RE: Murder By The Book - Day 2: The Invisible Man
03-28-2014, 06:34 AM
Mechanics ramble engage; post may not go anywhere promising if I hit "post" without editing it into something coherent
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So first up (as in before we attempt to logically resolve Slorange's ministrations), Cyber's disappearance is one of two things: A janitor (an anti-town role, usually one-shot, lets them prevent the night victim's identity from being revealed. They usually find out the dead player's identity and use the extra information to support whatever stories they invent to look like a town-sided role.) or a commuter (a passive (usually) town role. It's kind of like a bulletproof, in that you dodge the first kill aimed at you, but you'll get ganked out of the game for a fixed duration instead.)
A Janitor is usually one-shot; the victim of a janitor (and their identity/role) may or may not be revealed when the janitor dies. The mafia may or may not know Cyber's identity. If they do and, for example, he was a cop, one of them may proceed to claim they are the cop, evade the lynch, receive protection from a hypothetical doctor, and make up reports which lead to mislynches.
Janitor variants exist. You can have multishot janitors (a counter exists; I'm going to refrain from mentioning it because a) if we have a oneshot janitor, it's a moot point, and b) if we do have a multishot janitor, it's a really safe claim for a mafia player.). You can have a janitor who steals the abilities of the victim (that one's been middlingly popular in games from the MSPAF days).
The Commuter, meanwhile, is a less common role. When it does show up and do its job, though (as Slorange (and Sotek!) will concur with me from the MSPAF game Quarantine at CJ Memorial) it can seriously fuck up a scum team's stride.
If Slorange were aware of a janitor's existence (because he's, y'know, part of the mafia), he could've suggested "let's janitor Cyber" and had this overtly elaborate fake-claim as soon as someone like me noticed the odd nature of the kill. That fits the observed events. However, it'd be just as easy for Slorange to state my meta-reasoning reveals nothing, there's other people in the game who could double-think us both, etc etc.
I can't really get a read on Slorange's actions here until the dust has settled, a few days have passed, and either a janitor flips or Cyber turns out to be a Commuter. I keep trying to map out the logical progressions but I just get an inconclusive mess of possible motivations. The only things I can be sure of are:
- The claim in general is not a stunt worth making for scum on D1, at least not given the pressure (my voteless post) which prompted the claim. If a tracker or watcher had got an incriminating read of his movements, yeah, maybe. As it is it attracts more attention than a mafia!Slorange would want right now.
- if Cyber turns out to be a Commuter, Slorange is very town.
- if a janitor of any description turns up, the odds of Slorange being town drop (not to "oh ok he's scum then", but to the point we'd need to re-examine the claim and its ramifications).
I'm gonna reply to Truegreen's #233 next, stay tuned
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So first up (as in before we attempt to logically resolve Slorange's ministrations), Cyber's disappearance is one of two things: A janitor (an anti-town role, usually one-shot, lets them prevent the night victim's identity from being revealed. They usually find out the dead player's identity and use the extra information to support whatever stories they invent to look like a town-sided role.) or a commuter (a passive (usually) town role. It's kind of like a bulletproof, in that you dodge the first kill aimed at you, but you'll get ganked out of the game for a fixed duration instead.)
A Janitor is usually one-shot; the victim of a janitor (and their identity/role) may or may not be revealed when the janitor dies. The mafia may or may not know Cyber's identity. If they do and, for example, he was a cop, one of them may proceed to claim they are the cop, evade the lynch, receive protection from a hypothetical doctor, and make up reports which lead to mislynches.
Janitor variants exist. You can have multishot janitors (a counter exists; I'm going to refrain from mentioning it because a) if we have a oneshot janitor, it's a moot point, and b) if we do have a multishot janitor, it's a really safe claim for a mafia player.). You can have a janitor who steals the abilities of the victim (that one's been middlingly popular in games from the MSPAF days).
The Commuter, meanwhile, is a less common role. When it does show up and do its job, though (as Slorange (and Sotek!) will concur with me from the MSPAF game Quarantine at CJ Memorial) it can seriously fuck up a scum team's stride.
If Slorange were aware of a janitor's existence (because he's, y'know, part of the mafia), he could've suggested "let's janitor Cyber" and had this overtly elaborate fake-claim as soon as someone like me noticed the odd nature of the kill. That fits the observed events. However, it'd be just as easy for Slorange to state my meta-reasoning reveals nothing, there's other people in the game who could double-think us both, etc etc.
I can't really get a read on Slorange's actions here until the dust has settled, a few days have passed, and either a janitor flips or Cyber turns out to be a Commuter. I keep trying to map out the logical progressions but I just get an inconclusive mess of possible motivations. The only things I can be sure of are:
- The claim in general is not a stunt worth making for scum on D1, at least not given the pressure (my voteless post) which prompted the claim. If a tracker or watcher had got an incriminating read of his movements, yeah, maybe. As it is it attracts more attention than a mafia!Slorange would want right now.
- if Cyber turns out to be a Commuter, Slorange is very town.
- if a janitor of any description turns up, the odds of Slorange being town drop (not to "oh ok he's scum then", but to the point we'd need to re-examine the claim and its ramifications).
I'm gonna reply to Truegreen's #233 next, stay tuned
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clouds is shaky love | broke as hell but i got a bunch of ringtones
eyes blood red bruise aubergine | Sue took something now Sue doesn't sleep | saint average, day in the life of
woke up in the noon smelling doom and death | out the house, great outdoors
staying warm in arctic blizzard | that's my battle 'til I get inanimate | still up in the same clothes living like a gameshow