Nostalgfia - GAME OVER SCUM WIN

Quick updoot/clarification:

Item-copped Pharms 2 nights back and saw poison and food, but didn't know they'd kept those items secret until Mirdini's summary. I'd not had the time to reread all the stuff I'd missed after the game resumed (sorry again for the absence).

When I thief, I see inventories, but not roles. Don't know if Pharms is actually a dual bus driver poisoner role so much as just had items and didn't claim. In any case, still seems highly scummy!

More soon.

2 nights, so n2? I really need you to list what happened to you with this nomenclature, it’s...easier

also I realized I’m not thinking of role movements correctly...a52 iirc had been trying to watch wheat. they saw wheat pharmacy and cat. cat had also presumably been trying to do stuff to wheat. but...that means they were all on Reyweld and no one was visiting wheat? I guess wheat can visit multiple people so maybe they also went to visit Reyweld and that’s how they got the ammo ?? also wheat is there something that happened when you visited n-o that caused this...fixation or what

Seedy, that post was a very difficult read and I'm not sure why you think there is a redirector at all. A simpler explanation could be Granolaman and Wheat being busdriven, which would both cause Wheat to visit themselves and Cat switching Granola's inventory with Schazer, making them see the gun.

I have never seen the gun, and lying about seeing the gun for a Scum!Reyweld is ridiculous considering that Schazer told everyone the name of the gun (meaning I wouldn't be protecting info) and that it can't be stolen as confirmed by the mod item database.

For your convenience, let me also post the inventories I had each day:

D1:
Present
D2:
Present
N2:
Cookie (from present, was opened N2)
D3:
Nothing
D4:
2 Tinfoil, 2 Bone, Toilet Paper Tube, Lens, Fedora, Pog++
D5:
2 Tinfoil, 2 Bone, Toilet Paper Tube, Lens, Fedora, Honey

sorry if the post was hard to read, but I do talk about busdriving. I mention 1-way busdriving multiple times. I’m pretty sure a 2-way situation wouldn’t work based on what we know about the night. pharmacy DID claim to have switched you and wheat n2. and afaik actions didn’t end up at granola. sooooo...the situation you suggest doesn’t really work.
I guess if wheat targeted self and granola it must have been granola -> Reyweld for wheat to receive ammo?
oh then again if cat DID target granola and got bounced to Reyweld and then onto wheat then the inventories would get switched just fine. my problem is that we don’t really know who cat targeted. and we’re forced to assume that no actions ended up at granola based on what everyone said.
ac wouldn’t (and possibly couldn’t) say who they “missed” in favor of a52 n2, so we’re stuck on that count
anyways Reyweld, back then you were a different person. I dunno, you might have lied about it. the point is that if wheat is telling the truth and pharmacy is telling the truth then you would have gotten stuff swapped.
iirc schazer also had an unopened present going into n1 so maybe those just got switched?

wheat while I don’t want to get to wrapped up in mechanics I do think working out what the targets were for a probable scum role and who that person is IS actually important. doing this kind of thing d2 is silly but d5 when a ton of people have claimed and given night actions? not so much
I only ask if you have a reason for n-o because you’ve been acting like your hunch is the absolute truth and anyone who’s simply following their own instincts instead of yours must be scum

I really think the mystery person and pharmacy must be unaligned...like I said I can’t imagine doing this on purpose. if it’s 1-way driving it actually has a towny vibe (less so if redirecting), but I think it’s probably Akumu who I think is scum

@Palamedes Reyweld's mistake was forgetting or overlooking that known mafia CSJ revealed they had knowledge of Schazer's role, and then they (Reyweld) claimed rolecop and that they had rolecopped Schazer prior to that. A likely explanation is that CSJ got the info from Reyweld. In addition, mafia killed Solaris for, at surface read, no particular reason. Mafia!Reyweld passing along that Solaris was doctor provides a reason for that.

@seedy Why? :(

I don't know if that's really a mistake? I mean, watcher is dead, just about everyone has claimed, and Reyweld would have no reason as scum to not lie and point out safer targets.

Also, not only did CSJ only say that they knew Schazer wasn't just a mason, but several other people said they suspected the same as well at the same time. Plus, CSJ got to see inventories and steal shit so it's also very likely that he visited Schaz in your scenario and found out himself.

seedy's logic makes me second guess my read on Pharmacy, but I think it's worth trying to suss out the remaining mysteries and come back to Pharms if another busdriver existing doesn't add up in following days.

