RE: This is gonna be the thread where we talk about stuff
01-30-2012, 05:13 AM
The issue I see with your argument, Agent, is space-pertaining endeavours (I'ma give 'em the blanket term Spacecapades from here on out - because wider-range space travel is a totally different barrel of space-coconuts to, say, space observation like Ol' Hubble or experiments in zero gravity) are actively removing Earth's resources. The key point being, the ones humanity's gotta worry about - seeing's in the billennial/ecosystem scheme of things a bit of fossil fuel or aluminium going missing won't matter squat.
We could dig up the earth until we'd eked out every rocket-powering mineral - and expended a lot of energy in that process - and the net impact of that one probe/sleeper craft/missile would probably still pale in comparison to the solar-powered biosphere that's still chugging along back on Earth. In like, the course of one year's photosynthesising/metabolising/ATP-firing.
The planet's perfectly capable of supporting a stable human population - trouble is, if it's going to be six billion people+ who give a shit about equality then we'll all have to live like our great-great-great grandparents did - which either means no internet or genocide. Your pick!
Having said that, your pipe dream's space exploration - mine just happens to be humanity's mastery and intelligent custodianship over the ecosystem. When I spend my summer watching a field of Brassica napus develop its pods, then consider how the oil therein might be extracted, processed, and pumped into a vehicle that's used to carve rare metals out of the ground so they can clad/stabilise/power/accesorize a spacecraft... well. Maybe I'm selfish, but maybe I feel like that biodiesel's better-used hauling my lazy arse to work so I can find out how magical and weird and relevant to our daily lives the lives of insects are, so I can tell people in turn.
My cynicism in your enthusiasm is as much selfishness as it is selflessness for humanity at large. I just think there's too much fantastic things on Earth without having to discard it and jet off to an extremely hypothetical elsewhere.
We could dig up the earth until we'd eked out every rocket-powering mineral - and expended a lot of energy in that process - and the net impact of that one probe/sleeper craft/missile would probably still pale in comparison to the solar-powered biosphere that's still chugging along back on Earth. In like, the course of one year's photosynthesising/metabolising/ATP-firing.
The planet's perfectly capable of supporting a stable human population - trouble is, if it's going to be six billion people+ who give a shit about equality then we'll all have to live like our great-great-great grandparents did - which either means no internet or genocide. Your pick!
Having said that, your pipe dream's space exploration - mine just happens to be humanity's mastery and intelligent custodianship over the ecosystem. When I spend my summer watching a field of Brassica napus develop its pods, then consider how the oil therein might be extracted, processed, and pumped into a vehicle that's used to carve rare metals out of the ground so they can clad/stabilise/power/accesorize a spacecraft... well. Maybe I'm selfish, but maybe I feel like that biodiesel's better-used hauling my lazy arse to work so I can find out how magical and weird and relevant to our daily lives the lives of insects are, so I can tell people in turn.
My cynicism in your enthusiasm is as much selfishness as it is selflessness for humanity at large. I just think there's too much fantastic things on Earth without having to discard it and jet off to an extremely hypothetical elsewhere.
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clouds is shaky love | broke as hell but i got a bunch of ringtones
eyes blood red bruise aubergine | Sue took something now Sue doesn't sleep | saint average, day in the life of
woke up in the noon smelling doom and death | out the house, great outdoors
staying warm in arctic blizzard | that's my battle 'til I get inanimate | still up in the same clothes living like a gameshow