Murder By The Book - Ender's Game

Can I get help /brick'd

Arright so sleeping on it has not changed my opinion. REMEMBER ME BUDDY!?



First off, I already went through both of the D1 wagons and noted that SlOrange was the scummiest on NL. Why? Because he knows better. NL is a good idea approximately 1% of the time. Town needs info, and the only way to verify info is to get a flip. If he really wanted the newbies to enjoy themselves, he could've gone for a veteran or a lurker.

I've also been over his claim before: He could be just about anything at this point, especially with the confusion and deliberation the claim has caused. But the fact is that it took up a solid chunk of the day and drew attention, which is pointless for town and risky but potentially excellent for scum. It's a better play for the enemy team, regardless of how true or false it is; again, if he's town, he should've known better.

And now some quotes...

You're adorable, Nova.

This is the absolute worst response to "You're defending yourself with your meta" and I regret that I let up so easily back then.

Mmm, I don't know about all that. If I am Undercover, it'd be an easy fakeclaim to make on a night where there was only one kill. Doubly so if I knew that kill would be janitored because I'm on a team with the janitor, and triply so if I'm the godfather and know I'm safe from any investigators who are suspicious of my claim.

I mean, it seems like a prrretty pointless gambit given that if I weren't me it wouldn't change my opinion about my alignment, but I suppose anything that takes some suspicion off them early game can be helpful for scum, especially if it's not something that will bite them at endgame (as something unprovable any which way like this would be). I don't think this really proves anything, I just wanted to make sure people didn't start assuming that cyber was town and framing their beliefs based on that.

He should not be the one to decide how pointless the gambit is. The fact that he's trying to dictate people's impression of him is bad enough on its own, but the subject matter just makes it worse. "C'mon guys, everybody knows that thing I did would be pointless if I were lying. It just makes no sense. Don't be silly."

And yeah past this point he spends so much friggin' time talking about his own claim and the mechanics thereof and everybody gets in on it

It's pretty ridic

you pushed crazy hard for a no lynch yesterday

Haha, okay.

I love how he oscillates between snidely dismissing suspicions of him and devoting paragraph after paragraph to them. Not only is he defensive but he's inconsistent. That's like a 4x STAB attack to my scumdar. Like he just Flamethrower'd my Scizor is what went down.

I just

I genuinely don't even see how I have votes on me

To the extent that if I'm lynched in the next day or two I will laugh and laugh

But! The best thing to do in this situation (since I know a Slorange lynch is a mislynch) is to counter it with a lynch I think is better. Rather than continuing to prod lurkers, I guess I'll put my money where my mouth is and vote: granolaman. Easily the wonkiest play and the most doublespeak so far.

I picked this out because it's just. Such a perfect picture of everything I find fishy about this guy. He has such confidence in the fact he's a bad lynch target, yet he spends so much time shooting people down, and comparatively devotes little to no time to scumhunting. I think the first thing of substance he said about a non-lurker was saying I'm always cagey and he didn't have a read on me yet.

I will point out for posterity and anyone who pays more attention to what's being said that to what's already been said that I am in no way defending myself based on my claimed role. From post one, I said there were reasonable(ish) reasons I could have claimed it as scum, although I have more to gain from it as town; I don't think my claim gives anyone any information about my alignment either way. That's why I'm surprised at votes on me based solely on that claim. It doesn't prove anything any which way. My role might not even be what I say it is, and there are plenty of reasons both town and scum for me to lie about it. You don't have anything but my word on anything, which really shouldn't tip the scale in either direction at this point in the game. Votes on me at this stage are anti-scumhunt, and I'm almost as leery of the Schazers and Gnaugas that are taking me so readily at my word because I haven't done anything worth believing me that much yet. This whole conversation is a distraction from any actual attempt to parse out who's who, which is why I feel it's reasonable to vote for the person most interested in keeping it going: any attempt to distract the town from substantive, provable matters is anti-town play.

Highlighted the contradiction. So town and scum would have a reason to lie; then is it a decent play, or is it pointless? And maybe he never explicitly said "Don't lynch me because I'm this," but his role has defended him several times, if for no other reason than people have gotten caught up debating the validity of the claim.

And only now does he mention the conversation is a distraction from... "any actual attempt to parse out who's who?" Well whose fault is that? He could've just not had the conversation in the first place. He could've ignored it entirely and done some of that parsing for himself. Or he could've... y'know... not claimed.

BLERGABLERGABLERG

MARRARGH RARF BUFF ROORURUGH

Yeah this entire exchange with Truegreen is just... wat. Why are you trying this hard. If you need to try this hard to defend yourself, you'd do better for less effort by just scumhunting. Add some positive to the negative, balance them out. But nope, he just keeps reacting to people. Rather than propose something new or risky, he continues to defend himself and wear out existing topics of conversation.

People I am moderately suspicious of without strong backing or reasoning:
Schazer (Too ready to side with me but otherwise contributing)

If I'm not mistaken, he tries to sneak in remarks like this more than once. Could be scum distancing, as I mentioned before. If he takes offense to that then maybe he should find another, more concrete reason to suspect her.

I feel like I shouldn't have to point this out, but... Nobody should really listen to the advice of a dude whose faction's goals are either "Cause as much confusion and thus death as possible" if he's telling the truth or "Kill all the town players" if he's lying and mafia. Not really a great position from which to be telling the town what do do? Remember, if the town plays well, he loses! The sooner scum die off, the less likely his three-man-endgame wincon is to come about, so he has no incentive to get mafia players killed.

And again, his response to Granola's claim. Naturally, he points out the notion that would benefit him the most, rather than taking any of Granola's words to the cutting board or proposing his own suspects.

There's so much other stuff I could've pointed out, but I tried to limit myself to things that stuck out independently and to not twist facts to suit theories. Regardless, this has been SlOrange's play since Day One: self-concerned, dismissive, unhelpful.

Statement: You are a risk, SlOrange. You are impulsive... crude... and soon, deceased.

Vote SleepingOrange

NOW, as for what to do after he flips:

If town, I want to hear more from Truegreen; they took Slorange to the hoop over his claim and displayed many of the same behaviors as him in the process, which would make them look pretty bad on flip.

If scum, I am absolutely willing to revisit my evaluation of Schazer; the criticisms brought against her previously were valid, I just didn't see them as outweighing the work she'd done for the town. Then again, she's sharp as nails and not scared to put herself out there, so it's not impossible for her to be scum, and some of the info that's come forth since my last assessment casts her in a less immaculate light.

I'm gomen for the immediate page-stretcher orz