Nostalgfia - GAME OVER SCUM WIN

1. why is everyone taking their pants off. robot if you are what you say you are, a superstar, then you should NOT be claiming unprompted >_< I know a52 is setting a bad example but in a normal mafia game you guys try to stay quiet so scum doesn't kill you
2. if you're gonna claim all that then you might as well tell us who you checked n1

(robot's claim is ???? but it makes no sense for a player to claim that 2 probably town players are aligned unless there's some kind of long con going on. sleuth claims like this are good for mafia to get mislynches with cuz if you say 2 scummy players are antialigned you could possibly milk 2 mislynches.)

also if CSJ and the person who made everyone target a52 instead of CSJ are not aligned (CSJ 3p, driver scum or 2 scumteams) then n-o is probably not aligned with the driver either
cuz if you're choosing between someone you don't know and your scumbud who both Might Get Killed then it makes no sense to drive the other person
(and this is all IF maf doesn't have another protective role (although if they already have a driver they don't need another thing...))

anyways that's 6 votes on CSJ now

I'm not sure I follow your logic on n-o not being aligned with the driver, could you elaborate? Reminder: the driver targeted myself and Schazer n1, not n-o.

Nercania: did you get a food item from wheat n1?

Has anyone heard from RL? The ONW necroing reminded me that he's usually more talkative in these games but I don't even know if he knows day 3 started?

Oh wait you're suggesting that driver would've tried to block a kill heading to n-o instead of CSJ? Yeah I can see that. CSJ was probably the choice since everyone was suggesting I shoot him yesterday, all else being equal.

I spent a decent few minutes here systematically going through CSJ's claims to try and guess his role/information but honestly the easiest answer is that Schazer's a scummate and fed him some info.

So put me in the "Schazer's an evil mixmason" camp I guess. Wouldn't even be her second time in that role.

yeah, but I think there was a bit of wheat suggesting that rather than settle on a target, whatever vigs may or may not exist should be picking between multiple targets, and mentioned their pet lynch n-o as an alternative. while personally I would still have guessed CSJ for any vig kills, scum usually tries to play it safe with their member's survival. but hey they might have something else up their sleeves to protect members, so who knows.

Schaz made a mistake with who CSJ was referring to though, and they aren't the kind of calculating that would use misgendering as a card to play just to seem extra oblivious. but all this only matters if they miraculously recover from claimed poisoning

also not to violate Rule 2 but Sunspider, Pharmacy, and Robust Laser have both been on eagle-time since day started. so I'm pretty sure they know and just aren't posting. please post! just because we all want to get rid of CSJ doesn't mean you should feel safe and cozy. Akumu also hasn't checked in but has the last time active info hidden on their profile ^_^

I'd also like it if Cat said some things. you too n-o. who do you think should die tomorrow

we have less than a day left to fuck around and navel-gaze about mechanics btw. so get crackin

agh i'm sorry i don't know what to do

Like, I'm more talkative in one night because like, information by its nature has to come out. It's one night. There's no holding onto it until you can try to get more, because the most you'll be waiting for is somebody else to say something.
So, CSJ is likely a third party seems to be the running theory, and I don't know if they're a bad or neutral third party but it's better than a town lynch I suppose is the idea here?

also i uh, don't think schazer is scum, but i can't rule it out specifically

Wait, a miller claim?

........So my role is like, really really hard to use.

And the possible existence of millers would make it more or less impossible to interpret my results.
And I sure don't know how likely it would be for that sort of situation to be set up, but if this game is supposed to have fair roles, then I think that claim might be bullshit!
Vote: Seedy

Hey RL, does Robotobt appear to be claiming the same role as you?

I'm pretty sure CSJ is like third-party, but I don't know how to back that up.

Schazer is probably town? Shrug.

I just said for inforoles to stop claiming ;_;

(also with apparently multiple drivings/redirections/what have you, I'd hardly say the existence of a miller role is the biggest thing in the way of getting clean checks...)

BUT generally if you're going to claim an inforole you Might As Well tell us your check results as well as what your actual role is (not that it's that likely you're going to die tonight, being third down the list if claims are to be believed). of course there's situations where it IS better to be a little cagey* but overall you're not in less danger just from not claiming too much. and if you actually want me to be lynched you ARE going to have to claim more. although that would be a difficult turnaround in less than a day since I've been active, you're going off of game balance assumptions, and people generally want CSJ dead. so any melynch should probably wait until tomorrow.

*(e.g. scum can try and minimize the danger a tracker or watcher poses to them, so there are game situations where one of those would want to pretend to be a cop if they have hard evidence of a guilty but don't want to risk being impeded. that probably doesn't really apply here though)

I don't think this has been acknowledged yet, but one of the people Wheat visited likely has the antidote (unless Robottobt was lying about losing it) from what I understand, so maybe we should be investigating that?

Also for consideration, I was one of Wheat's targets but didn't get an item back, whereas Robottobt got 2 back in exchange for one. I had a cookie, and now Robottobt has a cookie (probably my cookie). I'm thinking I didn't get any items back because when Wheat's action occurred, I had had no items.

However, as much as I want to say Robottobt stole my cookie, it would be unlikely for them to get it back if they had had it when Wheat did the item swaparoo with so many people. Does anyone have any ideas?

