Nostalgfia - GAME OVER SCUM WIN

ah yeah good catch

I got a pog++ and some honey @mirdini.

so either Pharms is lying here or the item I wanted to give her didn't reach her, COOL INFO SCUM REDIRECTION CONFIRMED 2018?

also apparently honey is a night-only consumption item which makes me pretty sad

(it wasn't the gun, don't worry)

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh actually hold that thought, I'm reading QT words and

did I get *shot* last night?

okay false alarm, I did hand it out and Pharms would've been notified if they'd gotten it no matter what.

first post re: 'either it got swooped away from Pharms or Pharms is lying about having received a thing or not' stands

anyhow almost feeling comfortable enough to vote for N-O now, unless anyone thinks we still need to debate a bunch of stuff.

If N-O flips scum, remaining scum's almost definitely in the Reyweld-RL-Pharmacy Zone, with scum redirection apparently confirmed I'd lean towards it being RL, though it may also be Pharms. If I'm dead and Wheat blows up on Pharms/RL

Votes

Nercania-Orccelga: (1) (Schazer)
Abstaining: (7) (Wheat, Reyweld, Nercania-Orccelga, Palamedes, Pharmacy, Robust Laser, Palamedes)

It takes 5 to lynch, there is no longer a soft lynch. Deadline is July 21st, 11 PM CST ~103 hours from now.

I guess maybe someone try to get me an antidote tonight, even if it seems likely that scum redirection will just swoop it away from me.

Before I go though: Palamedes, why'd you "throw junk" at the incredibly scummy CSJ n2?

@mirdini I DID got a third item but I don't want to say it out loud unless I'm dumb and all thieves are actually gone.

@mirdini I DID got a third item but I don't want to say it out loud unless I'm dumb and all thieves are actually gone.

oh ok cool, yeah thanks that's what I was asking. I'm 99% sure all the thieves are gone but you shouldn't say what it is anyway.

No scum busdriver, probably!? that does still leave aC's visiting CSJ/a52 on Night 2 unsolved, though, so.... maybe still scum redirection?

honestly I'm kind of baffled as to why Pala threw 'junk' at CSJ on n2 when CSJ was probably the next day's lynch already, and it's making me side-eye his claim, idk

then again I'm also kinda baffled as to why Reyweld decided to investigate Nercania-Orccelga when he was kind of dead in the water and investigating him wouldn't help clear up the real big question of 'who is scum in RL/Reyweld/Pharmacy'

but Reyweld's also relatively new to mafia I think(?) so might've been well-intentioned

hmmmmmmmrgh

anyway redoing my 'what if dini dies' thoughts bc scum redirection less confirmed yet still possible now?

All the following is assuming N-O flips scum item crafter, which I feel is very likely

similar sitch: scum are very probably in the RL/Reyweld/Pharmacy zone, in descending order. I'd wait for Reyweld's results tomorrow before any desperadoing, Wheat. Palamedes is also still not confirmed town, so it's still *possible* that he's playing the Longest Con and all of RL/Reyweld/Pharms are town and Pala is actually the deepest cover scum redirection pal ever. This seems unlikely, however, since a52 saw him on two separate nights and by all accounts the people targeted by him didn't have the actions targeting them go somewhere else.

We have confirmation of my role, Wheat's role, Pharmacy's role, Schazer's role.

Remaining non-confirmed roles are Laser, Palamedes & Reyweld - so if Reyweld picks one of those two to check and gets a different result (or *lies* about getting a different result and you kill 'em and then it turns out Reyweld lied) that's pretty relevant information. (Hi theoretical town Reyweld, you should probably check Laser or Palamedes).

anyhow gonna Vote: Nercania-Orccelga because man am I getting tired of all the uncertainties in this game

(and also tired of the basically Double Kill mafia have been getting with all this poison floating around, yeesh)

(Hi theoretical town Reyweld, you should probably check Laser or Palamedes).

Theoretical town Pharmacy, please don't target any of the suspect people

@schazer: I will not redirect those two guys.

Vote: Nercania-Orccelga hmmaaaaaaaaaagh.

Yours truly:

TTP (theoretical town pharmacy)

Votes

Nercania: (3) (Schazer, Mirdini, Pharmacy)

Abstaining: (5) ( Wheat, Reyweld, Nercania-Orccelga, Palamedes, Robust Laser)

It takes 5 to lynch, there is no longer a soft lynch. Deadline is July 21st, 11 PM CST ~102 hours from now.

goooonna unvote and wait for Pala to get back to answer Wheat things

although Pala's claim does explain why he could use a magnifying glass on D2 even though I tried to roleblock him N1

and Spoids didn't try to steal anything so she wouldn't have noticed my blocking (since her inventory check apparently pre-empted all other actions)

My flavour is 1859, the year of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's birth, author of Sherlock Holmes.

