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O.I: We're doing alright, thanks for asking. How about you? And we're not doing things the peaceful way so much as the optimal way. Turning monsters into allies gives us a wider variety of tactics to employ, as well as greater support than if we simply killed them. Bosses in particular just make too much sense to pacify as we said earlier with Zendo, we get the same amount of souls as if we killed them PLUS a powerful ally or we get twice the souls for every boss pacified. The only real risk of this is betrayal from regular monsters, but that's what wards are for. If all we cared about was peace then we would have made everybody invisible and intangible, not sent them out into the world armed to the teeth.
Daydream: Fair point. You seem to have it all figured it.
Daydream: Y'know, as I'm watching things play out, I couldn't help but notice the "stockpiling" if you will. Of monsters.
Daydream: I mean, if you consider this optimal, I won't get in your way, as this has nothing to do with my goals, in fact, it's a pretty unique hobby.
Daydream: ... In terms of myself.
Daydream: I'm just a little worried.
Daydream: That thing, Alice did before the end.
Daydream: She's covering her ass of course. She knows Derrick will be pulling away because Lucia has more influence at the moment.
Daydream: No thanks to you all.
Daydream: But thinking of what Emily said...
Daydream: I'm just so tired.
Daydream: I don't give a shit about trying to one-up Lucia in this regard anymore.
Daydream: If Alice is going to fuck with this plan of yours, I'll do what I need to to help you.
O.I: Peace is the way to go!
Daydream: Hm, that's not what you said just now.
O.I: Okay, on the other hand there are people that are set on the peaceful way, they just happen to be mostly right at the moment.
Daydream: Ahh, I see then. Thanks for clearing that up.
Daydream: ... Haha, that was weird. We had a short dialogue just now, instead of the weird "statement/respond" way we always speak with.
Can we change into Desert Bob? His outfit looks cooler.
Daydream: Desert Bob serves no purpose to you or me right now.
Daydream: ....
Daydream: Hm, well I'm thinking you might be able to perk up my mood.
Daydream: I'm not really feeling games right now, but.
Daydream: Maybe you can tell me more about yourself and your world? What is it like where you are?

>We come from all over the world, using a network where we communicate with each other. As a whole, the world isn't too good right now, but it could be a lot worse.

>You can think the 'communication network' previously mentioned like your primitive internet. Easily connecting various races together while keeping people's identities a secret. As for myself, I'm doing OK. Doing a bit of writing to take my mind off of what you would consider the unfathomable. And before you go asking how I find the time between all the Observering we've been doing, let me simply state the following. We know what you mean when you say this dream felt like it lasted for a year. Not so subtle wink wink and a nudge.

>In regards of what you just said....we'd rather not drag you into unpleasant topics, but perhaps you should reconsider the way you are viewing the situation. Just because Derrick's not agreeing blindly to what construct Alice is saying (something we doubt anyone would agree to, if they were in his situation) does not mean that Lucia or anyone else has more influence on him, just that an unreasonable request was made and Derrick had every right to disagree to it.

>Whatever your personal feelings towards Lucia may be, remember that neither of you want harm to come to Derrick, and right now everyone's priority should be to save him.... for which, we understand, everyone but especially both you and Lucia will be heavy players. So it may be best to try to keep animosity at minimum and remember you both have a common goal to work towards.

>well, it depends on what you mean with "our world". if you mean the world that we the "aliens" are in, the network is a good description. if you mean our world as in where our species lives, it seems to be relatively similar to your waking world, or at least what we have seen of it so far.
>about us, we are mostly just bunch of people interested in helping all of you not die.

it seems to be relatively similar to your waking world, or at least what we have seen of it so far.
>about us, we are mostly just bunch of people interested in helping all of you not die.

This seems like a REALLY bad idea. The more humanized and flawed we come off as the less the kids have reason to trust us.

>As much fun as it might be to seem like impossibly different and vaguely inscrutable aliens, the truth is our world is similar to yours practically speaking. We're biological creatures gifted with sapience. We live, we breathe, we love, we laugh, we cry, we hate, we sleep, we dream and eventually we die. Though unlike you we can't share our dreams with each other while we are asleep.

it seems to be relatively similar to your waking world, or at least what we have seen of it so far.
>about us, we are mostly just bunch of people interested in helping all of you not die.

This seems like a REALLY bad idea. The more humanized and flawed we come off as the less the kids have reason to trust us.

What would be better? Pretend to be perfect beings holding all the answers and incapable of making flawed decisions? Would YOU trust a set of disembodied voices you have no context for making such a claim out of the blue?

I'd rather be honest and imperfect than pretend to be perfect only to be eventually caught out in that lie.

