Lucidstuck II

>Well Alice, Lucia came here because she still feels resentment towards you. Maybe you should give her the space to speak her mind about you.

>Lucia: speak your mind, you arrived here due to your resentment towards alice

also, seconding this :)

>Lucia: Ask Alice to get rid of this "bob" thing. All of this talking to herself and making fake little people is just her deflecting confrontation.

>Lucia: Ask Alice to get rid of this "bob" thing. All of this talking to herself and making fake little people is just her deflecting confrontation.

Unseconding. And i swear i'm not being petty about this xD
It's just that holy-sh*t! That's likely to cause Lucia to have even LESS trust in Alice now.
And uh... we kinda need, like REALLY need them working together and not killing each-other and stuff you-know :/

Only make commands that help them work together, people. Please.

This is a monumental pivot point. We can put ourselves on the path to saving the kids, right here. Or we can fuck it all up and witness a long slide to a dismal failure.

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Lucia: ......
O.I: I'm sorry we haven't been spending enough time with you lately there Alice. We grew complacent in knowing Emily was with you, keeping you company and handling your emotional needs, but the fact that you started seeing LilMal means that is clearly not entirely true.
Daydream: Wait, what?
Daydream: I think those are two seperate things. I'm working on it.
O.I: It has occurred to me that it may not just be companionship you crave after so many centuries of solitude, but also a sense of progress. I think the imaginary games we played might have helped alleviate that feeling somewhat and maybe kept that manifestation of despair at bay.
Daydream: .... Perhaps.
O.I: Also, hello there Lucia! We're so glad to see Derrick managed to wake you from your coma. We hope you might find it in your heart to forgive Alice here for her past transgressions. I know that's a tall order for you, but in the interest of keeping you all alive, you really all need to be working together here.
Lucia: .... How the heck...
Lucia: Why does that thing know about me?
Daydream: Because they're watching us from beyond. That's why I call them aliens. Not from here?
Lucia: ...
Daydream: That "Thing" is Bob, and he's their mouthpiece.
O.I: Well Alice, Lucia came here because she still feels resentment towards you. Maybe you should give her the space to speak her mind about you.
Daydream: Well Lucia? Is there something you want to tell me?
Lucia: ... You're a horrible person for setting all this against me.
Lucia: My whole life... You just made it up?!
Lucia: I don't even know what's really my own memories...
Lucia: You need help.
Daydream: I don't need you to tell me that.
Daydream: This whole situation was brought about because of YOU.
Lucia: What???
Lucia: What is it that I did that caused you to treat me like this??

It would seem that Lucia keeps revisiting this blank spot left in her head. She won't be able to forgive Alice truly, unless she understands why she feels such hatred for her in the first place.

1. Remind her
2. Change topic

2) change topic

> If the UE made it here already, you both have bigger, more immediate fish to fry than whatever personal issues you have with each other. All your friend's well being (and your own) depend on this, so now may be a good time for the both of you to figure out what are your priorities. Like it or not, you need to work together right now.

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[It seems risky, it seems likely that it'll kick Lucia up the hilll of lunacy, but Daydream needs to get stronger to deal with UE and I don't see a better way to do that than give her a confrontation about her shitty behavior towards Lucia.]

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[It seems risky, it seems likely that it'll kick Lucia up the hilll of lunacy,  but Daydream needs to get stronger to deal with UE and I don't see a better way to do that than give her a confrontation about her shitty behavior towards Lucia.]

This seems like a huge risk for very little payoff CF... I mean, if it works, whoo, but if it fails, either of these cray broads could wreck the  construct for good...

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[Lucia's stability is key to the health of the construct. We just learned about this. We had to throw a poor, cute Reaper under the bus for it. We can, and will, find/make a better place to deal with her issues. Let us also not forget that Alice's reasons of hating Lucia are entirely sensible, even if not wholly fair. For now, this is not the way to handle either girl. Emily and Bob can deal with Alice and work with her more for the time being. Lucia we can continue to shape and strengthen her mental state through the events of the story. But for now we need these two nearly-deific troublelasses to work together.]

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> If the UE made it here already, you both have bigger, more immediate fish to fry than whatever personal issues you have with each other. All your friend's well being (and your own) depend on this, so now may be a good time for the both of you to figure out what are your priorities. Like it or not, you need to work together right now.