Also, not only did CSJ only say that they knew Schazer wasn't just a mason, but several other people said they suspected the same as well at the same time. Plus, CSJ got to see inventories and steal shit so it's also very likely that he visited Schaz in your scenario and found out himself.

who else was saying that before CSJ was, because if anyone was I don't see it :P

and yeah, could be that CSJ just targeted Schaz and saw the magical gun. Still that *and* the Solaris kill after Reyweld says he targeted Sol n1 feels off, and I don't think scum can be entirely sure there isn't another town info role or info role-esque items running around. Even moreso if it turns out RL is fakeclaiming and is actually scum

still waitin' on Sunspider's 'more soon' post, anyhow

I also think CSJ steals schazer’s gun -> Reyweld rolecop schazer n2 makes sense

akumu I think it’s you cuz it’s less likely to be other people
for pala and n-o it’s possible but it doesn’t make a lot of sense given where they appeared on watching n2 (some other stuff would be happening I think?). if it’s n-o and they really can’t pick their targets that would be funny though. I might be wrong about pala and n-o, some of the watching results are odd and it seems like n1 and n2 were extra confusing
wheat is confirmed as the thing they are, pharmacy hasn’t been counterclaimed
I’m me
schazer and mirdini both have some evidence for their claims so it feels unlikely to be them
Reyweld COULD be it and lying, using only flipped roles and Sunspider (they’d have to be aligned with Sunspider and pharmacy though to get the stuff they got correct)
Sunspider could be lying as well (would have to be aligned with Reyweld) but we’ll see what she claims about this and that (people shouldn’t be posting their item counts). Sunspider is likeliest to be lying but scum usually doesn’t interweave claims like that
so that leaves you

oh I forgot RL in the list. RL could also be lying vOv

Votalés:

Nercania: (2) (Wheat, Robust Laser)
Mirdini: (1) (Palamedes)
Palamedes: (1) (Schazer)
Robust Laser: (1) (Reyweld)
Akumu: (1) (Seedy
Pharmacy: (1) (Sunspider)
Reyweld: (1) (Akumu)

Abstaining: (3) (nercania-orccelga, pharmacy, mirdini)

6 to Hard Lynch, 3 to Soft Lynch, deadline is 10:30 PM CST, July 10th, ~28 hours from now

unvote I'm not helping with that vote, as it's very unlikely and I can just confirm it with my role later.

oh cool now we can vote: deadline extension and wait for Sunspider to come lie to us

vote: day extension

woop zoop

unvote I'm not helping with that vote, as it's very unlikely and I can just confirm it with my role later.

Tbh that’s not 100% reliable as long as there might be a scum redirection or busdriving role, fair warning (assuming you’re town for a moment).

Anyhow now that I’ve fulfilled my day-extension voting duty gonna sleept some more, back in some number of hours

(we need uhhh 3? more votes for a total of 5 to trigger day extension, I think?)

seedy's logic is wonky in a couple places yeah, but I felt like the effort put into it was genuine and bits of it were helpful?

Also, it seems like while I think n-o is uninterested town you seem convinced they're uninterested scum. Is there any reason why, besides the fact that they want you dead? To me it just seems inconceivable that a scumteam would let n-o get away with the post against Wheat and vanish playstyle, so I guess I'm looking for something that might run contrary to that before I can be convinced to vote for them.

Could vote Sunspider, if for no other reason than to make them come out and respond to questions.

Vote: Day Extend

Vote: Sunspider

Vote Date Extend

if it’s n-o and they really can’t pick their targets that would be funny though.

*dog exudes a stunk cloud that spells out "if it's n-o then they probably just lied about that, as scum does. Seedy's logic has been tenuous several times now, and would vote for them rn if there were any votes on them and it wasnt so close to deadline*

which is why I used the word “if” which is conventually utilized in English to signify the subjunctive tense

I get not agreeing with some of my logic (honestly my post about bussing was...a mess and I posted it mostly because I felt like there were a couple interesting things I brought up rather than that the whole post was Perfect)
but it feels like you’re picking on extremely minor phrasing choices like “oh seedy didn’t qualify fully that all of n-o’s statements could be lies when commenting that such a role would be funny, that means they must believe them fully and are defending n-o” or “seedy said that all the lynches today are hardly any better than n-o, that means all the lynches are equally bad so they don’t have any excuse to not vote n-o”
it feels like it’s less about I’m actually saying or that anything I said is actually scummy and more about taking me to task for simple wording “mistakes” that you can re-interpret
it’s kind of annoying and unfun?

*conventionally, oops

also wheat vote for a day extension

Vote: day extend

vote: dayextend

Vote: n-o

vote: day extend

I think voting: n-o is fine, as if they are town they definitely aren't helping, and I'd rather not get into the last few days with someone who isn't participating? But a possible Scum!N-o or 3P!N-o really shouldn't be allowed to live because I don't feel confident that they aren't town.

What would have been better is if we asked n-o to switch out into Justice Watch, but unless we can infinitely extend the day I don't think that's going to work.

Also no more votes on n-o so we don't hit hard lynch.

you know, you should maybe just unvote Reyweld, considering n-o was already at soft lynch and a fast hammer is a lot riskier than a no lynch since we have 48 extra hours now?

I mean, it'd be an incredibly scummy giveaway if two people waltzed into thread right now and 'accidentally' voted for a theoretical town n-o, but, you know