Sigh

This is what I get for trying to be clever.

1) I targeted sunspider because I thought they were scum, and if I got shot I'd love someone I dont like to die over someone I do. I lied about the copping because I wanted to both bait scum into shooting me (either because towncred or they thought my caginess about the item name meant I was a legit cop), didn't want town sending items or protection to people I'm trying to redirect kills to, and having to continue to come up with cop checks day after day would have at best just misled town or led to me trueclaiming early and not making the best of my role.

2 & 3) I said I didn't redirect to CSJ, but I lied about that because I wanted scum to think my charging mechanism was easily solvable. I actually managed to pop off four redirections so far. Night two's target was CSJ, I believe that is why your bullets got sent where you didn't want them and aC visited the wrong person.

I also targeted seedy last, figuring either they and/or Pharmacy were lying scum who'd get caught or that if I got targetted and seedy was being driven it'd hit someone dubious instead of potentially getting directed back to seedy and invalidating the protection.

oooookay yeah alright HEY ANTIDOTE-HAVERS I realize I've stressed this point a bunch already but please consider saving me now that we're fairly sure there isn't any scum redirection

Vote: Nercania-Orccelga

Wait why are we sure of that? Is it because we're pretty sure Pharms is town or because we know she's town?

How did seedy die then. I guess someone took a hit on akumu? I shouldn't had called out my attacks last day.

Option one: they banked on you shooting Akumu, maybe having a role that's a cross between the two of us to be safe (one way busdriver).

Option two: You are scum, and either shot Akumu knowing it'd go to seedy or didn't and (likely) shot me, which then bounced to seedy.

If Pharms is scum yeah there's a scum redirector, but I'm willing to bet she isn't because all of her previous busdrivings checked out and Sunspider was a lyncher for her and in general I think Robust Laser & Reyweld are more suspicious.

Reyweld bc of the earlier rolecop -> CSJ role knowledge + Solaris death thing, RL because of a general unprovability of the role + that roleclaim being perfect for setting up a chain of mislynches.

as mentioned earlier I think it's not impossible scum shot Akumu hoping it'd redirect to Seedy, because they knew a couple of things:

Seedy was one of Pharms' targets.

Schazer wasn't one of Pharms' targets, I wasn't one of Pharms' targets (iirc both of us said 'don't bus me'?), Nercania-Orccelga probably wasn't one of Pharms's targets (since that's who she announced before we pointed out she shouldn't announce it).

That left Reyweld, RL, Akumu, Wheat, Palamedes as possible bussing targets (assuming Pharms cannot bus herself). Of those, Pharms would presumably want scum shooting Seedy to try to call a bluff or something to redirect a safety kill onto Akumu. And because Akumu was confirmed scum, surely scum wouldn't shoot him just to try to guess-shoot Seedy.

So I think it's possible they logic'd out that Pharms was more likey to bus Seedy with Akumu than anyone else and gave shooting in that direction a shot.

Mirdini if Reyweld is scum and Pharms isnt explain how you got a second bomb (which Pharms would have had to bus off of Reyweld onto you). I doubt scum would actively sabotage their own players (unless you think the items given are based on the alignment of the people they are sent to and not somewhat predetermined).

This... is a fair point that I forgot to address but consider scum Reyweld that wants to get bomb’d scenario::

if Reyweld really is a straightup Mafia Role Cop he’s sorta done everything he needs to wrt his role already. Many folks had claimed, they got the town doctor n2 due to checks + had a bead on two town vigs that weren’t shooting anyone + had two town investigatives and a town item crafter dead.. He can’t be forced to lie about his checks and get caught doing so or alternatively confirm more town/implicate his scum teammates if he’s been bomb’d.

I do think the second bomb hitting me is evidence to support he’s town maybe, but I don’t think it’s super strong evidence either for the above reason.

+ the general wine of getting bomb’d. Same argument holds for scum!Robust Laser.

Of course scum could also have just bombed someone else and just *pretend* they’d been bombed to cause even more worry in the town, but thst risks running into other roles somehow being able to verify they never got a bomb (such as Spoids’ thief role, because bombs do sit in your inventory until the following morning as far as I can tell).