>As much fun as it might be to seem like impossibly different and vaguely inscrutable aliens, the truth is our world is similar to yours practically speaking. We're biological creatures gifted with sapience. We live, we breathe, we love, we laugh, we cry, we hate, we sleep, we dream and eventually we die. Though unlike you we can't share our dreams with each other while we are asleep.

it seems to be relatively similar to your waking world, or at least what we have seen of it so far.
>about us, we are mostly just bunch of people interested in helping all of you not die.

This seems like a REALLY bad idea. The more humanized and flawed we come off as the less the kids have reason to trust us.

What would be better? Pretend to be perfect beings holding all the answers and incapable of making flawed decisions? Would YOU trust a set of disembodied voices you have no context for making such a claim out of the blue?

I'd rather be honest and imperfect than pretend to be perfect only to be eventually caught out in that lie.

Definitely do not do this. this is very, very dangerous, it might lead to daydream realizing that she is, in fact, a fictional character, theres no telling how much this is gonna fuck up her brain more than it already is
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Why would us being honest about our world lead her to realize she is fictional? All we're saying is our world is similar to hers. I vote honesty, because if we lie, and she figures out we're lying, the results will be far worse than just telling her the truth.

wow, I had no idea I would stir up so much controversy.

>Daydream: "Opinions vary depending on beliefs and location. I can't say for certain that all the others are on the same world as me, or even if they'd agree with my assessment of it if they were. Everyone can gather that our worlds are similar enough to be able to understand eachother fairly well, but given our limited sample size that's not saying much. Bearing that in mind: all in all I'd say my world is a pretty good world, and there's nowhere I'd much rather be.

As for the "Lucia having more influence" thing, or however you'd like to phrase it, there's a reason for that which from all indications should be helpful for your goal. We need to talk about that later, so ask me about it when you're feeling up to discussing it."

I personally wouldn't recommend we give away a lot of meta information, or information about ourselves (specifically us, the observers). It's probably not going to help our credibility, and it could very likely hurt it. I don't mean lie to people, especially not Daydream, but I do wholly recommend that we try to stick to topics that help our objectives and speak factually if we can.

Also, for those who don't remember, Lucidstuck is set in the past relative to us now. In the Livejournal (R.I.P.) we figured out that Lucidstuck is most likely set in either the latter half of 2013 or the earlier half of 2014. There's a lot of things that have happened between then and now that would be of interest to Daydream and we can phrase them in a way that we don't have to worry about Daydream getting too much meta information. Remember, we're trying to get her emotionally healthy and keep her from going suicidal, so uplifting topics are better.

@Panur: Whenever you get a chance send me a message in discord. I have something I wanna talk with you about in regards to your message.

@Xoleuph: Don't worry. You didn't. Discussing stuff like this has been happening since the old threads. It just hasn't happened here as often since the discords became a thing and we started discussing a bunch of stuff there. Even if that wasn't the case, a couple people disagreeing over the course of a few messages isn't a controversy xD.

For what it's worth, I've already made my opinion on giving out personal/meta information clear but I doubt anything that's being said will make Daydream think she's fictional. However, there might be OTHER bad things she might think as a result of certain information.

>As much fun as it might be to seem like impossibly different and vaguely inscrutable aliens, the truth is our world is similar to yours practically speaking. We're biological creatures gifted with sapience. We live, we breathe, we love, we laugh, we cry, we hate, we sleep, we dream and eventually we die. Though unlike you we can't share our dreams with each other while we are asleep.

From daydreams perspective, most other people can't lucid dream like her and aren't aware that it's possible. So I'm not sure the last part would be usefull.

