Nostalgfia - GAME OVER SCUM WIN

CSJ why are you suddenly making a big defence/attack post against granola based on their case against you now suddenly?

Not against granola, actually, if you read down through the unintended quotewall. Specifically, cat's role in that triple night visit, which remains a mystery.

Oh whoops. I also missed Sunspider's spoiler question so that answers the question as to why you were randomly bringing him up for no reason which is what I was really trying to ask >.<

Also though I'm not a fan of you I have to be honest I'm not super fond of these most recent votes either. Speaking of, AC you made a single joke post about 2016 right at daystart, do you have any opinions on what else has been going on today besides CSJ, such as the whole a52/pharmacy/wheat/cat issue, or really all four of them individually?

if csj flips town I wanna look at carapace

Cat - are you going to explain why you disagree with explanations for you getting caught-up, or make more vague one-sentence posts? Either is cool, but everyone else has offered at least some kind of explanation. If you can't say so due to ~implications~, then fine. But pushing for Pharms, then me, while still abstaining isn't exactly a good look.

Mirdini got a recipe book, I got a recipe book. I don't know where they came from, but that's more or less a logical conclusion to reach based on the meta implications of a game full of items. And the logical implication of how guns normally work. xD

I don't have a recipe book????

where did people get this idea, I literally got an item called the "combinator", not a recipe book

Also though I'm not a fan of you I have to be honest I'm not super fond of these most recent votes either. Speaking of, AC you made a single joke post about 2016 right at daystart, do you have any opinions on what else has been going on today besides CSJ, such as the whole a52/pharmacy/wheat/cat issue, or really all four of them individually?

Hello hello! The whole a52/pharm/wheat/cat phenomenon - honestly that seems like standard mafia-night fare chaos to me, though that information is pretty useful. If indeed pharm & cat are able to “target” people then we might need to keep em in peripheral vision just to see what kind of “targetting” they’re doing.

Don’t have any qualms with wheat (I threw a bone at them D1, which automatically means we’re friends, of course) or a52, but I’m kinda wary of pharm and even warier of cat (and that’s not just because of their most recent post).

Also, Pala, I have a question for you - why aren’t you super fond of these recent votes, despite also not being a fan of CSJ?

I don't really like votes with nothing stated behind them. I mean I think I straight up said that I felt iffy about the CSJ/Sunspider exchange so I can guess why Schazer voted, but not saying anything means that you can just copy someone else's reason later down the line.

As for your vote, it comes down to the fact that you followed the vote so quickly and also hadn't addressed anything else in a pretty busy day.

I mean that said I actually feel pretty decent about Schazer so far and feel worse about CSJ than you currently but it makes sense where Cat went with her comment right now. All in all it's enough to tip me a little bit more towards a Vote: Sunspider for now, but while I'd still like to hear more from Robo and all of the other people who haven't really posted in a long time that I feel off about (nercania-orccelga, AgentBlue, Coldblooded all immediately come to mind) we're through most of the day and I don't want to be scrambling together to get something last minute.

Mirdini got a recipe book, I got a recipe book. I don't know where they came from, but that's more or less a logical conclusion to reach based on the meta implications of a game full of items. And the logical implication of how guns normally work. xD

I don't have a recipe book????

where did people get this idea, I literally got an item called the "combinator", not a recipe book

Ok, I looked over the thread (you and search through posts and I think I'll do that next time I'm double-checking people's words) and it was as mix-up with Schazer's post here. Sorry about that!

As a token of my embarrassment at once again screwing things up (it's a trend!), I'm withdrawing my vote for mirdini (thanks for being more helpful, even if your idea of helping is aiming at me) and voting for nercania-orccelga. I think wheat's on the money with their behaviour. Like cat, their unwillingness to explain their position (something I at least attempt, even if it fails constantly :p) is enough a strike right now with the limited intel we have.

Cat - are you going to explain why you disagree with explanations for you getting caught-up, or make more vague one-sentence posts? Either is cool, but everyone else has offered at least some kind of explanation. If you can't say so due to ~implications~, then fine. But pushing for Pharms, then me, while still abstaining isn't exactly a good look.

naw I'm good but thanks for the advice dude

why does everyone keep trying to kill n-o
I’ve been struggling with the CSJ lynch cuz it feels so obvious/too blatant to be true but...that vote
vote: CSJ

anyways all of the theorizing seems...reasonable so far? redirections are a pain in the ass. the pogs feel like a weird 3p wincon to me. the item database is cool as an idea but...things not being added is frustrating

@sunspider: I'm TIRED in RL.

@schazer: my item was a toilet paper tube. which l'm like 60% sure is useless.

@mirdini: mirdini do you want it. since you got a combiney thing and all. If not, I could use it...to like play fetch with wheat or whatever, it's a fuckin' stick.

2 is a prime number, right?

@pharms: I mean, I'll take any items people want to throw at me and then I can see what combining things does and report back to thread (and presumably have that be confirm-able because of the database).

