The Wander Island Incident - Night Four - Five For One [13/21]

That's what I would do

Don’t like that

What a nice, safe thing to say, AC.

Listen-

I understand the skepticism, but try not to get carried away. I'm not advocating a "lets kill Justice" movement, I'm just trying to say "I don't like this" and pointing at the thing I don't like. So that people know what I'm thinking. Maybe even drag a lurker who has said literally zero out of hiding. If you guys don't like that, that's fine too.

But as of right now, I mostly want to know if anyone has any information regarding a "Siren" role and have some people comment on the Legendary Q lynch. If any one has any information they want to provide regarding those two things, that would be peachy.

That's what I would do

Don’t like that

I'm just trying to say "I don't like this" and pointing at the thing I don't like. So that people know what I'm thinking.

Erm... yeah, same! Literally!

What hot fresh new info did you gain from Reyweld's flip then?

Also why are you singling out Justice Watch's survival as suspect and not say, Slorange or anyone else?

Erm... yeah, same! Literally!

Except I also said a bunch of other stuff.

This entire time, including day one, you've more or less contributed with nothing to say. A "we should do this obvious thing" here, a votals post there, generally you've been making a lot of posts, but they've been all very passive and mostly had zero content in it.

It's like you're trying to look active while providing as little reads/info as possible so nothing ties back to you.

If you really wanted to say you didn't like me, maybe you could have, I dunno, done something like this:

Vote: awkwardcarapace

and voted for me.

Because such behavior on it's own isn't usually enough to warrant me wanting you lynched, but considering your "ehh I don't want to lynch day 1" attitude and then slipping onto the Legendary Q lynch at the last moment to ensure it happens, while trying to defend your own contradictory reasoning for voting, makes me view you in a negative light.

((Like seriously look at this post:))

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What can I say, generally I just don't like D1 lynches - it's just there's not much To Go On if you know what I'm saying. My preference to stay voteless. But I WILL say it's been a pretty interesting D1 and my attitude towards it has flippened pretty hard and to be honest, it's really close to a Q lynch so I'm just gonna go ahead and vote: LegendaryQ

So aC, in the very least: give me some opinions please. Primarily, I want to know what you think about Solaris, Schazer and Numbers right now.

Also why are you singling out Justice Watch's survival as suspect and not say, Slorange or anyone else?

...alright i'm not gonna die on this hill you're right
I just want Justice to start talking honestly, get people playing the game

I will say that Slorange did have that spiel with Granola with the Caesar & gladiatorial fluff which I have no idea what that was about, but it certainly was something at least. But then there's Schazer who... said basically nothing.

But at least those two have kinda made the promise that they'd start contributing come day 2. Justice, not so much.

My point still stands that any of them surviving the night is slightly scummy, let alone all of them.


Speaking of which, Looking back on the Reyweld posts, I can see that the only person they really voted for was indeed, Q. They were vocal about being against a Schazer lynch and were a bit insistent on wanting to know more about Jacq's reasoning of "Solaris is obvious scum"

Their flip is actually shockingly not that useful at an immediate glance from me, I think I just assumed they would have more info considering how talkative and active they were yesterday.

So aC, in the very least: give me some opinions please.

Alright - here's what I think about you

We're playing a game would you like to join us

it's fun, see, watch what happens when I do this:
Lynch: Justice Watch

Anyway for my hot take, I think Granola and Schazer are both town because they're both making an effort to do provocative shit to try and drag town out of RVS.

Can I say I totally disagree with you there? Up to that point, Schazer had contributed with jokes and I'm pretty sure Granola was trying to make the 5th "3 person bandwagon" happen (behavior that I am not entirely a fan of, for the record.)

speaking of which

Unvote because I don't think anyone's gonna take the blatantly obvious bait of voting on Justice

I don't understand this at all. What were you waiting for?