 

Seconding this to the edge of the Universe and back!

Also, adding a bit of my own.

>Alice, please don't undermine all the hard work and progress you've made so far. Lucia's emotional state is just as vital to the integrity of your construct here. Please, please just try to make peace you two. You have nothing to gain from this squabble and everything to loose. Whatever it is you think Lucia may have done, consider the following possibility: you were both tricked into sabotaging yourselves to get to this point. By whom, i believe should be obvious as-well.

2) change topic

> If the UE made it here already, you both have bigger, more immediate fish to fry than whatever personal issues you have with each other. All your friend's well being (and your own) depend on this, so now may be a good time for the both of you to figure out what are your priorities. Like it or not, you need to work together right now.

 

Seconding this to the edge of the Universe and back!

Also, adding a bit of my own.

>Alice, please don't undermine all the hard work and progress you've made so far. Lucia's emotional state is just as vital to the integrity of your construct here. Please, please just try to make peace you two. You have nothing to gain from this squabble and everything to loose. Whatever it is you think Lucia may have done, consider the following possibility: you were both tricked into sabotaging yourselves to get to this point. By whom, i believe should be obvious as-well.

unseconding...nef, bc of Bob being there, Lucia can listen to the exact same things Alice can, i don't think any of this is shit she wants to hear....

[Couldn't we just send Lucia back so that she can keep her sanity and focus on the task at hand (gaining servants, if she hasn't already?)]

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>Alice, please don't undermine all the hard work and progress you've made so far. Lucia's emotional state is just as vital to the integrity of your construct here. Please, please just try to make peace you two. You have nothing to gain from this squabble and everything to loose. Whatever it is you think Lucia may have done, consider the following possibility: you were both tricked into sabotaging yourselves to get to this point. By whom, i believe should be obvious as-well.

What you're doing here is begging Alice to *pretend* to make good with Lucia for the sake of her plans, right in front of Lucia. It adds nothing and will likely sabotage Alice's attempts to change the subject, since what you're saying here focusses on the current subject.

[Couldn't we just send Lucia back so that she can keep her sanity and focus on the task at hand (gaining servants, if she hasn't already?)]

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[The matter at hand hasn't been finding servants ever since Lucia ended up in the event horizon. There are far more pressing matters.]

