RE: Lucidstuck II
07-09-2018, 05:10 PM
(This post was last modified: 07-10-2018, 12:10 AM by intrepidPioneer.)
Derrick: Have Emily and Garry discussing plans for bad outcomes while maintaining a clear head
1. Suggest methods or points in the case that Lucia's mother denies that Derrick is Lucia's friend.
2. Discuss the ideas of whether Lucia's mother might try to bar Derrick from entering.
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Derrick: I'm going now.
Garreth: ... Keep your phone on, let us know how things are going.
Garreth: If you get stuck, just send me a message.
Derrick: Okay.
Derrick: I'm going now.
Garreth: ... Keep your phone on, let us know how things are going.
Garreth: If you get stuck, just send me a message.
Derrick: Okay.
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Emily: What a strange development.
Garreth: This is an unprecedented point in this iteration.
Garreth: We managed to make it into the unknown, I couldn't say what could come about at this point.
Garreth: What I do know for sure is... Alice has definitely backed down. She would have something in place by now to stop this if she wanted to.
Garreth: Us going undisturbed this long is quite telling of that.
Emily: Where do you think I got the passes from?
Emily: I had Alice do us a favour, she has forgiven Lucia of everything.
Garreth: W-what? How?
Emily: It's part of her path to reconciliation.
Emily: She is deeply damaged, and I really feel she doesn't understand just how damaged she truly is...
Emily: For now, I've got her to agree to see me every now and then to talk.
Garreth: This... explains so much.
Emily: If we're to end this, we must all work together.
Emily: That includes seeing the whole picture.
Garreth: Right now Derrick is a bit overwhelmed with things, so I can understand why he'd want to have a single point to focus on in this mission.
Garreth: But we have to come up with ways this can go wrong.
Garreth: If Derrick messages us for help, and we give him bad information, things can go south really fast.
Garreth: If we lose Lucia, I don't know how this iteration will continue successfully.
Emily: But wait, I can't recall who told me this but...
Emily: Lucia can't die here, can she?
Emily: I mean, she's like us... Right?
Garreth: .... Not exactly.
Emily: Of all the times I've died, I've always been able to come back.
Emily: And I've died thousands upon thousands of times.
Garreth: .......
Emily: I'm just asking if Lucia is the same.
Garreth: She's not the same.
Garreth: From what I understand, Lucia's death specifically disturbs the construct.
Garreth: I don't know why.
Emily: But if so, then Alice can just reset everything right?
Garreth: .... She only resets when Derrick dies, she doesn't care about anyone else.
Emily: Okay, well then...
Emily: If Lucia dies... Derrick won't be killed by her.
Garreth: Yes, that's the idea, but every time she tries to kill her the construct rejects the attempt.
Emily: So Alice can't kill Lucia.
Garreth: No.
Emily: But Lucia CAN die?
Garreth: Yes.
Emily: And if she does.... Derrick will live?
Garreth: It's unknown. Lucia has always been the one to kill Derrick.
Garreth: Like I said, this point has been unprecedented.
Emily: In the interest of saving Derrick, pardon my thought process but...
Emily: Wouldn't it be in Alice's favor to let this play out in the negative?
Garreth: So you want to sacrifice Lucia to save Derrick?
Emily: N-no! I'm just saying--
Garreth: Emily, of all the times you've been killed why is it this iteration, the only one you've managed to live on in, the iteration where you've successfully reached Alice?
Emily: .....I
Garreth: I believe that the only way to get out of here, is with all of us alive and well like how it started.
Garreth: And that it is impossible to get out without all of us.
Emily: I'm just trying to understand something...
Garreth: What's that?
Emily: I'm trying to understand why Lucia's life is so important to the construct's stability if she can die anyway.
Emily: Would her death not bring about the end as well, against Alice's wishes to move forward?
Emily: Why is it that Alice's intent on killing Lucia disrupts the construct, but her death is still a viable route regardless?
Garreth: .... The only way I can rationalize that is...
Garreth: And I may be totally wrong on this.