Oh, I meant that whoever was going to be the 3rd vote on Justice would cause the 5th 3-vote bandwagon and would have probably been ripped into for it and that would have provoked some interesting responses and drag us out of RVS

it's kinda pointless now and it's also now blatantly obvious bait that no-one's gonna dive in on unless it's for a joke and I'd rather not have the conversation derailed by a joke

This really is a confusing series of posts that have kind of made me go "huh" in D1. That whole thing about being "not entirely a fan of" the "5th 3-person-bandwagon" and then... doing it yourself... unless I'm missing out on some irony here that is Absolutely No Bueno. Never really paid very much attention to it 'till now but better late than never, especially since that weird intense Justice Watch obsession has carried over to D2!

So I've kinda just resigned myself to the fact that a day 1 lynch is just not gonna happen. Still gonna be annoyed when the most silent person (read: Justice Watch) gets killed by the maf tonight

And let's not forget this whole conversation was spurred on by me looking at the last line of your post up there and just saying "don't like that", to which you responded with (the weirdly explosive) #301 - I've looked through your entire post history in this game and you barely mention me (if, at all) in a negative light previously to this. It seems you took offense to my comment. And a wise man once said...

Anyway Numbers, the guide also says "Resist the urge to defend everything you do excessively" and it's right.
You should be alright with people saying you're scummy, ultimately you should be alright with maybe getting lynched. People dying in the day gives town more information than people dying at night, people voting and talking about you gives you links with other people that make it easier for them to trust or distrust you later (even if the things they are saying about you are bad).
It is way more important to dedicate your energy to talking about who people should vote for instead of you than it is to justifying your behaviour. Don't write big paragraphs about it. Appearing to be very frightened of being killed isn't a town tell.

Just saying.
(And the irony is not lost on me because I just used that quote in a quotewall!)

Also, here's what you ordered:

Primarily, I want to know what you think about Solaris, Schazer and Numbers right now.

Solaris - gay
Schazer - intially scum read, now townie
Numbers - scum

Oh yeah, I just realized I didn't answer seedy's question!

@ac answer my question that I asked. also your position of “my only scumreads are the people everyone else already said was bad” is weird. also do you still think pushing for a d1 lynch hard is suspicious.

(For reference their question was about who I thought was pushing a D1 lynch suspiciously hard - to that I say Airey & seedy (u))

And, well, sorry that my reads are the common ones...? It's not like I'm going to choose someone wild as scum just to be contrarian - and besides, if more people think the same person is scum, there's a more of a chance that they're right. :P (or they all got played super hard.)

Yea I still think pushing D1 lynch hard is sussy

Scrub scrub scrub scrub....






....Oh hheeeeeyyyyyy guuuuyyyys, what's going on in heeeere?

I've been a little busy with my passions lately. But the good news is, the entire western wing is now spotless! These meetings sure go on and on, don't they?

I can't say I'm to happy about the corpses that are showing up. Plural. And I understand that this is very important research and all, but I would highly appreciate it if who/whatever is doing that would stop? Especially the one sucking souls, that sounds MUCH more dangerous than a group of scum who can apparently only kill one person at a time.

Which, isn't to say they're not both dangerous, but I would like to make that one a priority, so people don't die as fast.

bleeaaaugh

bleaugh on both of you two
no opinions on my incredibly unusual hounding and obsession towards you, Justice? Or anything???


You're misinterpreting my posts however, aC.

I was trying to be clever with leaving my vote on Justice (which was actually on Sai at the time, I was actually being a colossal idiot and forgetting where my vote was) because I was participating in a current 2-man bandwagon while there was four 3-man bandwagons. Whomever decided to jump into creating the fifth 3-man bandwagon by voting Justice would of been in my opinion, scummy, which would have prompted a discussion that would take us out of the "RVS stage" of the game. I unvoted because at that point, we had left the RVS stage and it was pointless. I said this day one, but I don't think I was clear enough, evidently.