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O.I: If the UE made it here already, you both have bigger, more immediate fish to fry than whatever personal issues you have with each other. All your friend's well being (and your own) depend on this, so now may be a good time for the both of you to figure out what are your priorities. Like it or not, you need to work together right now.
Daydream: ...
Lucia: ....
Daydream: I've been conscious for more years than my human mind can bare...
Daydream: And even now, I can understand that when reason is brought to me, not to let it slip away.
Daydream: Lucia, I hate you.
Daydream: This is not a normal hatred. It burns hot, fueled by an unforgivable act that as far as I can remember could not be recompensed.
Daydream: This hatred festered, and consumed me. It became part of my identity.
Daydream: I've felt this way for more than you've known existing. Thousands of times over.
Daydream: I've killed you countless times, in the most disgusting and inhumane ways you could imagine.
Daydream: Over, and over.... And over again.
Daydream: And in the end...
Daydream: It was you who had to be the key.
Lucia: ..........
Daydream: I've looked for ways to save Derrick from his fate.
Lucia: What fate...?
Daydream: But every time I tried, I failed.
Daydream: When I killed you, you came back.
Daydream: You kept coming back, same old Lucia...
Daydream: Until you found your way here.
Daydream: I want to think this was inevitable but... I never would have gotten this far if not for the Aliens.
Daydream: So... I trust the Aliens.
Daydream: And I'm willing to trust them so much, that if they think there is a better way, I'd rather explore it than my own ideas because that has not been working.
Lucia: Where are you going with this...?
Daydream: .... Despite me hating you... I--
Daydream: I am willing to work together to see this through.
Lucia: W-wow. That must have took a lot out of you.
Daydream: .....
Daydream: What will you do?
Daydream: Will you agree to put our differences aside for the sake of our own fates?
Lucia: Hmph...
Lucia: The same Alice that has killed me a million times wants to be allies?
Lucia: You've got some nerve.
Daydream: Did you not hear the Aliens? Listen to reason.
Lucia: You are a heartless, poisonous SPIDER.
Lucia: Every word that slithers out of your mouth is tainted.
Lucia: How can I even trust you to have my back??
Daydream: Like it or not, like they said, we're all in this together.
Daydream: You will rot alongside me due to your own hard-headedness.
O.I: Alice, please don't undermine all the hard work and progress you've made so far. Lucia's emotional state is just as vital to the integrity of your construct here. Please, please just try to make peace you two. You have nothing to gain from this squabble and everything to lose. Whatever it is you think Lucia may have done, consider the following possibility: you were both tricked into sabotaging yourselves to get to this point. By whom, I believe should be obvious as-well.
Lucia: W-what the fuck?!
Daydream: -sigh-
Lucia: My emotional what??
Lucia: Why does everyone treat me like a frickin' basket case??
Lucia: I'M NOT CRAZY!!
Daydream: Lucia, just calm--
Lucia: NO.
Lucia: JUST, SHUT UP!
Lucia: All of this shit IS YOUR FAULT!
Lucia: No one told you to torture and kill me!
Lucia: No one told you to fuck with Derrick, or Emily, or Lexii or anyone else!
Lucia: IT WAS YOU.
Daydream: .....
Lucia: SAY IT WAS YOU!
Daydream: THIS IS WHY THEY THINK OF YOU THIS WAY!
Lucia: ...?!
Daydream: Will you stop for 5 fucking seconds and hear yourself??
Daydream: You sound like--
Daydream: LIKE...!!
Daydream: LIKE A SPOILED BRAT.
Daydream: YOU NEVER WONDERED WHY??
Daydream: If 10 people think you're crazy, guess what??
Daydream: YOU'RE CRAZY.
Daydream: GOD.
Daydream: Don't look at me like I'm the only psycho!
Daydream: Look in a goddamn mirror for christ' sake...
Lucia: ...............
Lucia: You're...
Lucia: The worst.
Daydream: YEAH, WELL GET OVER IT.
Daydream: You're stuck with the worst, what are you gunna do about it??
Daydream: Cry all day?
Daydream: Or fucking do something that'll save our asses!
Daydream: I toss you a fucking olive branch and you spit in my face!
Daydream: UGH...

It would seem the air has soured, would you like to continue?

1. Continue reviewing
2. Keep chatting

if "continue reviewing" means we go back to the narrative and just leave this mess hanging up in the air, then no, i Don't think that is a good idea.
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>Lucia, everybody has feelings. And everyone's feelings tend to flare up during stressful events. Look, the point i'm trying to get at is... we're not here to judge you. We're here to help you. Now, i believe you've realised by now, much as Derrick already has..  you are keeping certain things from yourself. Vhieness should have explained as much. Think of the Construct here as a sort of giant play, where you pretend to be a different version of yourself. And just like a play, the more you break character, the more the play unravels, and the narrative makes less and less sense.

2, duh

> Both of you have gone through things the other can't understand, but that's not the point right now. Right now - at this immediate time- your lives and the lives of everyone else depend on you two being able to put this aside so you can escape. Neither of you is doing each other a 'favor', you are helping yourselves and those you care about. Is having the satisfaction of blaming each other worth your own deaths and that of others? If you want out, you'll have to help yourselves by working together.

>"... I am going to make a statement that I feel needs context. 'Feel'. That is the crux of the situation. In the waking world a feeling is something that stays within yourself. Sure, you might *express* a feeling through your actions, but at the end of the day that sensation of burning from anger, the tingle in your spine from happiness, and the pressing weight of melancholy are all the result of a chemical reaction inside your brain that will never truly be parted from your physical being. However: in the dream world this is not the case. Here emotions aren't just an experience: they are a force.

Derrick's Fear lets him perform supernatural feats. Emily's resolve lets her take blows and turn part of it into healing, and her fury gives her super strength though I don't think you've seen that one yet. Lexii's hope gives her miracles. The list goes on and the two of you are included as well, even if you don't realize it yet.

But an emotion is not just a source of power: it is a *force*. It can act against you just as readily as it grants you power. Lucia, your and Derrick's fear can overwhelm you. Emily's resolve can leave her defenseless as a monster tries to kill her. Alice's hate can... well, that one's pretty self-evident, no offense.