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O.I: We come from all over the world, using a network where we communicate with each other. As a whole, the world isn't too good right now, but it could be a lot worse.
Daydream: The world you say?
Daydream: ... My world? Are you in my construct? Or my real world?
Daydream: Oh geez, I feel like all I'll have by the end of this is more questions.
Daydream: Well, carry on.
O.I: You can think the 'communication network' previously mentioned like your primitive internet. Easily connecting various races together while keeping people's identities a secret. As for myself, I'm doing OK. Doing a bit of writing to take my mind off of what you would consider the unfathomable. And before you go asking how I find the time between all the Observering we've been doing, let me simply state the following. We know what you mean when you say this dream felt like it lasted for a year. Not so subtle wink wink and a nudge.
Daydream: "Primitive internet"?
Daydream: Ooooh, the Aliens are straight out of a science fiction novel, aren't they?
Daydream: But you speak with English, in a very easy to understand way. If you've advanced to the point where internet is "primitive" I'd assume your language would have as well. Heck, just 50 years it would take for a drastic change in speech. Sooooo, you're probably bullshitting with me.
Daydream: Or... You're dumbing yourselves down and have done your research to fool me.
Daydream: Both are equally likely, I'd say.
Daydream: I'm not sure I understand what you mean with the wink wink thing, or that I really want to know.
O.I: In regards of what you just said....we'd rather not drag you into unpleasant topics, but perhaps you should reconsider the way you are viewing the situation. Just because Derrick's not agreeing blindly to what construct Alice is saying (something we doubt anyone would agree to, if they were in his situation) does not mean that Lucia or anyone else has more influence on him, just that an unreasonable request was made and Derrick had every right to disagree to it.
Daydream: ... Uhm, thanks for the advice but I wanted to just take my mind away from it with this conversation.
O.I: Whatever your personal feelings towards Lucia may be, remember that neither of you want harm to come to Derrick, and right now everyone's priority should be to save him.... for which, we understand, everyone but especially both you and Lucia will be heavy players. So it may be best to try to keep animosity at minimum and remember you both have a common goal to work towards.
Daydream: .....
Daydream: Right...
O.I: Well, it depends on what you mean with "our world". if you mean the world that we the "aliens" are in, the network is a good description. if you mean our world as in where our species lives, it seems to be relatively similar to your waking world, or at least what we have seen of it so far.
Daydream: Wait, what?
Daydream: You are in the "network" but you live in the world similar to mine?
Daydream: So... You're basically skype calling me?
Daydream: But in my head?
Daydream: That's... Pretty advanced, I'll have to assume the second theory I came up with you all is true.
Daydream: But then that means you're humans then, and... not Aliens?
Daydream: But with technology that let's you even speak to me without having a caller ID or even an address to send these messages...
Daydream: I mean, I'm just funnelling it all through Bob here, It would have still been going to my head.
Daydream: It's... like magic!
Daydream: I guess this is what it means when science goes to the point of progression in which it would seem like magic to the lesser of intelligence.
Daydream: I just can't wrap my head around this...
O.I: About us, we are mostly just bunch of people interested in helping all of you not die.
Daydream: ... But what's in it for you? Is this like a game for you?
Daydream: I don't understand why you would want to involve yourself in my troubles.
O.I: As much fun as it might be to seem like impossibly different and vaguely inscrutable aliens, the truth is our world is similar to yours practically speaking. We're biological creatures gifted with sapience. We live, we breathe, we love, we laugh, we cry, we hate, we sleep, we dream and eventually we die. Though unlike you we can't share our dreams with each other while we are asleep.
Daydream: Well I already figured out you're human, like me.
Daydream: With super advanced technology.
Daydream: But... I'm so used to calling you Aliens. I'll just continue to.
O.I: "Opinions vary depending on beliefs and location. I can't say for certain that all the others are on the same world as me, or even if they'd agree with my assessment of it if they were. Everyone can gather that our worlds are similar enough to be able to understand each other fairly well, but given our limited sample size that's not saying much. Bearing that in mind: all in all I'd say my world is a pretty good world, and there's nowhere I'd much rather be.
Daydream: ... So you're the only true alien!
Daydream: Why talk to... well, these other alie---
Daydream: Ahhhh....
Daydream: So you're all aliens to each other!
Daydream: Then that must mean you're all aliens to me!
Daydream: I just went full circle on that one, hehe...
O.I: As for the "Lucia having more influence" thing, or however you'd like to phrase it, there's a reason for that which from all indications should be helpful for your goal. We need to talk about that later, so ask me about it when you're feeling up to discussing it."
Daydream: I will do this.
Daydream: ....
Daydream: Well, so what I've gathered is you're all human-aliens from your own worlds, and you talk using the internet to each other across... space??
Daydream: And you all gather to talk to me and my friends?
Daydream: To help us... do something? Why?
Daydream: So confusing... But very interesting!

>I don't know why some people are here helping you do what's considered the impossible, but for me, this whole thing is like a good TV drama. Except I get to take part in it. Yes, you are correct we're sorta skyping you mind right now. And in regards to the whole alien/human stuff I'll say that we've never met, and thus we don't know what each other look like. As for where I am, well I wish I was planetside right now, but that's not really possible right now. Shitty connections literally in the middle of Bumblefuck, Nowhere. Just straight up void around the rust bucket I call home.

>This is not common technology mind you. We can't just speak into anybody's mind. The omniscent entity we mentioned earlier set us up with it. Or, well, it may be more accurate to say he's an Infaillible Professor. And we're certainly not playing around with your lives in the balance if that's what you think. The professor might be playing for all I know, you'd think he could help the lot of you all by himself but here we are.

>I don't know why some people are here helping you do what's considered the impossible, but for me, this whole thing is like a good TV drama. Except I get to take part in it. Yes, you are correct we're sorta skyping you mind right now. And in regards to the whole alien/human stuff I'll say that we've never met, and thus we don't know what each other look like. As for where I am, well I wish I was planetside right now, but that's not really possible right now. Shitty connections literally in the middle of Bumblefuck, Nowhere. Just straight up void around the rust bucket I call home.