And I "exploded" on you because had no reason to really go after you Day One. But in light of Legendary Q's flip, I have reason to suspect you now. I said this on post #304 on this very page.



anyway the vote still stands for now. At the moment, this is the hill I will gladly die on. Your nature is passive and then defensive, I don't like your vote, I don't like how you immediately went to picking apart my posts in your defense, I hate your reads on those three I asked for

(side note is the "solaris is gay" thing an in-joke i wasn't around for? or are you just parroting what jacq said)

You haven't convinced me of much and your further posts Day 2 have immediately rubbed me the wrong way. Take that as you will, I'm not commenting further on this until there's further discussion from people other than us two.

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SpoileryAY WE'RE PLAYING MAFIA

i should probably at least minimum check in before sleeping today. I had a flavorful but mechanically uneventful night. Just from lightly following the events so far without really scrounging, I don't know if I have a super strong opinion about people at the moment because like, I have a hard time forming opinions based on arguments alone without like, at least one piece of mechanics based claiming, which doesn't tend to come out this early so, y'know.

I think at the moment I'm leaning towards distrusting BlazerC? Maybe? Starting with the whole 'If I were scum this is what I'd do' stuck out as odd and I still don't totally understand a lot of the justification for the suspicion, I suppose. which i guess was later described as "incredibly unusual" by their own words???? Is this a weird gambit? Never was any good with weird gambits.

“If I were scum, this is what I would do” is literally how you play this game and identify scum.

I was iffy about aC on grounds that I would have quickly let go yesterday and will more slowly let go now that they’ve had time to justify themselves but instead when asked for opinions, wrote a reflexive wall purely discussing the person asking them questions and nobody else.
Tell us something, anything. I know it’s early but just adopt some strong opinions and be willing to drop the, again later.

But don’t adopt “it’s bad to lynch day one” because that’s a scum team opinion.

I will write a bigger post and have a look and see if i learned anything from the flips and vote for someone when i’m not typing with an ipad.

Good job whoever’s shooting lurkers.

Also Dini I love you and I guess it will get easier as more people die but please love yourself wrt writing flavour in people’s quicktopics that a lot of people won’t bother to read after the game except the people you wrote it for ; -,

No I mean like it read more like criticising the scum than trying to figure out why such a move would be made. That's what read as weird. Not like, yes. Yes trying to determine how scum will act is how to play yes.

My read of that line is “by virtue of not being dead this person has become more suspicious”.
If they continue not to contribute but continue to be alive then it implies there’s a reason mafia aren’t taking a “free” kill which won’t teach us anything, that reason being that they know that person is coaligned.
Its not criticism of the scum team but a note of something to think about in three days time. It’s weak reasoning in day two but I think it is worth keeping in mind for the future.

Don't know if I agree mind, that would be a weird night one move, but I don't see how this discussion could be a scum tell.

you see, as scum on Night 1, I would be enticed to kill a player who has provided very little useful conversation/reads/votes during Day 1 to provide as little information as possible to the town

A lurker easily fits that bill

I would be less inclined to kill that lurking player if they were also aligned with me, however, for obvious reasons.

Do you see my point?

Tell us something, anything. I know it’s early but just adopt some strong opinions and be willing to drop the, again later.

Here they come! The opinions!
Very towny: CB, Jacq, Sai, Acio
Kinda towny: Schaz, BlazerC*, Pala
Ambiguityland: seedy, TehPilot, RL, jwatch, NTA, Granola
Scummish: Airey, Numbers, SleepingOrange, Solaris????????

*At this point, I'm not gonna discount the (very likely) possibility that townie-infighting is happening. I figure what Blazer's doing is an incredibly ballsy move if they're a maf, right? Going out of their way to take down a particular person/leading a lynch? The contents of their posts are reading super scummy to me but the way they're going about doing it... I dunno

**I also don't have any STRONG scum reads (unless my Plausible Deniability gut feeling about blazer is wrong)

But don’t adopt “it’s bad to lynch day one” because that’s a scum team opinion.

Ack... well, it's still my true feelings on the topic, but if it makes a less confusing D1 then I am willing to change my mind

Hey, just to catch up and address some Me stuff from yesterday that I didn't have the time to answer at the time.

