Nostalgfia - GAME OVER SCUM WIN

re: aC claiming an extra redirection - if that (scum?) one pre-empts Pharms' bussing that's one way Pharms could still be town despite Seedy keeling over dead, since scum would have a way to 'dodge' the town bus while doing a kill. That being said, that kind of makes the town busdriver a lot less useful so, not really sure about that.

Not to mention aC claimed not to have visited Wheat or CSJ in one post total and never came back to it, and I don't think we can rule out that they might've just mixed something up in their QT. Beyond that one claim we have no other indication that there is another redirection role in the setup.

Speaking of which, here's a plan I should've come up with yesterday to figure that out:

tonight, we should set up a chain of giving useless items (toilet paper tubes, etc.) to other players such that every player (that's playing the game, hi Nercania-Orccelga who isn't) is receiving a useless item. If an item doesn't reach its' intended destination, we know there's been a redirection or that the person who sent it is lying.

Am checking if the Turkish Delight also blocks item actions, but since it only says 'roleblock' I think it doesn't? My rolepm specifically states I roleblock AND block item actions as if those are separate deals.

Either way we (or maybe y'all, if I'm dead) can set up that chain once we've actually figured out who'll even be alive during Night 6, considering we have a dog waving a gun around and a lynch to figure out.

And to be clear re: the info post by 'claimed shotgun mafia cop' re: Robust Laser I mean that they have claimed to be a shotgun cop that only receives a guilty if one of their targets is in the mafia, if it's a bunch of town and a third party they would not get a guilty.

also re: pharms' n4 check it's 'swapped mirdini with reyweld (with reyweld scientist check'd against Akumu)'

re: Item Plan

*or the person who sent it or the person who (should've) received it is lying

like, it wouldn't be not straight-up foolproof but it's definitely More Information than we've had previously.

*it wouldn't be straight-up foolproof

Wait, are you just allowed to straight up give items at night?

Hi, I woke up at 5:00 am and I will be going back to sleep, but I thought I'd pop in to give my check and read the thread first.

N4: N-o is an Item Crafter who has a Glass Lens

I can't believe that seedy died without the mafia knowing redirection information or some other work around to directly kill them.

Also, Wheat and Mirdini should be treated as equally confirmed, seeing as they're both backed up by a confirmed scientist check.

Yes Robust Laser.

@Reyweld: The issue with my scientist check ruling me confirmed town is it's theoretically possible (assuming aC's claim of being redirected onto Wheat/CSJ n2 is true) there's a non-Pharmacy redirector running around, and that they messed with Seedy's check(s) on me.

So uh, sure feels like N-O is a bonus mafia item crafter, cool

Unless someone else wants to fess up to sending me a Turkish Delight last night? (Wheat, maybe?)

Because I don't think one item crafter would've been able to send me two in one night.

Well then. It's a good thing I haven't had any worthwhile items.

oh i forgot to check my quicktopic. Fedora and Turkish Delight. Oh nooooo not a roleblock now i can double not use my ability :( :( :(

I have two fedoras now. I can wear two hats, at the same time. This will throw off the mafia enough that they'll just attack themselves at night.

Did anyone receive a pog++ in the night? Because that could indicate my Akumu-shooting got redirected.

Do Seedy's checks mean one of Pharms and Reyweld are scum? Because that seems worth dealing with imo

They don't directly Schaz - Seedy's checks never hit Pharms or Reyweld themselves, at least if Pharms is to be believed, and if Pharms *didn't* bus myself/Reyweld n4 then Reyweld is anti-aligned with Akumu and definitely not scum.

Do you mean you think Pharms' swapping myself/Reyweld n4 is Weird enough that one of them should be scum off of that?

Also Robust Laser's check is Real (and not affected by a mysterious we-don't-know-if-they-exist second redirector) then yeah one of Pharms or Reyweld is scum. Not sure if I necessarily believe that though.

