Nostalgfia - GAME OVER SCUM WIN

Oh yeah keep forgetting CSJ was a godfather re: check stuff but also a52 saw *himself* visit *himself* on n2 (after targeting CSJ) so he was definitely redirected off of CSJ back onto himself (and so, presumably, was that half of robottobt's check).

so like pharms is probably a driver, with alignment being mostly called into question, afaik dini's alignment seems probably town unless--

okay so like if pharms is scum, some of these claims seem a little too helpful -- the n4 swap, which would put dini in the clear, which like, if pharms is town, that would confirm dini as town, right? But if pharms is scum, then I don't necessarily know what that would mean. A claim in order to protect a scumbuddy? Just giving accurate information in an attempt to appear town and not get counterclaims??? Pharms town + Dini town would = reyweld scum and... somebody else. I still lean n-o as final scum.

this of course all relies on like, the one piece of information that i know to be true that nobody else is sure if i'm telling the truth about, mind you.

Hi not a lot of time but.

1) My item was the magnifying glass. I was being purposely cagey about it in order to try and bait a kill because
2) I am a charging self redirector. I pick a target and anyone targeting me hits them instead, but I can't use it two nights in a row.

Night one I redirected to Sunspider.
Night two I threw junk at CSJ.
Night three I redirected to Robo.
Night four I had nothing so did nothing.

I thought you (Mirdini) just had the one check but if there were two verifying checks then yeah Laser is doubly my favourite target. Reyweld, you, and Wheat would look a lot better in that case, and n-o would probably be one of the remaining scum. Laser town could mean Pharmacy scum?

i'd really like to get lucky and hit a maf but like, i guess if i'm hit it'd at least confirm that my reyweld-pharms-dini invest is true. I'm certainly starting to reconsider the fact that I'm like, trusting Mirdini so heavily, as like, I feel like I am being very firmly led and that could certainly be a ploy but like. I dunno. How in trouble are we if like, wheatkill + lynch = 1 scum and 1 town dead

I mean, wheatkill + lynch is by all accounts 3 people dead, including 1 town for sure - at least from what wheat has suggested they have a desperado, which means they kill themselves in order to daykill another player.

We currently have 8 players alive - Wheat, Mirdini, Robust Laser, Pharmacy, Schazer, Reyweld, Nercania-Orccelga, Palamedes.

So we're either down 1 town and 2 scum, or 2 town and 1 scum, or 3 town at the end of the day.

In Scenario 1 we win. In Scenario 2 things are kinda dicey, but (assuming if I'm alive I get an antidote in the night, and scum get a kill off and there aren't any others) we'd be down to 4-person MYLO tomorrow. In Scenario 3 in the exceptional case of no deaths tonight we'd be down to a 5-person LYLO tomorrow. In Scenario 3 if any townie dies in the night (and no scum), town loses immediately.

What makes wheat look bad (or at least need to appear better)? Aside from scumhunting techniques I'm not fond of.

Did anyone receive a pog++ in the night? Because that could indicate my Akumu-shooting got redirected.

I received it. I also opened a present (at this juncture, poison would not matter to me) to receive a Combat Knife, which passively blocks roleblocks 50% of the time.

The canine vessel of mine attempted to eat One Bees item, but the delight from Turkey in my its mouth did not allow it.

Your pog++ is probably not my pog++, assuming Pharmacy is telling the truth mine has probably gone to Seedy.

Also uuuuuuuh does that mean someone tried to kill Akumu last night or does that confirm either a) Pharms is lying b) there was another (scum) redirector on Seedy/Akumu and scum did something funky???? Because the longer I think about the latter the less it makes sense

Edit: I'm optioning not to say what I did last night for what I feel are obvious reasons (pouring some wine for scum), but if necessary to figure out the game state I can say what I did.