How's that look to you wrt them volunteering an answer; NTA wasn't in my direct asks

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SpoilerI mean it's a slight towntell to get involved in conversations you don't have to, but that's mostly when it's done in a meaningful way. I didn't, and don't, feel like NTA really added anything or was trying to add anything and nothing was really moved forward by them doing so.

Also, and this is smaller issue for reasons including 'well now you can just say that for anything', but once I said I thought it was a towntell other people doing the same (and honestly I noticed it a few times after from other people in less notable ways) it became less of one.

Second point, the light townread was nice but my post asking about assuming townfirms based on a lynch was a semi-sarcastic response to a Reyweld post trying to draw out suspicious responses, not an honest question.

What are your thoughts on Jaq?

Other thoughts:

- I'd like someone to explain the BlazerC is scum case to me, by someone I mean Solaris or Schazer.
- I don't like how Numbers claimed just because Q did but I could kind of understand they might have been worried about votes suddenly going their way in the last half hour.
- I had a good feeling about Jaq's first post but then he goes into just coaching Numbers for the next few which pinged as kind of weird for me. I don't think it's scum coaching scum, it was way too late in the day to suddenly be doing that, but there were enough other things they could be commenting on like the sudden Blazer votes or the Reyweld question that just focusing on Numbers like that makes me like them less and conversely Numbers a little more.

Now for today:

Also why are you singling out Justice Watch's survival as suspect and not say, Slorange or anyone else?

Why are you singling out Blazer's nonmention of Slorange and not say, TehPilot or anyone else?

(Please someone continue the chain but also I kind of want to hear the answer joke or not.)

Also do not like aC's responses! I also don't like Blazer's post attacking/voting them for its overfocus but I do that shit all the time so I feel like I don't have a right to judge (also unlike almost everyone apparently I otherwise felt pretty good about him to this point).

Solaris - gay
Schazer - intially scum read, now townie
Numbers - scum

aC but why? Throwing out vague reads and comments is one of the reasons you look shady, and is explicitly what Blazer is calling you out on, and your answer to a question about reads is this? Explain in further detail please.

Would vote aC here but instead I mean, Vote: Justice Watch. Seriously, I don't have issues against roleplaying (especially in a crazy flavour game, A+ so far Mirdini), but this isn't an RPG. Stuff is going on and you need to comment about it or I'll start to think Blazer might have a point!

Justice Watch, aC, please actually talk about things in depth and with detail. Start with the Q wagon if nothing else.

By which I mean I disagree completely with Blazer's scum logic post. Denying reads is one thing, but ultimately I feel like eliminating active (therefore more dangerous) players over lurkers who will just eat up town's attention is the more natural move.

Robust Laser, when you're back from sleep could you also comment on the Q wagon?

I still don't totally understand a lot of the justification for the suspicion, I suppose. which i guess was later described as "incredibly unusual" by their own words???? Is this a weird gambit? Never was any good with weird gambits.

I'm trying to like... justify this in my head think of why?? Did Blazer somehow gain information before D1 started that jwatch was important and must be taken out or something? In the quicktopic flavortext (very well written, by the way) perhaps? It's not making a lot of sense

What makes me in particular very towny? Can you give me some more detail?
That one's interesting to me because I posted very little on day one and was the last vote on the lynch which turned out to be a player which the scum team would not have known wasn't town, at a very late hour where people wouldn't be able to react to it.
What makes Airey scum, and what's the difference between your read on Slorange and your read on Schazer?

That's a bit better now but I'd also like to know why you think those things.

aC now focusing on the whys of Justice Watch because of Blazer is almost as weird as watching Blazer focus on it.

