The Wander Island Incident - Night Four - Five For One [13/21]

Reywald feels very blind at the moment to me as well, if that's what you wanted to comment on.

So they feel okay I guess. No strong opinion on it though yet.

Reywald feels very blind at the moment to me as well, if that's what you wanted to comment on.

So they feel okay I guess. No strong opinion on it though yet.

I mean more like scum is more conscious/worried about a teammate getting wagoned day one and reywelds plowing right past that possibility

I don't think scum has that hole in their perspective

Schazer, any commentary at this point? You still appear to be in joke-mode.

D1 is a farce. Q is observant. Welcome to hell

Day one is a total farce and gives a chance to mess around and shit post more or less. Saying that i am still going to be doing shitty mspaint doodles when i get the chance cause it is fun.

Schazer, any commentary at this point? You still appear to be in joke-mode.

D1 is a farce. Q is observant. Welcome to hell

Day one is a total farce and gives a chance to mess around and shit post more or less. Saying that i am still going to be doing shitty mspaint doodles when i get the chance cause it is fun.

And why I don't consider my "hmm" list to be substantive in any fashion, especially right now. I'd rather attempt to poke at what data (i.e. essentially nothing) we have, but I can't judge for shitposting in waiting for D2.

Reywald feels very blind at the moment to me as well, if that's what you wanted to comment on.

So they feel okay I guess. No strong opinion on it though yet.

I mean more like scum is more conscious/worried about a teammate getting wagoned day one and reywelds plowing right past that possibility

I don't think scum has that hole in their perspective

What if scum are willing to off one of their own d1 just to gain trust and drive town into a ditch?

I meant that adding to another bandwagon would be a bad scum tactic, yes.

If their goal was to avoid attention D1 they could have just Not Done That without any sort of risk. If their goal was to further a D1 lynch, they would have picked either of the two wagons with 3 votes.

Palamedes, CB, Blazer opinions on this?

I'm reading it kind of like, town blind? This feels a bit too hardheaded and ignores obvious scenarios that scum would be more conscious of before they'd say anything.

Yeah, I think that's a fair read. Earlier today I was briefly wondering if Reyweld maybe-defending Numbers was worth looking at, but town blindness seems a lot more likely here. That BlazerC callout post there also reads as town to me.

For the record, my townread on Schazer was mostly based on their vote for Seedy in post #41, which I'm presuming was made with the same logic as my vote for them. (i.e. You can't break out of RVS until people actually have something of substance to talk about, and an early wagon fits the bill better than nothing.)

You think that holds with the followup votechange?

Kinda? The Seedy wagon was no longer in first place at that point, and moving your vote around is hardly the worst way to get out of RVS. My theory IS however undercut by Schazer continuing to shitpost rather than trying to make any other efforts to break out of the RVS funk. In fact, now they seem to be perfectly fine with it lasting all day, so yeah maybe I was too quick to read Schazer as town there.

Reywald feels very blind at the moment to me as well, if that's what you wanted to comment on.

So they feel okay I guess. No strong opinion on it though yet.

I mean more like scum is more conscious/worried about a teammate getting wagoned day one and reywelds plowing right past that possibility

I don't think scum has that hole in their perspective

Oh!

Hmm.

Considering that I didn't even think of that possibility, I suppose I can't really comment on it.

But I'm gonna do it anyway: Might be something to look at in future, based on future flips.

What if scum are willing to off one of their own d1 just to gain trust and drive town into a ditch?

Don't think so. Based on how little people have to go on on Day 1, that would just kinda kill off one of their own with little reward. D1 Lynches are usually always bandwagons with little evidence to back them up. Don't forget that they (almost definitely) haven't had a night phase yet to discuss, so the possibility of them organizing any kind of gamble like that is way too far-fetched.

Hey scum show up at my door tonight and murder all five of my asses so the gang here has something substantial to talk about

Oh and, speaking of scumtells just a few posts ago, Not The Author seems kind of suspicious, as they voted quite early and then said literally nothing, not even in a joking matter.
Therefore, Switch vote to Not The Author

Hey Numbers, what's your opinion of Granola, and has it changed at all since you first voted for him?

How far does this Caesar metaphor stretch? After I decide do I get mobbed by the rest of you guys?

I still don't like a D1 lynch but it's not the hill I'm going to force the discussion to die on, so... If forced to pick between the four of you right now I'd just choose randomly because nothing anyone voting for any of you has said so far has struck me as particularly substantial. The choice would basically be arbitrary since you're asking me to analyze what's mostly goofing around or responding to goofing around.

By "how would you decide" I don't mean choose immediately. It's more of a "what, if anything, would you do to better inform your choice?"

No clue how the mob would react. I tend to survive hosting deathgames though so you'd probably be fine. I'd host again myself if I could but the votals demanded I contend this time round.

Oh and, speaking of scumtells just a few posts ago, Not The Author seems kind of suspicious, as they voted quite early and then said literally nothing, not even in a joking matter.
Therefore, Switch vote to Not The Author

Hey Numbers, what's your opinion of Granola, and has it changed at all since you first voted for him?

They look somewhat townish but I'm a newbie, what do I know.
As for you, you look extremely like a townie.

Oh and, speaking of scumtells just a few posts ago, Not The Author seems kind of suspicious, as they voted quite early and then said literally nothing, not even in a joking matter.
Therefore, Switch vote to Not The Author

Hey Numbers, what's your opinion of Granola, and has it changed at all since you first voted for him?

They look somewhat townish but I'm a newbie, what do I know.
As for you, you look extremely like a townie.