I'm currently of the opinion that Pharms should be our lynch, or I suppose wheat could murder them? I don't know who they have their gun pointed at right now but it'd be nice if it was like, at least sort of productive? I'd like to get the maf the first attempt between the two (pharms and reyweld) but like, one flipping town at least would confirm the other to be mafia (if we can even afford that).

i haven't had time to look at the timeline of events tonight but is wheat 100% confirmed or is there the possibility that scum!pharms lying would mean wheat is actually aligned with csj. nobody's brought up the possibility so i've been assuming that it's unlikely at best.

Robust Laser: Not N-O? Another town item crafter seems... unlikely, and considering their play all game, I'm probably willing to be they're scum.

The issue with lynching pharms and then reyweld or vice-versa is that if you, RL, are scum lying about your check, we'd lose to you. Or if you, RL, are town but your check on alltown!pharms/reyweld/myself/aC got redirected off of any one of us (including the then-dead aC) onto a scum player by the possible second redirector.

Wheat is 100% confirmed, doesn't matter if Pharms is lying *someone* redirected everything off of CSJ onto a52 and a52 saw *everyone* involved, including Robottobt who checked Wheat against CJS->a52. I guess *theoretically* a second redirector could've bounced the second part of that check off of a scum!wheat onto a townie but uh

wheat's play this game makes me super doubt that. Especially since they're probably going to explode on someone later today if they're to be believed.

Actually if wheat were scum with a daykill we'd be screwed anyways so I suppose that's just me being "I don't like this play is there a way to make me feel.better about it"

Was gonna say a thing reiterating the Pharms or Reyweld thing but remembered it's not worth much if im the only one with that info being verifiable so uh. I dunno. We kinda get a double lynch today if wheat is like, at all amicable to discussion so can we use that to our advantage

I'd rather Wheat's shot go towards Laser but c'est la vie Mirdini isn't the worst choice in the world. One thing I guess I can say is seedy being a scientist is really lending credence to the whole 'multiple role' thing and it'd be a little strange for the only non-item copy to be a scientist. Depending on Pharmacy's action I'm betting the scum is hiding within Mirdini/Laser/Reyweld with an outside chance of n-o.

I mean, the worlds we are in as far as I can tell:

- Laser is lying scum, and covered for themselves by having a guilty in one of their checks (most likely Mirdini, unlikely Reyweld, Pharmacy was too easy a mislynch at the time to make sense as a choice).
- Laser is lying scum hoping for a series of mislynches, which means Reyweld is telling the truth and n-o is either bussed or scum.
- Laser is telling the truth, Reyweld is telling the truth, n-o is either bussed or scum with (most likely) Mirdini.
- Laser is telling the truth, Reyweld is lying, Reyweld and mystery person (not n-o) are scum.

Also of note, if Mirdini is telling the truth about getting bombed again then it means scum tried to bomb Reyweld, so if we assume Pharmacy is telling the truth Reyweld probably is too. Mirdini could be lying about it but I see no reason to regardless of alignment.

Because of this I feel like world four here is the least likely, and world one is probably only true if the scum driver or Pharmacy bussed n-o with someone (which feels somewhat likely). World two feels like the most legitimate.

I'm going to claim once we find out what Pharmacy got up to in the night.

i'd really like to get lucky and hit a maf but like, i guess if i'm hit it'd at least confirm that my reyweld-pharms-dini invest is true. I'm certainly starting to reconsider the fact that I'm like, trusting Mirdini so heavily, as like, I feel like I am being very firmly led and that could certainly be a ploy but like. I dunno. How in trouble are we if like, wheatkill + lynch = 1 scum and 1 town dead

I bussed seedy and akumu.

I bussed seedy and akumu.

Hey Pharms did anything else happen to you last night

ps hey Palamedes Pharms claimed her driving, would like to hear your roleclaim before I get unceremoniously trashcanned and your ULTIMATE SCUM PLAN comes to fruition or something

also I guess you're with Wheat in thinking it reasonably likely that both of Seedy's checks on me got redirected (by a second redirector, because Pharms' actions are mostly accounted for)? Because I don't think you should be particularly happy with me dying otherwise :P