All of this preamble is leading to this: Lucia, Alice is not the only person that has born Hate. There is something you can't remember, and even though the knowledge itself is potentially dangerous, while you feel that spot missing from your memories you won't be able to truly move past the force that your emotions are exerting upon you. This will lead to you two being unable to cooperate, which is just as much of a death knell as what you knowing what happened might cause.

So I want you to make a choice Lucia. Do you want to know what happened? These are your memories, and you are the ones who will face the potential ramifications. We can not rightfully make the decision for you. Alice, if she says yes please honestly tell her what you saw and what we told you. We can give reminders if needed."

>Lucia: Remember what you learned about yourself from Vhieness. You know you’re not crazy, but you do know you’re destructive. You know it’s taking a lot out of you to not jump at Alice and destroy her. You’ve heard Alice and her puppet offer some form of truce, while it's certainly odd she's using a puppet to talk, it seems like this is her way of showing you she’s somehow developed a conscience. You don’t think that continuing to fight forever is productive at all. Consider working together, not being friends, but just agreeing to not step on each other’s toes. At least Derrick would be happy if his sister and best friend in the world could get along enough to not be at each other's throats.

Why is everybody trying to help both Alice and Lucia ? Isn't this the perfect opportunity to finally have Lucia get rid of Daydream and end the construct ? Alice clearly went mad a long time ago and shouldn't be trusted in the slightest. Her and Lucia cannot stand each other and having them work together seems very risky

Getting rid of the construct currently will kill Derrick. We are trying to keep the kids alive, so we should not try to end the construct.

omg I forgot Derrick was dead I'm so sorry ok don't break the construct yet

Why is everybody trying to help both Alice and Lucia ? Isn't this the perfect opportunity to finally have Lucia get rid of Daydream and end the construct ? Alice clearly went mad a long time ago and shouldn't be trusted in the slightest. Her and Lucia cannot stand each other and having them work together seems very risky

[... The entire point of Lucidstuck is getting ALL the kids out alive and safe. That includes Daydream/Alice. She is one of them. Despite her issues, she's not actually the villain - she's just a very, very disturbed girl. Who, rather than getting mental help and therapy, instead was forced to watch her brother/obsession/love interest be killed by Lucia due to the UE/the girls' fight. She then immediately went off the deep end and created the Construct to try and figure out how to save her brother. I don't remember how long it's been, but apparently it's been something like years or centuries for her even though it's only been a short time for the other kids in the 'real' dreamworld.

Daydream is an immense resource and a troubled (fucked up) soul we can use to help ensure everyone gets home safely, rescue Derrick/Nightmare, and rescue from herself.
We need the two of them to work together, and right now, Alice is more willing to do that than Lucia, despite that what Lucia's memories have her going through is not nearly as bad as Alice watching Lucia kill her forbidden husbando and then being told she has to work together with her. Anyone I know would rather be carved apart slowly by knives than have to watch their loved one die. Good fucking luck getting them to work together with the person whose hand did the deed. I don't know if she recognizes Lucia didn't mean to or not and maybe that helps - or if it's because she's killed Lucia so often already her revenge is kinda sated.]

[Also, put your posts in brackets that aren't meant to go to the kids. The UE can hear us when we don't do that.]

((Can we first before moving on acknowledge ooc just how <3= romantic Alice's "olive branch" was? Damn.))

