The Wander Island Incident - Night Four - Five For One [13/21]

awkwardCarapace do you have questionmarks on me specifically or question marks on all your scum reads and why am i special if its the former

I've got question marks over all scumreads right now but especially you - consider yours not as an entire "scumread" really but somewhere between Ambiguityland and the sort-of-scums

Your hunch against BlazerC score some points and so does that early Q vote, but also Jacq and Acio (two people I trust a lot) think you should be worthy of a lynch... which, by the way, the reasons to which still are almost wholly unexplained?? Guys could you elaborate

Also, the late Rey has a good point when they say this:

Not loving how Solaris just went LegendaryQ > BlazerC > LegendaryQ again, but the Day is also ending in less than 2 minutes

And your posts being a little on the sparse side don't help either. So until further notice you are "scum, probablymaybe??? i dunno"

why do i specifically get to be probably maybe when you're fine marking numbers and airey and slorange as scum without caveats?

Hey AC, why do you have a scum read on Numbers, and why didn't you vote for them at the end of the day yesterday?

Also why are you singling out Justice Watch's survival as suspect and not say, Slorange or anyone else?

Why are you singling out Blazer's nonmention of Slorange and not say, TehPilot or anyone else?

The first draft of that post actually had a few people listed on it, but I decided I didn't actually want to read a long list of "Well Pilot cast one vote and NTA made a single non-joke post so it's actually totally different."

The reason I wanted Blazer to answer this was because you could point at multiple different players if you wanted an example of low/no info scumkills, and singling out Justice Watch out of all of them gave me kinda a "scum trying to tee up an easy mislynch" vibe.

Votals

awkwardcarapace - 1 (BlazerC)

Abstaining - 17 (Solaris, Jacquerel, Numbers, Coldblooded, Schazer, seedy, TehPilot, Palamedes, Granolaman, Acionyx, awkwardcarapace, Airey, Sai, Robust Laser, Justice Watch, Not The Author, SleepingOrange)

With 18 players alive it takes 10 votes to hard lynch, and 6 votes to soft lynch. Day ends in 110 hours, at 10am CET on Thursday, August 23rd.

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why do i specifically get to be probably maybe when you're fine marking numbers and airey and slorange as scum without caveats?

I guess it's because in my eyes you have some things going for you (Q vote, against BlazerC) but also stuff against you (Jacq+Acio, vote flipping, sparse posts) which kind of cancel out to leave a general "ehhh" feeling?? Lack of information about the other "scummish" candidates scares me more tbh (with the exception of Numbers).

Hey AC, why do you have a scum read on Numbers, and why didn't you vote for them at the end of the day yesterday?

Numbers, I think, just has a general suss vibe about them. Firstly, they seem to heavily heavily emphasize voting lurkers out - as they do with NTA and Sai. Makes me kind of think they were banking on a wagon with them to get a low-info lynch quick.

To be honest, I was kind of expecting to get at least one or two votes from my pressuring when I saw everyone disappointed and disapproving of both me and Q's pressuring. Maybe it was because it seemed I already had enough votes, maybe because the long post gathered more attention.

(Numbers and Q doing the same wagon also made me think they were aligned, even if that may have been too blatant a move, but now that we know Q is third-party we can rule that out, probably)

They also really want their role revealed? Even so far as to doing it themselves, kind of

As for a player's alignment being revealed, I wish for my own alignment to be revealed. I have no real reason to worry about saying this because as far as I know, I'm town. Had I not of been a townie, then I would logically have named someone else. Sure, this doesn't say anything about any of my reads, but it will allow myself to be cleared up. Besides, I have the entirety of Day 2 to speak my reads and stuff.

I'm not comfortable being silent right now, because, as aforementioned, silence tells everyone that I'm fine with many people saying that I'm scummy, and I obviously don't want that, because according to my role I'm a person who prays to some deity to prevent the killing or lynching of another person. Thirdly, I want to get further in the game, so as to help remove the Infiltrators from the premises. Don't forget, that's kinda what we're here for.

They DID mention that they were new to Mafia, which makes me think now it COULD just be a townie really really really wanting to be cleared safe? But otherwise it's kind of weird.

As for why I didn't vote for Numbers - well, it wasn't going to do much anyway, as the Q wagon was already gone and running (and at the same time, I was thinking Q was a viable target too).