Rc; maybe comparing the life or death of her brother situation to a tv drama is not the best idea.... I mean, would you want to know you are trusting someone to keep you/your loved ones safe while they're just amusing themselves?

heck, i know everyone here would like to take their chance to stand out, but in general, please keep in mind that in general it's a bad policy since it only opens more questions and might confuse or make alice more distrustful/less sure of us.

>One of the reasons I want to help, I guess is because I want to see others be happy and have their happy ending, I guess. I don't get many happy endings myself, so helping others is what I do to try to achieve happiness myself. And sorry if my ranting is confusing, I'm not always the best with phrasing things.

Hey amber, you're from the discord, right? Welcome to the forums.

Welcomes aside though, maybe introducing yourself in-comic isn't the best of ideas. Talking to Daydream is something we can actually seriously screw up with and if every reader were to introduce themselves to DD we'd scarsely have any space for other topics.

>I don't know why some people are here helping you do what's considered the impossible, but for me, this whole thing is like a good TV drama. Except I get to take part in it. Yes, you are correct we're sorta skyping you mind right now. And in regards to the whole alien/human stuff I'll say that we've never met, and thus we don't know what each other look like. As for where I am, well I wish I was planetside right now, but that's not really possible right now. Shitty connections literally in the middle of Bumblefuck, Nowhere. Just straight up void around the rust bucket I call home.

Rc; maybe comparing the life or death of her brother situation to a tv drama is not the best idea.... I mean, would you want to know you are trusting someone to keep you/your loved ones safe while they're just amusing themselves?

heck, i know everyone here would like to take their chance to stand out, but in general, please keep in mind that in general it's a bad policy since it only opens more questions and might confuse or make alice more distrustful/less sure of us.

I second this notion

i feel like the more we try to tell daydream about our "world" the worse its gonna be, lets please not

Rc; maybe comparing the life or death of her brother situation to a tv drama is not the best idea.... I mean, would you want to know you are trusting someone to keep you/your loved ones safe while they're just amusing themselves?

heck, i know everyone here would like to take their chance to stand out, but in general, please keep in mind that in general it's a bad policy since it only opens more questions and might confuse or make alice more distrustful/less sure of us.

I second this notion

I agree as well.

>on why we want to help you, the reasons vary from person to person. some may act out of curiosity, others out of compassion, some may have reasons that nobody else understands. we could go through it for everyone who is currently involved, though that would be quite a lot of work.

anyways, lets see if I can get some answers I have been itching for.

>if you dont mind going a bit off topic, I do have a concern that I have been waiting a while to address. as you already have noticed, we had used some tinfoil items to deal with the psychic powers of lethos. it seems like malice, the weird doll, is is using part psychic manipulation and part what you perceive our "power" to be. so the question is, do you think tinfoil items help against it? could it also keep nightmare from controlling derrick, or is that a completely different thing?

>Well, Daydream what if you were in our position? Given tools to observe a seemingly random group of friends on an adventure in another world and then given the means to guide and help them out... wouldn't you help them?

>i see you still doubt our intentions for some reason. And that is reasonable and understandable i suppose... but what if i told you that solving your puzzle and getting you to take that wager to spare Emily, is what i now, years later, though not many, still consider to be the crowning achievement of my existence? What if i also told you that kindness is a universal constant that allows sentient creatures around the multiverse to form this complex construct of support called Society? Granted, this time-dilation was for the longest time also our greatest asset, in the end, i suppose there can be no secrets between real friends, eh? So now you know the price we all willingly and gladly pay for your sakes, i hope you can find it in your heart to make some personal sacrifices of your own and to let Emily help you sort through your feelings. Make no mistake, among our ranks, there's still bitterness over what you did, but it's growing lesser with each sign of your atonement. We continue to believe there is genuine kindness and love within your heart, though terribly misguided at one moment. Otherwise you would not have kept trying to make things right again for as long as you did. The problem, as always in life, is that we can not see the perfect outcome, because Reality is too vast for any one person to comprehend. And that is where having friends comes in handy... but I'm delving into Phylosophy again. I'm sorry, that was a little long winded and heavy and you just wanted to relax... we would love to play another game with you when you're feeling better. No wagers this time.

>it seems my comment on how this is like a TV drama got a few people worried, but I was just being honest with you. Wouldn't you want us to at least be honest with you to some extent? And besides, I'm not totally heartless and I don't only care about the next big dramatic fuck up. I still wanna see everyone survive.

>We saw people who needed help, and decided to try to help you. The more we learned about the situation, the more important it seemed. We are trying to save lives. Do we need a reason for that?

>We saw people who needed help, and decided to try to help you. The more we learned about the situation, the more important it seemed. We are trying to save lives. Do we need a reason for that?

we dont need to get too defensive.