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O.I: Both of you have gone through things the other can't understand, but that's not the point right now. Right now - at this immediate time- your lives and the lives of everyone else depend on you two being able to put this aside so you can escape. Neither of you is doing each other a 'favor', you are helping yourselves and those you care about. Is having the satisfaction of blaming each other worth your own deaths and that of others? If you want out, you'll have to help yourselves by working together.
Daydream: See?
Lucia: .........
Ira: Ms. Lucia, I felt the need to remain quiet, but now I must speak up...
Ira: You are behaving very irrational, I encourage you to pause and take a step back.
Lucia: ...........
Daydream: We all understand the gravity of the situation now?
Daydream: shit's fucked up and we all need to unfuck it.
O.I: ... I am going to make a statement that I feel needs context. 'Feel'. That is the crux of the situation. In the waking world a feeling is something that stays within yourself. Sure, you might *express* a feeling through your actions, but at the end of the day that sensation of burning from anger, the tingle in your spine from happiness, and the pressing weight of melancholy are all the result of a chemical reaction inside your brain that will never truly be parted from your physical being. However: in the dream world this is not the case. Here emotions aren't just an experience: they are a force.
O.I: Derrick's Fear lets him perform supernatural feats. Emily's resolve lets her take blows and turn part of it into healing, and her fury gives her super strength though I don't think you've seen that one yet. Lexii's hope gives her miracles. The list goes on and the two of you are included as well, even if you don't realize it yet.
O.I: But an emotion is not just a source of power: it is a *force*. It can act against you just as readily as it grants you power. Lucia, your and Derrick's fear can overwhelm you. Emily's resolve can leave her defenseless as a monster tries to kill her. Alice's hate can... well, that one's pretty self-evident, no offense.
Daydream: It's fine, I understand well enough by now.
O.I: All of this preamble is leading to this: Lucia, Alice is not the only person that has born Hate. There is something you can't remember, and even though the knowledge itself is potentially dangerous, while you feel that spot missing from your memories you won't be able to truly move past the force that your emotions are exerting upon you. This will lead to you two being unable to cooperate, which is just as much of a death knell as what you knowing what happened might cause.
Lucia: ..........
O.I: So I want you to make a choice Lucia. Do you want to know what happened? These are your memories, and you are the ones who will face the potential ramifications. We can not rightfully make the decision for you. Alice, if she says yes please honestly tell her what you saw and what we told you. We can give reminders if needed."
Daydream: Well there you have it, Lucia.
Daydream: The choice is yours. Learn why I hate you and potentially cause a rift in what we're trying to do here.
Daydream: Or hold out for now until we can work things out with everyone else, together.
Lucia: .....
Lucia: Why...
Lucia: Why am I the only one that seems unreasonable...?
Lucia: After all this... It's me who is the problem??
Daydream: What will it be, Lucia?
Lucia: .... I'll leave it be.
Daydream: Good!
Ira: Thank you, Ms. Lucia! OuO
Lucia: If I press on this anymore I feel like something bad will happen.
Lucia: I want to move past this but my feelings won't let me.
Lucia: I will at least try...
Daydream: That's all I ask.
Daydream: Now, we have work to do. Me especially.
Daydream: Don't fuck anything else up more.

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Lucia: .... We're back again.
Ira: ouo
Lucia: Listen, Ira I--
Ira: It's okay, Ms. Lucia.
Ira: Faltering is to be expected. Just rise once again and you will be fine.
Ira: I'm thankful you've found the willingness to put your differences on hold to continue.
Lucia: ....
Lucia: Do you feel what I'm feeling right now, Ira??
Lucia: I feel so...
Ira: Cheated??
Lucia: Yes! That's it!
Lucia: I thought we would be on somewhat similar stances, but for her to play "the bigger man" instantly?
Lucia: It made everything seem so trivial, like "I killed you a bunch of times, but don't worry about that we got other things to do!"
Lucia: Like, bitch I know that but I still feel this way.
Ira: It's understandable that you cannot help it. Feelings are just feelings.
Ira: If you wait for them to come, sit with them and examine them. Then understand why they are what they are and let them pass.
Ira: It's a simple practice that you'll have to pick up, but I'm sure you can do it.
Lucia: ...Y-yeah..
Ira: Also. Did you forget what you were up to?
Lucia: Huh?
Ira: You were so busy earlier, learning all my techniques. eue
Ira: You learned something new.
Lucia: What's that?
Ira: You learned Dark Asylum: The Pitch Black.
Ira: You can use it to create your own little world to bend as you wish. You can visit any time, but for now only you.
Lucia: I can go back there again?
Ira: Yes. If you get a little creative, you can find ways to use it to help you out.
Lucia: Great. For now let's go see what Emily wanted from us.
Ira: Okay.

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Lucia: Hey Emily, what's going on?
Lucia: And... Uilos??
Uilos: Greetings, Lucia.
Emily: Lucia..!! Are you alright?
Lucia: Yes... Sorta...
Lucia: Why did you want to see me?
Emily: There's something we have to talk about.
Emily: But I think this discussion would be better with Lucas.
Emily: Come with me to go see him!
Lucia: ....
Lucia: I don't know.
Emily: ...?
Lucia: Some things have happened and there's just a lot I don't know anymore. I need to talk to Reggie.
Lucia: If it's alright with you?
Emily: ...

1. You think that it's important to go right away
2. Let Lucia talk to Reggie