Sorry I don't have a lot of strong opinions right now... I know that must seem totally annoying but I like takin' it sloowwwww

ac you feel very...vacillating
why is trying to lynch blazer a townpoint for people in your reads when you seem to think HE’S town?
why do you have schazer as town and slorange as neutral leaning scum when they behaved very similarly yesterday? (with the only difference being schazer throwing votes on bandwagons quickly at the end of d1)
also what made you decide to vote q? (forget if you’ve answered this)

I don’t like blazer’s slightly exaggerated attitude but I haven’t liked ac’s stuff either

I like solaris rn, they’re saying good things with brevity

@RL we do have mechanical info now, it’s the flips
@acio I didn’t have time to ask you questions yesterday but it was mainly gonna be “what do you think of ac” which is sorta silly to type now that everyone’s debating that very subject

o yeah I forgot
vote: Schazer

So far in this game, I've been playing in the in-betweens of my life schedule, so I guess i have no choice but to keep this brief for now.

I have no opinions on AC or blazer right now. I find the fact that they're fighting over me to be amusing because I haven't done much

This post would have been longer but now i have to be at work.

ac you feel very...vacillating
why is trying to lynch blazer a townpoint for people in your reads when you seem to think HE’S town?

As I said earlier:

*At this point, I'm not gonna discount the (very likely) possibility that townie-infighting is happening. I figure what Blazer's doing is an incredibly ballsy move if they're a maf, right? Going out of their way to take down a particular person/leading a lynch? The contents of their posts are reading super scummy to me but the way they're going about doing it... I dunno

Basically what I mean is that if Blazer was scum then going gung-ho on me D2 is crazy risky. I think it's more likely that they're a townie that thinks I'm scum, but Solaris does present a good point in #323 (and I wouldn't have a problem if they turned out to flip maf, either. :P)

why do you have schazer as town and slorange as neutral leaning scum when they behaved very similarly yesterday? (with the only difference being schazer throwing votes on bandwagons quickly at the end of d1)

I'd hardly call voting for BlazerC end of D1 a "wagon" since they only ended up with one vote at the end (and a maximum of two at one point, with Solaris). Also I'm biased

also what made you decide to vote q? (forget if you’ve answered this)

1. wagon
2. thought Q was aligned scum w/ Numbers because of things in #330

Also it's my 700th bost, yeay!!!!

Vote: BlazerC

What are your thoughts on Jaq?

A townread, weirdly enough. Last half of 255 just utterly does not feel like scum commentary.

the awkwardCarapace/BlazerC echange feels weird to me and im currently biased against BlazerC. i think that in the legeandaryq wagon tehpilot is the most opportunistic and blazerC is the other one i feel could be scum with lesser emphathis on either granola or schazer.

You think pilot could fit with granola/schazer or blazer with them I'm not clear here.

i dont know if pharms was a vig kill, but if it was its certainly one thats interesting, i think its more likely that theres a third party killer of some kind though, as the narwhal is swingy in terms of like, balancey kill stuff, and its only one kill

I mean, soul drained and there's a magical creature that the noble walrus wanted to kill, soooooo.

oh i literally didnt notice that there were flavor things on the kills yeah i guess then the siren is some sort of killing role lol

re: pilot being aligned with anyone i havent actually thought too much about people being linked together just that all of them read scummy to me? i don't particularly feel like they have really linked each other that much other than the sort of chummy non-read between nola and schazer?

looking back ive noticed that nola's actually said a lot less than i thought he did? and he hasn't really commented on a lot of things, with the most actual stuff levvy'd at q being that he expected more out of him than numbers?

If I had to public cop anyone, it would be Coldblooded, cuz she's helpful and I want to make sure we have some confirmation to rely on her. Seedy and Reyweld are good choices too. My brain says Seedy because, as Sai said, their posts feel neutral so far. My heart says Reyweld because he killed me in nostalgfia...the meta aftertaste...

ANYWAY, I'll probably be unlikely to vote before the day ends bc B U S Y.

SO i just got into work and have not finished my caffeine yet but i dont think any one has brought this up yet.

With Reyweld flipping town i am confident that Coldblooded is a town read but still on the fence about seedy.

Right now going back over d1 if we had a day cop use im thinking BlazerC would def be first up becuase of his recent posting but i would rather it be used on either Schazer or sol right now since they are not really reading town to me right now.

I think that a day cop use, if we had one, in fact should be used on BlazerC. Their posts strike me as odd in some sort of way I can't really put my finger on. I also am, even still, iffy about Not The Authour. Something that I was about to post before the day end abruptly cut me off is that they've said practically nothing about their reads, suspicions, claims, etc. I honestly want to know what they think of some people, for example, AC, BlazerC, CB, and maybe Pala.