Garreth: Alice is being watched by someone or something.
Garreth: Maybe her own morality.
Garreth: Her direct intervention is seen as unfair, and the construct calls foul-play.
Emily: But Alice has directly removed me thousands of times.
Garreth: Maybe it's not about you, but rather... About Alice's own position.
Garreth: Alice has removed you because in her eyes you were seen as an annoyance.
Garreth: But in this case Alice is trying to remove Lucia to literally resolve the problem.
Garreth: The problem cannot be resolved by forcing her out.
Emily: But she can still be moved out by other means.
Garreth: Yes, but I think that's allowed because inherently it doesn't resolve the problem.
Garreth: See, I think the construct - this reality - It's not just a miniature universe filled with our collective thoughts and memories.
Garreth: It's some kind of... Lesson.
Garreth: Some big elaborate simulation game to teach Alice something.
Garreth: When she goes the egotistical, "me, me, me" forced solution route, she's going against the point of it, and thus the construct's "purpose" is in question and starts to rattle.
Garreth: But when she plays along and rationally sifts through ways to resolve her issue, it stays intact.
Garreth: If Lucia dying by Alice makes the construct rattle it means, she's doing it wrong.
Garreth: It does not mean Lucia cannot die.
Emily: Ahh, I see.
Garreth: So Lucia's life is still equally as important.
Emily: But if she does die, how would Derrick?
Garreth: If my theory is correct... I think the construct will have plans for him to die. It would be unforeseen.
Emily: And what theory is that?
Garreth: My theory is that the construct plays out like timelines.
Garreth: Within major timelines, we'll call them A, B, C etc...
Garreth: There's branches, we'll call them 1, 2, 3 etc...
Garreth: If timeline A is where Derrick dies, then it doesn't matter what you do in the branches, the end result is he'll die no matter what.
Garreth: The goal then, would be to get to timelines B, or C.
Garreth: Something Alice has yet to do evidently.
Emily: So is it too late for us?
Garreth: Not necessarily.
Garreth: Like I said where we are right now, is never before seen.
Garreth: Which means we're no longer in timeline A.
Garreth: This can go anywhere.
Garreth: But what's also true is Derrick is still uncertain.
Garreth: Until we get to the bottom of this Derrick death thing, I fear we'll never get out of here.
Emily: Geez...
Emily: What a strange development.
Garreth: This is an unprecedented point in this iteration.
Garreth: We managed to make it into the unknown, I couldn't say what could come about at this point.
Garreth: What I do know for sure is... Alice has definitely backed down. She would have something in place by now to stop this if she wanted to.
Garreth: Us going undisturbed this long is quite telling of that.
Emily: Where do you think I got the passes from?
Emily: I had Alice do us a favour, she has forgiven Lucia of everything.
Garreth: W-what? How?
Emily: It's part of her path to reconciliation.
Emily: She is deeply damaged, and I really feel she doesn't understand just how damaged she truly is...
Emily: For now, I've got her to agree to see me every now and then to talk.
Garreth: This... explains so much.
Emily: If we're to end this, we must all work together.
Emily: That includes seeing the whole picture.
Garreth: Right now Derrick is a bit overwhelmed with things, so I can understand why he'd want to have a single point to focus on in this mission.
Garreth: But we have to come up with ways this can go wrong.
Garreth: If Derrick messages us for help, and we give him bad information, things can go south really fast.
Garreth: If we lose Lucia, I don't know how this iteration will continue successfully.
Emily: But wait, I can't recall who told me this but...
Emily: Lucia can't die here, can she?
Emily: I mean, she's like us... Right?
Garreth: .... Not exactly.
Emily: Of all the times I've died, I've always been able to come back.
Emily: And I've died thousands upon thousands of times.
Garreth: .......
Emily: I'm just asking if Lucia is the same.
Garreth: She's not the same.
Garreth: From what I understand, Lucia's death specifically disturbs the construct.
Garreth: I don't know why.
Emily: But if so, then Alice can just reset everything right?
