citing Pala's miller role. Note that this does not confirm that Myeth is town now, due to the fact that we don't currently know if Dunnergy is town or not.

Seedy then states, 10 posts after that, that dunnergy and myeth are Town, claiming that they themselves are 3p. They then say that AC needs to be killed, saying that it's odd how mafia isn't targeting them when they may be Benign or Townie, and that they get more and more power consistently. They also call for people to fight their lynches. They vote to lynch AC.

Wheat makes a small post about Sunspider being truthful or not 2 posts later.

Just a post later, Thalia states she agrees with seedy, citing weirdness and not using their powerful vote before. She votes to lynch AC.

Wheat makes an enormous septuple-post a post later (I can't blame 'em, I also get struck with bouts of thinking to say one thing when I've just said another) starting at #918. This begins with doubting Spoids once more and ends with them screeching at people to turn in their people reviews.

Two posts after the end of the septapost, Seedy states who's claimed what, shown in this spoiler.

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Claimspretty much confirmed town: dunnergy, Myeth (myeth could be a godfather but I can't say I get that vibe)

claimed miller(?)(I don't remember what Q claimed exactly): Mirdini, LegendaryQ

claimed 3p: Robust Laser, Thalia V1, Seedy, Sunspider

no claim: Numbers, Justice Watch, awkwardcarapace, Lordlyhour, [blank space], (NPC) Vending Machine

They then state that Q doesn't look good on the votals.

At #932, LegendaryQ triple posts, their first stating that there may be 3-6 scum members, their second about suspicious and non-suspicious players, marking down Robust Laser, Jwatch, Lordlyhour, and myself as suspicious. Their third post edits their FNS ratings.

Lordlyhour then comes to defend themselves just a post later by stating that they are Benign.

Wheat tripleposts right after that, telling LegendaryQ that blue doesn't mean cult, and then goes onto doubt Spoids yet again. Their second post states that Mirdin burned all their lives on killing non-scum. and goes to say they want myeth to share the thing that is the be-all & end-all on them being townie. They end the tripost by stating that this doesn't mean Mirdini is more not-town than others, rather that they'd be more dangerous if they were.

Seedy then states three posts after that ac will continue to grow in power, and that it's odd they've not been stabbed with a bullet yet.

A post later, Wheat states that AC's more likely to be 3p, citing their posts.

At #956, votals come around:

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VotalsVotals:
awkwardcarapace (2) - Seedy, Thalia V1
Lordlyhour (1) - LegendaryQ

Abstaining (11) - Robust Laser, Mirdini, dunnergy, Numbers, Justice Watch, Myeth, awkwardcarapace (x2), Lordlyhour, Sunspider.

At #968, AC actually, really speaks for the first time in the day, and it is their FNS ratings. They cite a boatload of posts, but it basically comes down to Robust Laser as N, Spoids as S, and LegendaryQ as F. They also confirm 3p two posts later.

At #977, I post, basically asking Lordlyhour if he was the one who gave me coins. He responds with a no.

#984 comes around, with Mirdini stating that they are in very much actual real true endangering danger, being shot not once but twice! What a (un)lucky guy. They think that there are "1-2 traitors, 4-6 town and a boatload of third parties". They agree with Seedy about AC's power, but if they are benign, then lynching them gets us no closer to lynching traitors. They end with saying they'd either lynch Seedy or Jwatch.

Right after this, Myeth reveals that Dr. Liz, I.E. Spoids, may of shot Mirdini.

Votals come around at #989, and what's changed? Absolutely nothing, wow!

Seedy then states at #993 that "we need to lynch someone" and states that they'd be okay with a Q lynch, though they think an AC lynch is still the right move.

After that Mirdini states that their instincts want a seedy lynch, but votes Jwatch.

AC then states they'd go for a Jwatch or Spoids lynch.

AC then votes Jwatch at #1001, stating "if there are still scum out there then Spoids getting eliminated is in their favor.

Jwatch then votes seedy, and states that he has absolutely nothing to defend themselves. They then realize that they've been voted by AC.

Spoids then comes with an FNS rating of 6 people

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Spoids' FNS F: Seedy
N: AC, LegendaryQ, Robust Laser
S: Jwatch, Thalia.

They also have suspicions from Beyond The Grave, stating Thalia, AC, and LegendaryQ are suspicious. They then vote Thalia.

Wheat then does another Spoids doubt.

Seedy then doubts them and states that Jwatch is at softlynch, and that they don't wanna lynch Thalia. They then make a somewhat large textwall about Spoids, not town clains, and wonders why Spoids hasn't been nk'd yet.

Wheat then states that "seedy never claimed miller, only 3p" in response to Spoids F rating of them that cites "Miller roleclaim checks out". Wheat then goes further to say seedy's been more interested discussing 3p wincons, and restating things. They then go on to question Seedy for wanting to lynch the mayor for being able to joint with scum. Then, 2 posts later, they state that it's better idea to not lynch ac right now. A couple posts later, they guess a small mafia, and 2-3 malicious 3ps. They then call Robust Laser and I out for not posting. And that brings us to now, when I post this utterly massive textwall.

Misc thoughts:

• Where is Robust Laser? They've vanished as of late.
  
• I'm content with keeping AC around for another day or two, mostly due to the lynchvote issue, but I feel like the benign 3rd town win clause is a bit of a trap.
  
