Nostalgfia - GAME OVER SCUM WIN

Scumfishing is a thing too; making particular comments and throwing out lines specifically to draw out scum-positive responses.

Schazer's voting has been all over the place and immediately jumping on the idea of a hospital was a big departure from their reserved D1 posting. Votes that confuse me are granola accusing spider and me pairing yet voting solaris, pharm joining nec on wheat and the sheer volume of abstentions.

but I wouldn't call you scummy for looking for scum
also you haven't been doing much of that

also yeah granola is correct, the votals go

person being voted for(number of votes) - 1st voter, 2nd voter, etc.

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I should say on the front of nolynching on d1 i still don't understand why some people say that it's a bad thing. Like, sure, you gain some information by learning who the dead person was, but that seems like pretty worthless information at a bad cost if (when, usually) you lynch a townie in the process? It seems like it helps the mafia more than anything? I mean I'm like, not nearly as deep on maf strats as many of the others so, idk but y'know. It seems counterintuitive.

i'm a little with a52 on 'information gathering' but not because i think people trying to stir up information is bad and I think that "wow sure are making much ado about nothing maybe YOU'RE the scum" is a little bit uh, weird at best.

i'm mostly quiet because i always second guess myself on actually saying things until i feel confident, and i'm never confident!

For example, I had a whole paragraph here about how I thought seedy seemed a little, uh, seedy, but skimming the thread again i'm not sure how much it had to stand on but I still do think harping on Agent for having 'vague opinions' on a day where all we've got as far as i can tell is vague information is a little bit weirdly harsh and I don't like it.

speaking of vague information i don't think wheat being a dog is inherently suspicious, and schazer's quick to jump on the hospital thing made me feel not good but i don't have a constructive feeling on it

it is time for me to be the overly helpful person and explain some things. luckily, much of your questions are connected to a fundamental concept at the heart of mafia, which makes for a neat thesis statement

in lieu of inforoles claiming, all of the information town has to go on in a mafia game is the results of death, the flips.

these flips are MEANINGLESS if they are not CONNECTED to living players who had concrete opinions on the person

no lynching on d1 can be a really bad thing if people "always" no lynch so that everyone knows there's not a lot of pressure or commitment d1. yesterday was alright because there was some actual pressure and the possibility of a lynch. but if no one does much of anything d1 town essentially goes into d2 with hardly any more info than they had d1. imo you don't HAVE to lynch d1 but there's good reasons to at least seriously pursue one.

to continue this, we all state our opinions (even if it's just a hunch and we're not totally sure, even if they might change later) to give us meaningful connections to other players. the IDEA is that since town is trying to scumhunt, and scum is only attempting to appear to scumhunt, the connections formed will...be different. this is a sort of weird area and a lot of it is instinct and guesswork.

buuuut the long and short of it is
1. "the game" as it is doesn't work out as well as it could if people don't give concrete opinions and COMMIT to things
2. scum knows that committing to things is dangerous and may possibly incriminate them in the future, and is scared of committing to stuff for these reasons

these 2 reasons are why we pressure people who are being vague and waffling and trying to "participate" without actually being willing to seen saying anything in particular. I guess it might seem a little "mean" to put a spotlight on agent, but really I could pressure a lot of people in this thread for that.