As a token of my embarrassment at once again screwing things up (it's a trend!), I'm withdrawing my vote for mirdini (thanks for being more helpful, even if your idea of helping is aiming at me)

in what way am I 'aiming at you', I have hardly talked about you except in relation to Palamedes' voting for you

and voting for nercania-orccelga. I think wheat's on the money with their behaviour. Like cat, their unwillingness to explain their position (something I at least attempt, even if it fails constantly :p) is enough a strike right now with the limited intel we have.

yeah, I'm, gonna, Vote: CSJ, because, I really don't like that vote swap

nercania has posted once today, wheat is only 'on the money' insofaras nercania's single post has been an unhelpful post. Unlike Cat, they have not had any 'unwillingness to explain their position' (which in Cat's case is A Thing but considering Events I'm ok with letting sleeping cats lie for now) but have just been lurking

in which case why nercania over, say, Agen, who has also hardly posted

could it be because the votals look like

Dini Is Commandeering The Votals Time, With Actual Formatting Because He's Been Around The Block

CSJ (3) - Schazer, awkwardCarapace, seedy, Mirdini
nercania-orccelga(3) - Wheat, Akumu, CSJ
Pharmacy (3) - Coldblooded, a52, Sunspider
Wheat(1) - nercania-orccelga
a52 (1) - Granolaman
Sunspider (1) - Palamedes

Abstaining (6): Robust Laser, AgentBlue, Cat, Solaris, Pharmacy, robottobt

and nercania has a wagon on them already? FIND OUT MORE AFTER THE BREAK, WHEN MIRDINI WILL TALK ABOUT BEING THE THIRD VOTE ON THE WAGO- *is jerked off stage by a comically sized hook)

I Got A Votal Number Wrong Because I Was Too Busy Double-Checking To Be Sure I Hadn't Missed Any Inside Some Text Walls, Here Are The Really Correct Ones

CSJ (4) - Schazer, awkwardCarapace, seedy, Mirdini
nercania-orccelga (3) - wheat, Akumu, CSJ
Pharmacy (3) - Coldblooded, a52, Sunspider
Wheat(1) - nercania-orccelga
a52 (1) - Granolaman
Sunspider (1) - Palamedes

Abstaining (6): Robust Laser, AgentBlue, Cat, Solaris, Pharmacy, robottobt

additional bonus q: hey granola, still want to lynch a52 or do you have New Opinions now that you've digested The Night News

I Also Forgot My Preferred Formatting

CSJ (4) - Schazer, awkwardCarapace, seedy, Mirdini
nercania-orccelga (3) - wheat, Akumu, CSJ
Pharmacy (3) - Coldblooded, a52, Sunspider
Wheat(1) - nercania-orccelga
a52 (1) - Granolaman
Sunspider (1) - Palamedes

Abstaining (6): Robust Laser, AgentBlue, Cat, Solaris, Pharmacy, robottobt

With 19 players alive it takes 10 votes to lynch, 5 votes to soft lynch.

Day ends in this much time.

See I disagree, I think nercania would be a pretty garbage infolynch, because it's just lynching a lurker, and apart from the objection that it is a bad lynch bc it doesn't give us any info you are not going to get much resistance re: lynching a lurker

my take: have someone (hi granola) shoot nercania with the gun if they don't show up by the end of the day/end of day 3 if you really want to ~give them a chance~

your counterargument: nercania won't show up unless we seriously pressure them with a lynch!

my riposte: that may be fair, but I predict that if we build up a huge wagon on nercania with less than 32 hours left in the day the day will end in their lynch no matter how they respond to that pressure (barring some crazy roleclaim). And if they do respond and the wagon collapses for (probably role-claiming) reasons, it'll be extremely difficult to get a productive lynch through before the end of the day at that point.

the reason all these people have thrown suspicion at nercania/voted for nercania is not because of any big stance, it's just 'they haven't talked much and have just done joke votes', which is a position both town and scum will gladly take (though I'd say actually if someone is voting for it past your first-of-the-day-vote it's slightly more of a scum position).

*past their first-of-the-day vote

Unvote

a52's fine for now and I'm still down for a CSJ lynch, but I kinda don't want day to end until we figure out what's up with these mystery items. I've also got a question or three pending in my QT that might be worth discussing before the day is out depending on the answers.

Yeah I'm not game for ending day early either.

For folks who haven't played much mafia before/have forgotten setup dealies: with 20 players we're looking at prrrobably 4-5 mafia running around, with a third party or two thrown into the mix. Assume a lynch a day and let's say a maybe dangerously underestimated average of 1.5 kills a night (because we know there's guns or similar floating around).

With that and assuming only town die, we have until day 5 at which point we'd probably hit MYLO (mislynch-and-lose) and possibly LYLO (lynch [a mafia player] or lose) depending on if it's 4 or 5 mafia and if there's third parties who might cooperate with the mafia. So that's the clock we're working with with regards to leeway for 'infolynches' and such.

The information above isn't iron law, of course, we could be in some weird setup with a bunch of third parties and a hard-to-kill core mafia, or a cult, or all sorts of other wild stuff, but since this game was advertised as

[quote=Robotnerd- I don't intend for this to be a bastard mod game, but it also isn't the simplest of setups. Thank you.[/quote]

I think assuming a relatively regular distribution of mafia players is probably still the safest assumption since it's sort of the worst-case scenario (not even a really bastard setup will have more than 1/4ish of players be mafia, because that just makes it way too easy for mafia to win).

could it be because the votals look like

As per linked post, I am not comfortable with them (have been distracted by other people a lot), their dodging has been pretty damn annoying as far as info goes because of the attention it's drawn these first two days. Since there was no d1 lynch, there hasn't been any real thinning of joke poster ranks.

I would very much rather lynch cat than nercania, but my distrust seemingly isn't shared! Can those on Pharmacy restate the case for them over wheat so we can at least take down one of the midnight crew with me in a split lynch?