Garreth: .... She only resets when Derrick dies, she doesn't care about anyone else.
Emily: Okay, well then...
Emily: If Lucia dies... Derrick won't be killed by her.
Garreth: Yes, that's the idea, but every time she tries to kill her the construct rejects the attempt.
Emily: So Alice can't kill Lucia.
Garreth: No.
Emily: But Lucia CAN die?
Garreth: Yes.
Emily: And if she does.... Derrick will live?
Garreth: It's unknown. Lucia has always been the one to kill Derrick.
Garreth: Like I said, this point has been unprecedented.
Emily: In the interest of saving Derrick, pardon my thought process but...
Emily: Wouldn't it be in Alice's favor to let this play out in the negative?
Garreth: So you want to sacrifice Lucia to save Derrick?
Emily: N-no! I'm just saying--
Garreth: Emily, of all the times you've been killed why is it this iteration, the only one you've managed to live on in, the iteration where you've successfully reached Alice?
Emily: .....I
Garreth: I believe that the only way to get out of here, is with all of us alive and well like how it started.
Garreth: And that it is impossible to get out without all of us.
Emily: I'm just trying to understand something...
Garreth: What's that?
Emily: I'm trying to understand why Lucia's life is so important to the construct's stability if she can die anyway.
Emily: Would her death not bring about the end as well, against Alice's wishes to move forward?
Emily: Why is it that Alice's intent on killing Lucia disrupts the construct, but her death is still a viable route regardless?
Garreth: .... The only way I can rationalize that is...
Garreth: And I may be totally wrong on this.
Garreth: Alice is being watched by someone or something.
Garreth: Maybe her own morality.
Garreth: Her direct intervention is seen as unfair, and the construct calls foul-play.
Emily: But Alice has directly removed me thousands of times.
Garreth: Maybe it's not about you, but rather... About Alice's own position.
Garreth: Alice has removed you because in her eyes you were seen as an annoyance.
Garreth: But in this case Alice is trying to remove Lucia to literally resolve the problem.
Garreth: The problem cannot be resolved by forcing her out.
Emily: But she can still be moved out by other means.
Garreth: Yes, but I think that's allowed because inherently it doesn't resolve the problem.
Garreth: See, I think the construct - this reality - It's not just a miniature universe filled with our collective thoughts and memories.
Garreth: It's some kind of... Lesson.
Garreth: Some big elaborate simulation game to teach Alice something.
Garreth: When she goes the egotistical, "me, me, me" forced solution route, she's going against the point of it, and thus the construct's "purpose" is in question and starts to rattle.
Garreth: But when she plays along and rationally sifts through ways to resolve her issue, it stays intact.
Garreth: If Lucia dying by Alice makes the construct rattle it means, she's doing it wrong.
Garreth: It does not mean Lucia cannot die.
Emily: Ahh, I see.
Garreth: So Lucia's life is still equally as important.
Emily: But if she does die, how would Derrick?
Garreth: If my theory is correct... I think the construct will have plans for him to die. It would be unforeseen.
Emily: And what theory is that?
Garreth: My theory is that the construct plays out like timelines.
Garreth: Within major timelines, we'll call them A, B, C etc...
Garreth: There's branches, we'll call them 1, 2, 3 etc...
Garreth: If timeline A is where Derrick dies, then it doesn't matter what you do in the branches, the end result is he'll die no matter what.
Garreth: The goal then, would be to get to timelines B, or C.
Garreth: Something Alice has yet to do evidently.
Emily: So is it too late for us?
Garreth: Not necessarily.
Garreth: Like I said where we are right now, is never before seen.
Garreth: Which means we're no longer in timeline A.
Garreth: This can go anywhere.
Garreth: But what's also true is Derrick is still uncertain.
Garreth: Until we get to the bottom of this Derrick death thing, I fear we'll never get out of here.
Emily: Geez...
1. Suggest methods or points in the case that Lucia's mother denies that Derrick is Lucia's friend.
2. Discuss the ideas of whether Lucia's mother might try to bar Derrick from entering.