as I stated in the ol' 'here is the claimed mechanical info' post for Schazer, here are Seedy's checks:

n1 - Mirdini and Solaris - Aligned. I did this so I could make a silly breadcrumbing joke the next day, and also to try and get a grip on who I could trust in this game. with Solaris dead, and the possibility of the godfather role being doubled like so many others remaining a distant star, we arrive at the reason I have been so awfully overly trusting and defensive of Mirdini.
n2 - Akumu and Sunspider--blocked by Mirdini, naturally. ah, sweet betrayal! I lied about the Pog++ thing so I could talk about this, though I did attempt to hand him a Fedora, which failed--yet not knowing if Robot told me that I "tried" but wasn't able to was because I was roleblocked or because I just truly was incapable of such actions, I chose to make it about the Pog++ (which I possessed).
n3 - Sunspider and awkwardcarapace - Different. ac having died in the night, we can now acknowledge a guilty on Sunspider. I regret not pushing for her lynch yesterday, yet without her checking in even once it seemed a fruitless, boring lynch which I rejected in favor of the confusing, self-contradictory figure which I thought most surely was no true reflection of my own self.
n4 - Akumu and Reyweld - Different. Reyweld swapped with Mirdini by Pharmacy, alas! yet perhaps in doing this a clearer guilty.

and now--we are all caught up with the present. what amounts to a guilty on two parties, and in the group of Reyweld-Pharmacy-Robust Laser surely someone whose lying tongue betrays them. (wheat's comment that a cop should distrust RL is not untrue--but for the fact that they forget a cop may have much more clear guilties to pursue before the interrogation of matters of game balance!)

so yeah, I have at least the N1 Solaris/Myself check to clear me, assuming y'all believe Pharms and her claimed n1 bussing. Which would be more corroborated if Wheat didn't target themselves n1.

@Wheat: I think you did mention it on D2 after a52 claimed his check, but when you were using your role action did you naturally also target yourself? If not, did you pick AgentBlue (now Reyweld) as one of your targets that night? Bc if so then presumably Pharms is also telling the truth bc a52 saw you visit yourself n1.

I'm maybe leaning more towards Pharmacy scum than Laser scum at this point (we're supposed to believe the mafia shot at Akumu in hopes of a lucky shot? I mean, he was dying of poison, but...), but then again we don't know what role Laser might have if he's lying.

Also Pala what did you do last night, Night 5? It's Day 6, despite the thread title saying otherwise.

I think it's *conceivable* scum went 'fuck it' and long-shot shot Akumu as the possible Pharms redirection target (confirmed scum, town!Pharms could have reasoned 'no way they'll shoot their own confirmed teammate' and they could've wined that)

Pharmacy could be too, yeah. Plus I mean, Pharmacy's flip would likely point towards Laser's alignment one way or another.

But yeah I guess at this point I'm actually leaning towards Laser/N-O being our final scum? Only thing that's making me leery of trusting that too much is the whole 'how/why did CSJ gloat on D3 about Schaz's role being 'not just mason' before Schaz claimed that' and 'Reyweld's N1 check being Solaris sure makes Sol dying n2 super suspicious'

Current intuition is that there are 2 scum remaining and one third party poisoner, which would create a crisis. This is the reasoning for why I earlier stated I shall put off my final play for 24 hours. If you, mirdini, surely are dead tomorrow, then that shall be settled with opportunity presented to me to drag another down with me to the depths.

Fair enough, but also, I'm kinda hoping I receive an antidote in the night at this point @_@

also was figuring you meant 24 Real Time Hours, not 24 in-game hours.

re: pala not wanting to say last night's dealie, yeah fair enough, wine good

We've still got the direct contradiction between Pharms and Sunspider about seeing poison in Pharms' inventory also

god i really wish that murderbeam could go on pharms and we could use the remaining part of the day to like, talk about what that means

oh wait it's not an irl 24 hours??

Vote: Pharmacy then.

Like unless Pharmacy was Sunspider's lyncher target Sunspider had zero reason to lie about seeing poison? Unless ofc Pharms is town and got busdriven by the scum driver the night of the check

Also Reyweld possibly being scum makes me a bit leery of a Vote: Nercania-Orccelga, but considering they're the remaining very strong scum suspect at this point I can definitely believe a scum!Reyweld claiming a strictly correct rolecop on him to get towncred for the vital Day 7 that's coming up.

Tips for Tonight: Pharms please don't bus me with anyone assuming you trust any of me/my roleclaim which Seedy backed up/the two non-mafia checks on me (definitely accurate in your books if you're town unless N-O is actually a busdriver/redirector and Reyweld is lying or RL is lying and is actually some sorta redirector oooor Palamedes is lying and is a redirector/busdriver, but I think all of these scenarios are Pretty Unlikely (with the RL Actually Busdriver world being the closest to real, maybe) so I can get an antidote maybe.

