Nostalgfia - GAME OVER SCUM WIN

Current Votes

Wheat: (1) (Nercania)
Nercania: (2) (Wheat, Akumu)
Pharmacy: (2) (Coldblooded, A52)
CSJ: (7) (Schazer, Awkwardcarapace, Seedy, Mirdini, Robust Laser, Sunspider, Solaris)
Sunspider: (1) (Palamedes)

Abstaining: (6) (AgentBlue, Cat, Pharmacy, Robbobt, Granola, CSJ)

With 19 alive it takes 10 to hardlynch and 4 to softlynch.

Countdown to Day End

then next in order would be low activity townies with a known aptitude for scumhunting. Or if the leadership were all scum, then fire at people familiar with leaderships' usual playstyles.

Shooting a lurker does nothing to diminish town's power outside of lucky PR hits, and doesn't do enough to boost scum's daytime influence. Scum can't spend the whole game in the shadows; someone has to come out and be day active and the less players capable of finding you out the better your chances of winning.

Anyone else not claimed an item yet who wants to do so?

Yeah screw it I'm still feeling very much that CSJ is third party that can provide another target for shooting besides just n-o (though there's something to be said for not outright claiming something). Plus the more I think about it the worse it feels to not lynch someone you know is mafia even if the other option has a very good chance of it.

Vote: Coldblooded

Kind of disappointed that she didn't show up and do some more accidental implicating before dayend with nobody looking at her but I realized I kind of already put myself out there to get silenced tonight vOv.

On that note, rereading tonight I noticed that what she has said today makes me feel better about Pharmacy and also like probably only one of CSJ/Sunspider are scum with her at most, though the other could be third party (looking at you CSJ).

I most certainly wouldn't salt a day's worth of information before a pre-arranged lynch. But then knowing that people would rjink I did, maybe I would lie knowing you would't believe it.

Never trust a mafioso when death is on the line? All this presumptuous speculating is fun. I just want to be around when it all piles up.

2 is a prime number, right?

*laughs numerically*

palamedes did you quote suni by accident or

like, wheatdog, what do you suggest doing about now-actively-trolling-CSJ if we swap to a nercania lynch? lynch him tomorrow, because NKs are so unreliable? It's literally just the ordering you're disputing w/ me rn, and yet according to your chart if nercania flips scum I am somehow 'almost definitely scum'

as I have mentioned in multiple posts, I'm also of the opinion nercania should die at this point! That's not in dispute! I don't see how people are scummy for wanting CSJ rather than nercania dead right now when CSJ is actively pulling the 'lol lynch me I don't care' route of wine party :|

honestly I'm this close to saying we should just swap the lynch bc of your incessant barking, so, good job I guess and whoa whoa wait up

Plus the more I think about it the worse it feels to not lynch someone you know is mafia even if the other option has a very good chance of it.

Vote: Coldblooded

Kind of disappointed that she didn't show up and do some more accidental implicating before dayend with nobody looking at her but I realized I kind of already put myself out there to get silenced tonight vOv.

are you claiming a guilty on CB???

unvote

Wheat the information you're gleaning in that post comes from people wanting to lynch someone who's had Actual Interactions with people and is Actually Scummy over lynching a lurker. Nercania themself's not interacted with anyone besides you so if we were to go purely info lynch the better target would honestly be you.

*barks in a perfectly operatic voice that if csj is third party, they are a threat to mafia too; mafia less likely to busdrive off onto a townie for a two-kill day (though still wouldn't suggest it) plus if n-o flips scum, then we wouldn't have to lynch csj*

in what world would n-o flipping scum clear CSJ, somehow

(also unless a 3P is a serial killer (which the one kill last night suggests not) mafia are generally perfectly happy to team up with them)

Like I realize you said CSJ was 'v likely not scum' if n-o flips scum, but why is it so unlikely that, idk, they're both scum? Or CSJ is 3P, and leaving 3Ps alive is generally worse for town than it is for scum.

statistically speaking even if CSJ was a serial killer he's more likely to hit town than scum if they shoot at random which is something the mafia would also be pretty happy about until the player numbers get significantly lower

Inb4 CSJ-Wheat-nercania scum trifecta mega-gambit.

palamedes did you quote suni by accident or

Nope.

are you claiming a guilty on CB???

Yup.

Vote Coldblooded now, shoot CSJ or n-o in the night, maybe kill the other tomorrow (don't want to lock in the whole day which is one of the other reasons I held onto this).