(use a second post next time)
(edit was just adding the second line)

How far does this Caesar metaphor stretch? After I decide do I get mobbed by the rest of you guys?

I still don't like a D1 lynch but it's not the hill I'm going to force the discussion to die on, so... If forced to pick between the four of you right now I'd just choose randomly because nothing anyone voting for any of you has said so far has struck me as particularly substantial. The choice would basically be arbitrary since you're asking me to analyze what's mostly goofing around or responding to goofing around.

then put one of our names in a hat or roll a die and tell us who’s dying
coward

How far does this Caesar metaphor stretch? After I decide do I get mobbed by the rest of you guys?

I still don't like a D1 lynch but it's not the hill I'm going to force the discussion to die on, so... If forced to pick between the four of you right now I'd just choose randomly because nothing anyone voting for any of you has said so far has struck me as particularly substantial. The choice would basically be arbitrary since you're asking me to analyze what's mostly goofing around or responding to goofing around.

then put one of our names in a hat or roll a die and tell us who’s dying
coward

I second this.

No thanks.

No thanks.

no thanks because you think everyone will be like " yeah na" and lynch you instead or because you are scared to hit town and then get lynched for a bad call/suspected of scum?

right now i doubt we will hit hard lynch for d1 and the soft lynch will be the factor. it would be bad if we go without a lynch d1.

I meant that adding to another bandwagon would be a bad scum tactic, yes.

If their goal was to avoid attention D1 they could have just Not Done That without any sort of risk. If their goal was to further a D1 lynch, they would have picked either of the two wagons with 3 votes.

Palamedes, CB, Blazer opinions on this?

I... kind of see where you're going with this? I mean it's more than most people have done so far, but I don't think Reyweld is new enough to this to be completely blind. Past that, it's a sort of simple defence without any bite to it so Reyweld could have just been throwing it out knowing that there was almost no way it would be taken bad in the long run. I'm still somewhat interested in hearing the correlation between you/Airey to Numbers since unlike what both Coldblooded and Reyweld said I don't think any of you really just made a single vote and were gone otherwise (at least, not compared to anyone else) and that's the main thing that probably makes me feel weird about the entire exchange on both sides.

Speaking of Numbers, I'm not a huge fan of how they immediately buddied up to Coldblooded just now for questioning them. Vote: Numbers

(Just lost the rest of this post and am going to bed so I'll tl;dr it):
Coldblooded looks good for Numbers looking strange
Airey looks good for joining in on Acio's question time without prompting
People making no content posts and nothing else at this point make me uneasy
Q stands out for looking like he's trying to be helpful but is completely ignoring discussion topics (of which this is sort of the only major one to be fair) is weird, Q what are your thoughts on this whole Reyweld debate and related posts?

If Slorange won't be Caesar I'll do it for him. Who's being gladiatored again?

No thanks because there's no information to be gained from me doing it. I don't have a stronger scum read on any of them than the others, and nobody could really use my choice as evidence of anything later on because it was a randomly made one. I don't see what anyone trying to force me to pick has to gain from knowing my choice except maybe for scum-aligned players who know my playstyle and want to waste time and posts fruitlessly debating the same old stuff.

I personally think that after throwing out that you'd make it completely random you might as well just end the discussion and, well, randomize it instead of participating in a (self admittedly) pointless and distracting argument.

I mean, if it actually got to the point where you could successfully be lynched over your random choice right now scum has probably already all but won.

By "how would you decide" I don't mean choose immediately. It's more of a "what, if anything, would you do to better inform your choice?"

I haven't responded more specifically to this yet because I can't think of an answer that doesn't sound like I'm trying to be a flippant dick, but right now nothing. The only reason those four are even the subject of conversation is because they mostly-randomly ended up as lynch frontrunners; that doesn't seem like a compelling enough reason to me to delve too deep into them specifically. It honestly seems more fruitful to be talking about who voted for them instead, but again because everything was pretty silly when those votes were made there's not much to be learned there either.

Right now I'm kind of mostly just waiting and watching.

How far does this Caesar metaphor stretch? After I decide do I get mobbed by the rest of you guys?

I still don't like a D1 lynch but it's not the hill I'm going to force the discussion to die on, so... If forced to pick between the four of you right now I'd just choose randomly because nothing anyone voting for any of you has said so far has struck me as particularly substantial. The choice would basically be arbitrary since you're asking me to analyze what's mostly goofing around or responding to goofing around.

then put one of our names in a hat or roll a die and tell us who’s dying
coward

I second this.

Huh... what benefit would this provide to anybody??? Genuinely curious
I mean, sure if D1 lynch ends up happening, it ends up happening, but peeps who are trying to force a D1 lynch real hard seem kind of sussy to me tbh
Anyway, I'm gonna continue my abstantion because this all seems like kicking up discussion for the sake of it

I personally think that after throwing out that you'd make it completely random you might as well just end the discussion and, well, randomize it instead of participating in a (self admittedly) pointless and distracting argument.

I don't intend to put my vote where my mouth is on a choice someone else is making me make, and I'm not excited about saying "Yeah fine Airey then just to end this line of questioning" and not voting for him and having that brought up and analyzed later on when it'd be garbage data because it was a random choice.

PS, Airey was just a filler name in the last post, I only used him instead of one of the others because he told me in scumchat he doesn't mind.

PS, Airey was just a filler name in the last post, I only used him instead of one of the others because he told me in scumchat he doesn't mind.

I'M SORRY?
This had better be a bluff of I'm gonna uhhhhhhh do something exaggerated

If you can't think of a decision-making strategy that's informative, default to one that's entertaining.

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