Buzzfia - Party Preparations - Night 7 (10/22 live)

Okay Wheat has a fair point re: busdrivers.

Follow up question: what about the daykillers that are very likely hiding off to the side waiting to use said powers? I guess I'm just not a fan of sitting on our hands doing nothing when we even had a day zero for people to do some things?

Another option is to just play things safe and kill Dunnenergy vOv.

Regardless I don't like the fact that anyone is voting for Wheat, and am most unhappy with the people who are justifying it with the whole 'but I have to because I don't trust these other people' argument.

Vote: Reecer

Think this is right but I only spent about a minute putting them together.

Wheat (5) : a52, Reecer6, Myeth, Robust Laser, Thalia V1
a52 (4) : Solaris, amosmyn, Seedy, Sunspider
Reecer6 (2) : Numbers, Palamedes

a52 unvoted wheat #117 and Myeth unvoted wheat #135! so it'd be Wheat (3) which means they're currently up for the chopping block

Ah right, I knew Wheat had too many votes. That just means that fewer people need to change their Wheat vote!

Wheat (3) : Reecer6, Robust Laser, Thalia V1
a52 (4) : Solaris, amosmyn, Seedy, Sunspider
Reecer6 (2) : Numbers, Palamedes

unvote: wheat robust, reecer, i think you guys should unvote too

*shrugs wildly at numbers*

It is extremely unfortunate that if the non-hammer on Wheat goes through we'll probably??? maybe??? we definitely need clarification on this??? not have anyone else to lynch and go NL, because death is good for information and whatnot, but I'm telling you. There are two endings to this day, and they are:

1. Wheat gets not-hammered
2. Wheat gets lynched.

If no one's voting Wheat by the time we're approaching dayend, someone's going to snatch the chance at four goodies up at the eleventh hour. You can't even necessarily be mad at them, because that could be super helpful for town, we don't know.

I think I can shift my vote on one condition though, that we formally and very loudly agree to suspect anyone who does selfishly gallis Wheat to the highest degree. A proper lynch would be super nice. Not sure if that's enough though, because one of those items may very well get someone to survive a lynch, or something like that.

This just reads to me as HEY I Hope No One Calls Me Out And Lets Me Stay On This Train!
Unvote Now, Diplomatise later, maybe?

I suddenly want wheat and dunnergy to both die for turning this day into a really annoying mechanics/numbers/Best Practices debate

myeth is almost certainly some kind of serial killer regardless of what alignment they actually ended up with

reecer it's odd to ask us to "formally and very loudly agree" to suspect someone who ganks a town player last-minute
isn't something like that so common-sense it doesn't even need to be said?

Complimentary Votals:

Wheat (2) : Reecer6, Robust Laser
a52 (4) : Solaris, amosmyn, Seedy, Sunspider
Reecer6 (1) : Numbers, Palamedes

Abstaining (10) : Mirdini, Schazer, dunnergy, LegendaryQ, Justice Watch, awkwardcarapace,, ProfessorLizzard, Tehpilot, Wheat, a52, Lordlyhour, Myeth, Thalia V1.

No New Bids:

A. Energy Drink - 2 coins - Robust Laser
C. Granola Bar - 2 coins - awkwardcarapace
D. Chocolate Bar - 1 coin - a52
E. Chocolate Milk - 1 coin - Lordlyhour
G. Purple Heart Gummies - 2 coins - Sunspider

It takes 6 votes to Soft Lynch and 12 to Hammer (Hard Lynch). Day 1 ends in ~64 hours (Thursday October 11th, 11 am EST).

Mod QA: Wheat, if having 1 or more votes (but not the majority) will be the SOLE lynch. If Wheat has any votes and someone else reaches Hard Lynch, nothing will happen as that would be a hammer killing Wheat and Wheat can't be hammered.

tldr; "3. Nothing happens, and Wheat will be lynched at the end of the day."

wheat basically exists as a potential sacrifice that anyone can use to avoid being lynched...if we lynch scum or 3p the result will be a wheat lynch...town could have reasons for doing it as well but it would be a silly play
so in conclusion the second we lynch correctly, wheat dies instead and someone not-town gets their items

i like that wheats very existence brings exciting and terrible game mechanics

i guess i should try to put thought in this game but its much more fun for me, in this moment, not to, and i like my Person Who's Into Crystals shit too much right now whoops!

anyway seedy that presents an argument to not have wheat be a pinata especially given that i know what one of the items he can get does (tee hee!) and its, not something we'd want someone who's scum to have? but also i feel like whoevers willing to do that is like, DEFINITELY going to like, already be Buff As Shit

anyway im fine lynching a52 tho, thats what my darling Jimantha says

Yeah a part of me would almost rather just get Wheat out of the way now because the longer we go on the bigger a deal it is for someone to have all of his items.