Also side note - I think CSJ is claiming some sort of ridiculous role that does things when dying on a prime number day, which is silly since mafia games don't exactly go to the point where you start running into a lot of non primes.

I also do see where Wheat is coming from and honestly both are a tossup for me wrt who dies first.

I mean, if Palamedes confirms that that was actually an alignment check claim I'm pretty ok w/ lynching CB anyway since I've had Suspicions on her since d1. Otherwise could theoretically swap to nercania except if CSJ is actually scum and trying to lol his way out of the lynch I would feel reeeeal dumb :P That and as granola has pointed out nercania just hasn't interacted with anyone except you (and even that, barely!). All we have to go on re: nercania is people's opinions on a lurker, which I realize you're convinced mean something bc you've been trying to push that lynch and other people have gone 'yeah but it'd be a lurker lynch on D2 and that's not super helpful' but I really don't think it does :B

Pala's quote makes it seem like the copping was a one-shot item so sanity probably isn't testable

alright all aboard I guess Vote: Coldblooded

I realize wheat is going to start whining (see, because dog) that Pala's cop might not be sane or whatever but a. we already have a miller claim b. the only way to check sanity is to check someone who dies, anyway - two checks means you get a clear or a guilty after you lynch the first check which is slightly better but vOv

Re: busdriving: from all indications whatever action redirection redirected wheat onto themselves was one-way, because cat & pharms & a52 targeted wheat and did not end up targeting someone else (because a52 also saw wheat). So even if the redirector is scum, unless they do something redirect all actions but kills any theoretically extant protective role should be able to save Pala tonight.

If they do do that Pala is kind of super dead, rip.

If the redirector is town and does redirect kills, please do redirect the heck off of Palamedes tonight :v

This isn't intended as a bastard mod game, and an insane cop always seemed kind of ridiculous to me so I think that's safe. Framer is a slightly more likely possibility but I don't think Cold would have been a super likely target for that.

Also, the best and quickest way to determine sanity, especially with someone who's kind of off and has some level of interaction, is to go for a lynch and see what happens.

This is all of course, assuming I'm a cop. I have no night shenanigans I can get up to anymore so with three outed power roles I'm pretty low value as far as protection/watching targets.

uncomfortable with how comfortable awkwardcarapace is with posting suddenly. has a “now that there’s a decided lynch target I’m safe” vibe

Well... posting more is kind of what happens when you're asked to post more

*dog runs into a tree. a cachet of acorns falls down, spelling out the phrase "one less threat for mafia to worry about too"

statistically speaking even if CSJ was a serial killer he's more likely to hit town than scum if they shoot at random which is something the mafia would also be pretty happy about until the player numbers get significantly lower

Yeah It's not that I didn't consider that it wouldn't be a threat to mafia either, but it's more like... better to us? I dunno. We could leave CSJ alone and instead lynch N-O, which is what Wheat seems to be pushing for, but honestly, I'm all for a "why not both?" mentality and lynch N-O D3 provided we don't learn more information about them, or if we don't have any new information from CSJ's lynch (which is likely IF, they are indeed a third partier).

Again though this does just come down to "how do you feel about lurkers" so...

Pala what was the name of the item you used, if it was an item cop?

Edit: Doubt the redirector is town, especially with item party city kicking around.

Also yeah the miller claim and redirector already apparently mucking with unrelated stuff made me feel better about just announcing things like this.

funny idea
mafia busdrives person who complained about how millers make cops' job harder with scum or miller for the lolz
(smarter idea would be to busdrive controversial figure? i wonder who that is)

i think we have enough poeople to lynch coldblooded around but lmao

pala is the item you used in the database

anyway if the busdriver isnt town which is reasonable with a dead roleblocker then one of granola or wheat is probably mafia bc you busdrive mafia and town to protect mafia and incriminate town

which means also that if a52 is telling the truth so would be cat or pharms except that how did a52 watch wheat if wheat was busdriven? that entire scenario is still such af uckin mess

Huh.

Okay, I'm down for switching to vote CB if you've confirmed 'em as Mafia, Palamedes, but I'd REALLY prefer to do that after you share the item you used to check them. Especially if it's a one-shot item, since there's no cost to sharing that info.

So yeah, unless we have multiple redirectors running around it's highly unlikely the check on CB got driven in any way, bc wheat already got redirected off their target.

Pala could also be a jack-of-all-trades role and used a one-shot cop or somethin'? shrug.