Everyone should hand a useless item to another player if they can for tracking reasons (I can't, turns out Turkish Delight Roleblocks are different from Bomb blocks which just stop your 'night action' and similar to the actual Roleblocker role also prevent item actions), and hope we all make it through the night. Who knows, maybe scum will manage to shoot themselves due to town!pharms bus powers and we win the game that way.

Tomorrow if I *am* dead look at the Reyweld/RL/Pharms trifecta for the scum since *someone* in the trio is presumably lying, I'd say probably either Reyweld or RL over Pharmacy (despite Seedy dying) but if I'm dead it'll be up to y'all.

We've still got the direct contradiction between Pharms and Sunspider about seeing poison in Pharms' inventory also

I'm 99% sure Pharms was Sunspider's lyncher target, yeah. Sunspider was pulling a hail mary on lynching her yesterday, and if you look back at Good Old Day 2 Spoids was also trying to pressure Pharms back then, too.

Which is why I was super up on town Pharms after Spoids flipped (usually lynchers are targeting town or other third parties, having them target scum makes them quasi-town).

Now I'm not so sure and kinda worry about a Sunspider Lyncher that had her target decided randomly at game-start which could mean scum!Pharms is still possible but... still kinda doubt it

Like unless Pharmacy was Sunspider's lyncher target Sunspider had zero reason to lie about seeing poison? Unless ofc Pharms is town and got busdriven by the scum driver the night of the check

I don't think Spoids was lying that her item-sight triggers *before* any other night actions, and her item-sight was immune to busdriving if that's true.

Playerlist:

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Spoiler1. Schazer
2. Wheat
3. Akumu Mafia Item Crafter
4. SunspiderLyncher Petty Thief
5. Robust Laser
6. AgentBlue=>Reyweld
7. nercania-orccelga
8. RobottobtTown Scientist
9. CSJ Mafia Godfather/Petty Thief
10. Mirdini
11. Coldblooded Mafia Roleblocker
12. SinkingSailor Town Roleblocker
13. awkwardcarapace Town Item Crafter
14. a52Town Watcher
15. GranolamanTown Item Crafter
16. seedy Town Miller Scientist
17. Palamedes
18. Pharmacy
19. Solaris Town Doctor/Mason
20. Cat Town Mailman

Livelist:

Schazer
Wheat
Robust Laser
Reyweld
Nercania-Orccelga
Mirdini
Palamedes
Pharmacy

Who could the scum bus driver be?

Either Reyweld is lying about N-O being an item crafter and is using co-scum info roles to get item info (a second petty thief on the scum team or just lucky and running off of what CSJ provided?)

It's not me, and Wheat is pretty confirmed to be what they've claimed.

Could be Laser faking unfortunate/ineffective scientist checks.

Could be n-o but then Reyweld and n-o are either coaligned (in which case why use a role that points to being scum re: balance/paired roles?) or n-o was scum driven with a town itemcrafter the night of Reyweld's check on n-o.

Mirdini I think is confirmed town. Idfk anymore

Palamedes role is hard to confirm so it's not outside the realm of current possibility it's them

Pharmacy confirmed bus driver, alignment unknown but last night's action makes very little sense. Contradiction in inventory claims with Sunspider (who could've been her lyncher)

And hey sure flavor before we end the day, why not (unvote). I'm 1956, the year the UK Sexual Offences Act outlawed prostitution. My hooker (classic mafia flavor for roleblocker) persona is annoyed at this.

Vote: Pharmacy then.

you don't wanna lynch the probable scum that presumably hands out roleblocking candies and poison, first? :P

If Pharms is scum she's a scum busdriver and with no checking and no murdering roles left so that's not a really big concern, role-wise

plus if N-O flips anything but (scum, because we afaik haven't seen any new decent items since aC/Granola died) item crafter Reyweld's definitely on the docket.

Votes

Pharmacy: (1) (Robust Laser)
Abstaining: (7) (Schazer, Wheat, Reyweld, Nercania-Orccelga, Palamedes, Pharmacy, Mirdini)

It takes 5 to lynch, there is no longer a soft lynch. Deadline is July 21st, 11 PM CST ~104 hours from now.