Wheat's Posts:

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Wheat
n-c
ac
Palamedes
robottobt

yip

*dog barks because they visited you, as well all of those people listed in quote (possibly excluding palamedes, but possibly not; also likely excluding self-visit). dog also visited two other players not listed there*

ok I no longer know what the heck happened last night...I kind of want the other people on the list to confirm/deny they targeted one of CSJ/a52. no need to state your intended target (although it might be interesting if they matched up)

*dog does a flip. upon landing a cloud of dust rises that spells out "perhaps all watch results are chained together, as the dog attempted to visit a52 as well as robottot, awkwardcarapace, and possibly palamedes as well as two other folks not on a52's list. oh also mistake the dog did not attempt to visit n-o last night"

although I don't really understand what you mean by watch results being "chained?"

*dog demonstrates how when they do actions, they visit multiple people, mixing up all of the items and depositing the same number of items all players started with to each player. Perhaps this vortex of doggish mayhem could result in track/watch results being messed with? Dog does not know the particulars of mechanics for how things are counted, so this is speculation*

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I got a cookie and some glass lens in return for my antidote. Sleuthing provided me with the information that both CSJ and wheat are of the same allingment.

I meant to attach this Wheat post as well:

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^{2-probably. the dog doesn't know the nature of all the items actually the dog should probably check the database thing for the specifics of what poison does...}

boof.

*dog covers face and now sees that it is possible that perhaps receiving poison means you die, but in that case whoever was previously poisoned was probably already going to die? unless they make poison so they don't receive it in which case one of the people the dog targeted³ makes poisons to be distributed out toward others by sneaking into food, and we should [i]probably get on killing one of them today*


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a52
agentblue/reyweld
robustlaser
robottot
awkwardcarapace
schazer}

Making Wheat's visits: Wheat (?), n-o, ac, Palamedes (?), Robottobt, a52, Reyweld, Robust Laser, and Schazer.

Oh yeah, I totally forgot I was a part of Wheat’s swaparoo thingy. In that case that explains why my Poison is now gone from my inventory - someone in that swaparoo group has it. Also, like Reyweld, I didn’t get an item back.

I still have an Antidote from N1 when I opened my Present, if that’s anything!

Pass it to a52!

Can do!

what the hell is going on this game even fdaihpaejpgagiao

@Robust Laser: did you just ALSO claim an alignment-checking role?

a. why

b. why are not voting robottobt then because town having MULTIPLE alignment-checking roles AS WELL AS one-shot cop items floating around would be absurd balance

meanwhile I'm still waiting for mod responses in my QT ;-;

I realize you're probably busy/swamped with RL/burned out somehow RobotNerd but if you gotta delegate more plz do because I'd rather not be waiting until 12 hours before day end to do things

c. why are you voting seedy and saying miller is an impossible role, THE POINT of a miller is to make alignment-checking roles not super perfect/infallible, just because there is one miller however does not mean it is "more or less impossible to to interpret [your] results" - THERE'S ONE MILLER MY FRIEND ahhhhhhhh

d. please tell us your results since you've said you're an info role already! unless it's like, a town result on someone that is really towny already because they've claimed a power role + have been playing as town in which case I guess keep it to yourself


@robottobt YOU TOO. what was your night one check/result!? if you claim there is little point being cagey about this stuff except in the aforementioned disclaimer I pointed out to Robust Laser.

for some reason my being sad about QT response times ended up in the middle of that post instead of at the end of it but well, just insert the two paragraphs/lines between the b. and the c. at the bottom of the post instead of where they are and it'll read like it was meant to

He isn't just a mason btw. If he wants to keep that bit private, that's cool.

Solaris uses they/she

I was talking about you, actually. Sorry in advance if that's also incorrect. :P

Oh yeah, I totally forgot I was a part of Wheat’s swaparoo thingy. In that case that explains why my Poison is now gone from my inventory - someone in that swaparoo group has it. Also, like Reyweld, I didn’t get an item back.

I still have an Antidote from N1 when I opened my Present, if that’s anything!

Pretty sure Schazer will die first and as a mason deserves it first.

Am I not the only person with dual roles? But yeah. I'm town off-days.

Am I not the only person with dual roles? But yeah. I'm town off-days.

if you're town today then surely you wouldn't mind telling us, your fellow townies, what you are on even days?

CSJ did you give Schazer poison or did you see that she had it in her inventory? This is a very important distinction.

No I did not. Feel free to poison me tonight, though. That way I can die while I die.

Also... I didn't notice this the first time around but I was actually stolen from! I no longer have a poison.

Because of how poison works, they just poisoned themselves, so it was probably a52 or Schazer, both of whom have claimed to be poisoned. Might be a bluff though in case they want to craft something. The item system seems incredibly complex and antithetical to this supposedly being a relatively straightforward game.

Am I not the only person with dual roles? But yeah. I'm town off-days.

if you're town today then surely you wouldn't mind telling us, your fellow townies, what you are on even days?

Jester. Copping will flip town irrespectively.

It also wears off though. I can't win as jester if we make it to day 6.

CSJ you realize if you're telling the truth it's kind of best for us to kill you now?

Also how does this new claim mesh with your whole 'prime days' thing that you were going on about yesterday?

Oh yeah, I totally forgot I was a part of Wheat’s swaparoo thingy. In that case that explains why my Poison is now gone from my inventory - someone in that swaparoo group has it. Also, like Reyweld, I didn’t get an item back.

I still have an Antidote from N1 when I opened my Present, if that’s anything

Pass it to a52!

Ok, which of a52 and

also wheat I'm assuming CSJ either is saying he has a gun item or is just bluffing, why would you believe anything he says at this point.

No gun, whomever stole from me can confirm.

CSJ you realize if you're telling the truth it's kind of best for us to kill you now?

Also how does this new claim mesh with your whole 'prime days' thing that you were going on about yesterday?

I mean, by all means kill someone whose entire purpose for being in a mafia game is to make lynching scum harder.