The flips were interesting. For one, the fact that there's a soulsucker loose in our Complex is both concerning and intriguing, because it could kill anyone it wishes to, not excluding the infiltrators. Secondly, I'm skimming over the posts of Pharmacy and cannot find any useful information, as they made a grand total of 2 posts with any sort of information. Thirdly, I fully expected Reyweld to be Town, but it's quite a shame that one of our own died.

Now back to BlazerC. The fact that they mentioned the Siren role without mentioning what it means, as well as being somewhat surprised they survived creates a sort of nagging in my head that they may be the Siren, but I'm going to put that off for now as there's nothing to back that up. The fact that they didn't justify their vote, as well as being the 5th vote, was somewhat odd and I'm not sure what to think, maybe just normal 'this is obvious", maybe some post trimming to not have attention brought to themselves. Personally, I think they have some scumminess to them, and therefore I'm gonna go Vote BlazerC.

Question: Is the Toxicologist an actual role in the game that Q copied off a player, or a fake role they were given by Dini

Day Two: Cold Dawn

CHIEF TOXICOLOGIST PERCIVAL DAWKINS LOCATED ON EVACUATION SHUTTLE #3, ALIVE AND WELL. CURRENT IDENTITY OF YESTERDAY’S RAILGUN OCCUPANT UNKNOWN. ADVISE EXTREME CAUTION. GOOD LUCK TODAY.

Well, the Day Two Start says this, so there probably isn't a Toxicologist. What I am concerned about, however, is the disease they may of been here for.

I dont know who this siren person is, but as long as they're picking their targets from the lurker pool/keep hitting scum then they're okay in my book.

Mildly surprised that Reyweld was offed last night. I didnt think he was all that town but maybe scum were just trying to dodge a docblock? Or maybe there're redirects in play?

Q's deadly virus deal sounds like a red herring unless someone else is willing to offer up flavor confirming its existence. Regardless, try to be sanitary in your visitations for a few days just in case.

(Also everyone knows that the Walhrine are just the bears of the sea so I'm at maximum bearanoia levels over here)

I've got serious issues with both blazer and ac's arguments but their conflict doesn't seem staged so they can't both be scum. Maybe a 3p? Ac's play is super noncommittal whereas blazer seems to be actively pushing a lurker lynch. I need to go back through blazer's posts when I'm at a computer and not on my phone but I'd be comfortable lynching him today.

Actually, I think I'm gonna backpedal that. CB's read on Blazer's Jwatch focus is wrong. Blazer's been seeking more informative lynches ever since Sai chimed into the thread. He wholly suspected Jwatch would be the scumkill in #243 so his focus today reads more "why weren't you killed?" than a mislynch setup.

While I disagree with his scumkill philosophy I do see where his argument is coming from. Meanwhile Ac's readlist looks less like an informed ranking and more like a crowd-pleaser. Vote: awkwardcarapace I have a townish read on Jacq but he's right in pointing out that he shouldn't be that high on anyone's list after yesterday, the Blazer position feels intentionally ambiguous, he's discounting my serious vote on Q as a joke.

I suspect ac might be a sentient malevolent waffle.

I AM serious about voting Schazer btw, their play so far hasn't been something that most of the players here would let go unvoted if it was just a rando and not an established player, so for the sake of praxis and not having oldbie favoritism we should lynch them

I'm really torn on the ac thing because I read them as very scum right up until they flipped town in nostalgiafia but the constant stubborn "I've already explained why I won't be giving an opinion, so stop asking me" thing is getting wild
(but blazer feels so blustering too?? I don't think the jwatch thing is that scummy by itself (I've certainly overdone it trying to get a lurker to post before) but they just feel kinda...fake)
@ac what would need to happen for you to have a clear read on someone (other than them dying)
@blazer what do you think of ac's reads?

I dunno how I feel about airey but I actually do I agree that it feels like pharmacy was "telling the truth" in that post...not as dead certain cb is town but it definitely makes me lean that way.

Blazer and aC are not scumbuds I'm confident of that much but I still don't have a great read on if they're both confused town or if Blazer is scum

@ac what would need to happen for you to have a clear read on someone (other than them dying)

HONESTLY in this case I’ve kind of just been waiting for Blazer to post again just to see what they’d say. A LOT has happened since their last post and how they respond now could be pretty crucial. (If they respond at all, that is - which could be telling in itself.)

Just, uhh, post more is I guess what I’m saying??