• I still don't like Lordlyhour. Their claim left me unsatisfied -- the vending machine strikes me as a mechanic a bit too specific and unrelated to the Buzzfia role modifier list to be something people are doing. Additionally, if they were the source of the vending machine, the idea that they aren't the source of the way players interact with the vending machine confuses me. Anyhow, that's a question for another time.
  
• The tiny mafia theory is all but confirmed at this point: ignoring the potential for benign 3rds to keep the game going alongside town, claimed town is Mirdini, Myeth, Dunnergy (more confirmed than claimed), and I. Unclaimed is literally just Numbers. Every other living player in this game is claimed 3rd party.
  
• +1 on Wheat's Dini/Myeth/Sunspider triangle.
  
• It's weird that Justice Watch keeps making semi-claims without much impetus and weirder that they're not really fighting their lynch.
  
• This is probably really obvious and implicit, but the brief moment of "maybe Sunspider's not the worst thing" has passed.
  

(also that point about keeping ac around so lynches can go through is upsettingly salient )

I’m glad I’m doing my civic duty to encourage democracy in all forms possible!
On the other hand votals are super duper split today in contrast to D2 and D3

Huh. It's true that Dr. Liz has visited me, because she learned of my role and shared it to confirm the fact that im town, but I still got Dr. Liz on my list of those who visited Arlene last night.

But the thing is, I was also able to target another employee, and visit mirdini on the same night, so There's a big chance that Dr. Liz could do the same.

Spread Across Toast Like Complimentary Jam Votals:
awkwardcarapace (1) - Thalia V1
Lordlyhour (1) - LegendaryQ
Justice Watch (3) - Mirdini, awkwardcarapace (x2)
Seedy (1) - Justice Watch
Thalia V1 (1) - Sunspider
LegendaryQ (1) - Seedy

Abstaining (6) - Robust Laser, dunnergy, Numbers, Myeth, Lordlyhour, .


Big Money Bids
A. Purple Heart Gummies - 2 coins - Justice Watch
B. Nerf Gun - 2 coins - Justice Watch
C. Purple Heart Gummies - 3 coins - Lordlyhour
E. Chocolate Bar - 1 coin - Sunspider
G. Energy Drink - 2 coins - Justice Watch, Seedy

You cannot make bids with coins you do not have.

With 14 votes present, it takes 4 to soft lynch and 7 to hard lynch. Day ends in ~15 hours (8th November, 2:30 pm EST).

Hey look who's at the door this late at night it's Dunnergy!

@Sunspider I am not a miller, and yes I did double check to see if I had just forgotten about it. And since I've never technically claimed, yes I am town (not just confirmed now). I used to be a purple third party, but with wheat's death I was enlightened to the green party.

I find Numbers, LordlyHour, and Seedy to be pretty suspicious, but since I trust our glorious mayor (for some reason) I'm going to vote Justice Watch.

Hold on, purple party?! I was only aware the blue and yellow 3P parties were in the race. Elaborate??

ooh, I missed that post you made about people’s comments d1. I deeeeefinitely feel better about ac now. also thalia’s comments are definitely odd for someone who claimed 3p later, but otoh as far as I can tell neither Solaris nor pilot’s (nor my) role pm actually USE the words “third party.” Thalia miiiight not have actually known they were one until it was pointed out... not sure if they’ve played in any normal games.
JWatch worrying about “hostile 3ps” early d1 is definitely hmm

man, I can’t believe mirdini managed to shoot town when he could have shot almost anyone else and hit a 3p...

I'm assuming purple is supposed to be something like "no party," as opposed to town, mafia, or 3rd party.

I want to know what these grapes of rage do can i shove them in my face and see if something happens

Oh yeah! And vote Jwatch

It's weird that Justice Watch keeps making semi-claims without much impetus and weirder that they're not really fighting their lynch.

Semi-claim, huh? There is nothing else for me TO claim. I mean, my role is blue, so I thought that meant non-hostile. Especially when considering that I am absolutely ordinary.

I'm bad at these logic games and I just wanna live, my dudes. There are other people who would give more info than me, like that whole myeth/mirdini/sunspider clusterfuck.

Vote: Sunspider

Y'all are wasting your time.

This is probably really obvious and implicit, but the brief moment of "maybe Sunspider's not the worst thing" has passed.

Wow. Rude.

Grapefruit Votals:
awkwardcarapace (1) - Thalia V1
Lordlyhour (1) - LegendaryQ
Justice Watch (5) - Mirdini, awkwardcarapace (x2), Dunnergy, Myeth
Thalia V1 (1) - Sunspider
LegendaryQ (1) - Seedy
Sunspider (1) - Justice Watch

Abstaining (4) - Robust Laser, Numbers, Lordlyhour, .


Straw Sluuuuuuuuuuuuurp Bids
A. Purple Heart Gummies - 2 coins - Justice Watch
B. Nerf Gun - 2 coins - Justice Watch
C. Purple Heart Gummies - 3 coins - Lordlyhour
E. Chocolate Bar - 1 coin - Sunspider
G. Energy Drink - 2 coins - Justice Watch, Seedy

With 14 votes present, it takes 4 to soft lynch and 7 to hard lynch. Day ends in ~5 hours (8th November, 2:30 pm EST).