Also, if you feel like everything Blazer is doing is super suspicious, and you can't really justify why it makes sense as town, why do you have them as a townish read instead of, you know, voting for them? Is it literally just because town infighting is likely to happen in these games?

the awkwardCarapace/BlazerC echange feels weird to me and im currently biased against BlazerC. i think that in the legeandaryq wagon tehpilot is the most opportunistic and blazerC is the other one i feel could be scum with lesser emphathis on either granola or schazer.

i dont know if pharms was a vig kill, but if it was its certainly one thats interesting, i think its more likely that theres a third party killer of some kind though, as the narwhal is swingy in terms of like, balancey kill stuff, and its only one kill

more thoughts on why i thought blazerC is scum when i go back and read the thread again

ok reading back i think that blazerC is scum because they've acted extremely panicky for no reason about the most weird things, most notably all the stuff from around here with Sai is some bizarre like, "oh actually i should stop committing to this so that this doesnt bite me back later"

awkwardCarapace do you have questionmarks on me specifically or question marks on all your scum reads and why am i special if its the former

Also why are you singling out Justice Watch's survival as suspect and not say, Slorange or anyone else?

Why are you singling out Blazer's nonmention of Slorange and not say, TehPilot or anyone else?

Why are you singling out CB's nonmention of TehPilot and not say,

What makes me in particular very towny? Can you give me some more detail?
That one's interesting to me because I posted very little on day one and was the last vote on the lynch which turned out to be a player which the scum team would not have known wasn't town, at a very late hour where people wouldn't be able to react to it.
What makes Airey scum, and what's the difference between your read on Slorange and your read on Schazer?

In general your posts have been pretty lengthy/comprehensive (as have Sai's + Acio's), you've dipped your toe into many different conversations and you generally seem to have an aura of "I know what I'm doing" about you. The fact that you appeared late in the game doesn't matter as much to me because you were active then and are active now - it's all good in my book.

Airey I did not look favorable upon because of their insistence of pushing a D1 lynch upon slorange, as well as the general Shitpost Aura surrounding them (coupled with the fact that they didn't post too much) - it does not make me very confident in their town-ness, seems kind of sketch
(Also, after rereading I'm going to reconsider and upgrade slorange to Ambiguityland. This is because of, well, see above - I realize now it wouldn't make much sense if one scum member was trying to accuse another of chickening out on a lynch in public, and the fact that they didn't post much in D1 either muddles the issue further)
I know that those reads probably seem backward to a lot of you guys 'cause "trying to dodge a D1 lynch is a more scum move" and insisting a lynch is more productive town-wise... but, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ it's what I think at least, and I don't feel extremely strongly about these particular reads!

Schaz - originally I was like "well that's not very helpful" in regards to the D1 Is Bad posts so the read was not positive at the time, but I'm willing to accept that she may be a bit towny because later on near the tail end of the Day she seemed to commit more (which she actually said in her own post). Whether this will actually be followed through with remains to be seen! I will say her ambiguous and kind of sparse posts past a certain point put her in jeapordy of being in Ambiguityland, though. Bias against BlazerC does kind of put her slightly in favor though, lmao

Explain in further detail please. Start with the Q wagon if nothing else.

Oh yeah, that thing. Practically nobody knew Q's true identity, which kind of makes this a grab bag of votes. Early voters were jokes (Reyweld, Granola), which I'll disregard. That leaves TehPilot, Blazer, Jacq, Solaris and me. TehPilot's vote seems... like... almost entirely out of the blue? Their post surrounding it is only tangientally related to the vote, too. Sussy. Blease post more

Feeling fine about the rest of the people on the wagon since they Craved Information and a lynch. It still kind of surprises me the Q lynch ended up happening, not totally sure how it all came together like that. Life works in mysterious ways

aC now focusing on the whys of Justice Watch because of Blazer is almost as weird as watching Blazer focus on it.

Also, if you feel like everything Blazer is doing is super suspicious, and you can't really justify why it makes sense as town, why do you have them as a townish read instead of, you know, voting for them? Is it literally just because town infighting is likely to happen in these games?

The cycle of jwatch never ends...! Maybe this was their plan all along, to cause all this commotion (by posting NOTHING!!!!!)

If you couldn't tell already I'm a very Wait-And-See kind of player so I'm Waiting and Seeing - the hunch is there, it's just not super strong enough yet. (And yes, town infighting is a factor too.)

[shuffling papers, wiping brow] ...whew!