Reading through Pharms' interactions yesterday: Numbers a bit worse, Granola iffy (but Granola Slorange and Pharms are not a scum team together), Coldblooded looking good

Reading through Pharms' interactions yesterday: Numbers a bit worse, Granola iffy (but Granola Slorange and Pharms are not a scum team together), Coldblooded looking good

Explainy?

@Numbers, thanks for #338 kickin' my ass inta gear. A proper post will manifest shortly, but I might be a bit, byte, or big crunch longer. Please be patient with me, and, do a friend a favor? go tell the interminable linear progression of time to suck a lemon for me

first of all I kinda glossed over the flavor of the pharm kill and that somewhat answers my questions about the siren
which probably means the siren is a SK of sorts and the pharm kill was done by a SK and not a Vig most likely. It also ties into Legendary Q's role, it'd make sense if the siren was some kind of third party.

Continuing on: It feels like some people just aren't reading my damn posts or they're just not understanding them. Perhaps on purpose.

Numbers for example, is voting on me because I didn't justify my vote on Legendary Q. Nevermind the fact that is exactly what I did when I decided to vote on Q in post #245, justifying my reasoning for the vote.

I don't know if Numbers is scum, a new player, or just not reading stuff. Maybe all damn three. But I don't like it.

Eitherway, I'm going to clear this up once and for all: I've just been trying to get stuff happening, okay? A lazy town is about the same as a dead town. I apologize if my aggressive attitude has been making that confusing, but I will not apologize for the aggressive attitude itself.


anyway anyway, aC is continuing to rub me the wrong way.

I guess it's because in my eyes you have some things going for you (Q vote, against BlazerC) but also stuff against you (Jacq+Acio, vote flipping, sparse posts) which kind of cancel out to leave a general "ehhh" feeling??

what are you a jester?

Why is voting for Q a good thing? They were un-aligned with the mafia.
And for that point, why is being against me (Blazer) a good thing for Solaris when you just said that I am kinda townish?

What is your logic? Can you just not decide between "Blazer is in-fighting town" or "Blazer is dumb scum"?

@blazer what do you think of ac's reads?

They look like they're trying to appeal to the crowd rather than anything else. This might be a case of "it's still early in the game" but I expect aC to have something different looking based on how they've been acting in the last couple of posts.

I also disagree some of it, so here's my conflicting reads:
-CB and Granola in my opinion feel a little bit aligned, where if either of them flip Maf, I would be suspect of the other, but otherwise feel "kinda townish" to me.
-I don't know how Solaris is doing it but they seem townish to me too. Their recent attitude reads "I don't care if I die and I'm going to keep bringing up good points until that happens"
-I don't like the silent/low-info players (jwatch, slorange, NTA, Schaz and TehPilot) as their deaths would be "free" and therfor their survival is suspect, but after reeling back a bit, it's also possible they went after Reyweld because they wanted to 'nip that problem in the bud' so to say. So they're light scum reads that aren't worth the lynch right now but people I would vig the shit out of if I had a gun.
-With the exception of Schaz, I wouldn't vig them. Them starting to contribute does not earn any town points against their Day 1 nonsense, but I appreciate it regardless.
-And I agree with others when I say the Jacq thing seems weird as they're kinda ambiguous to me at the moment. Jacq has been relatively helpful in trying to teach the newer players on how to play mafia, so scum!Jacq could be pocketing a townie!aC and they're just really sucked into it, or a scum!Jacq is trying to help a scumbud!aC. However Jacq seems to also be contributing with some other stuff and opinions so it personally swings the scale back into a neutral/light-town territory for me.

Thoughts:

I got The Boot

The Boot.

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Here's an opinion I'd like to throw out there: vote Solaris. I see a couple of people granting them a light townread and I'm inclined to disagree.

Solaris throws a vote on Q early in the game, sits on it for a while. Switches to BlazerC in #266, then back to Q to help secure the lynch. #323 affirms the BlazerC scumread and is followed by asking aC back about their Solaris read. Looks like they're just ever-so-slighted against each other in terms of reads.

I don't feel a sense of commitment from Solaris's posts. There are good pokes at a variety of individuals, but I don't see anything else in them + hasn't put pressure in the form of a vote or further analysis. A stretch theory I'm entertaining is Solaris and aC are aligned with each other and trying to distance themselves from each other in a way that isn't obvious.

By extension, I do not suspect that aC and BlazerC are aligned. Make of that what you will.

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Airey: do you have any thoughts on Solaris beyond what you hinted at in #337?

I'd like to hear from Slorange and Sai. Also would be interested in seeing Coldblooded's further analysis after the number of questions she asked at the start of the day.

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Serial killers are not our friends.