The problem with that is I don't want to commit to thinking anyone but me is town enough to deserve it.

Maybe amos, but that's not worth much this early.

anyway here's what would be funny

if wheat was the only member of the "real town" and everyone else who's town doesnt care about the CEO's traitor finder garbage

Mirdini where are you.

you know, my ultimatum doesn't really work when i stop having the power to at least threaten a hammer. this is a group effort, guys!! >:(

No lynch because a52 hasn't actually done anything and i don't want a random bandwagon to get scarier

reecer it's odd to ask us to "formally and very loudly agree" to suspect someone who ganks a town player last-minute
isn't something like that so common-sense it doesn't even need to be said?

You're not wrong but that was kind of the point! It might be assumed but if it's not said in text you might get someone trying to waffle out of it and then people might go "They make a good argument." I wanted to knock those arguments out through the power of ad hoc legislation.

Right now I think it's more important to make it clear that I don't actually want the fancy things for myself (as tempting as they are) (i mean if they were free i'd take them but...). Willing to jump back on that vote if things shift though. Getting the opportunity for someone to cancel a lynch out of the way is a legitimate idea, though, because yeah, don't want to waste a day later. Man, public gallises have a lot of intricacies to them.

I mean, hrmmm. I really want Wheat to be a pinata, because fun and shenanigans wheeeeeee~, but the argument that that's probably at least a bit bad is valid. Would Wheat be okay with telling us what items are currently in the running via night 1? I feel confident just from the names I have an idea what some of the items do, and I doubt any of them are particularly pleasant in the hands of scum. As it stands, when Wheat dies, 4 items will be distributed (assuming lynch)

Some concerns:

• If one person votes Wheat, they get all 4+ items.
  
• Technically, something like a daykill could deal with this (by killing the one person on Wheat), but could burn a town-aligned kill ability and (Wheat goes back to zero, but the main lynch target died.)
  
• Additionally, Wheat only distributes items on lynch. Night or daykilling Wheat results in the items just going away (presumably?).
  

@Solaris: how do you mean? Do you mean just that there's plausibly a ton of 3rd parties?

EBWOP: second bullet I forgot to write in the second bit. In full, with new stuff in underline:

Technically, something like a daykill could deal with this (by killing the one person on Wheat), but could burn a town-aligned kill ability and risk a no-lynch (Wheat goes back to zero, but the main lynch target died.)

Man, I never know what to do in these games

I really want wheat to live and grow peacefully, swelling up with items like a fattening hog, until he is ripe for the slaughter. Hot damn do I like me some risk/reward.

As far as weaseling out alignments, we gotta keep in mind the very real possibility of hostile third parties, the presence of which will make us die faster. I personally would not be comfortable with lynching someone today until we have some more information on what we're dealing with here in terms of that. If we do happen to lynch some scum, great. But right now I feel kinda blind, and swinging around a wiimote without observing our surroundings is reckless and dangerous. So I'm voting no lynch.

Bid 2 coins on B.

I'm not entirely sure if I want a mafia lynched today since then I would just put a vote on wheat tomorrow if I survive the night, and then who knows how that will work out. Can't tell if this would be bad or good for town, but it will certainly be frustrating.

If we lynch wheat I'd become confirmed town, or the most surprising mafia ever. I think the best way to work that out is only I vote wheat, so everyone knows someone on town got the items. We'd need to get everyone to agree to this, but if they don't agree they'll seem suspicious. However, this means mafia will just kill me before I can use any of the ill gotten gains I've acquired. Bad news for me.

Personally, I'd hope we can all work together and lynch either the secret 16^th player or the vending machine, because I'm just dying to find out what their win conditions are.
Vote Vending Machine for new Dunnergy.

wait hold on. epiphany.

the sixteenth player...
are they lying hidden somewhere in this school? are they the one they call the ultimate despair???

do we have to watch out for them?!?!!?!??!!

i actually like dunnery's idea

Vote: Vending Machine

lets turn this vending machine into a person

@Solaris: how do you mean? Do you mean just that there's plausibly a ton of 3rd parties?

wheats role is written as an independent and wheat is the CEO's son so it would be funny if the interpretation of events is as such that theres' two towns and one of them is just wheat whos like "yeah i guess we should help my paranoid dad find the traitors" and the other one is "hey what the fuck is up with this murder party, what the fuck? no?"

Oh my gosh that's hilarious

Absolutely yes vote Vending Machine

Would not mind Dunn becoming wheat though I'd like one or two other people on him (just in case Wheat is something secret and horrible) or the vending machine.

on board with this

vote Vending Machine

HELLO EVERYONE.

IF YOU LOOK TO MY LEFT YOU WILL SEE PEOPLE MAKING THE APPARENT ASSUMPTION WHEAT IS TOWN? WHICH I DO NOT KNOW WHY THAT IS SO. THE ROLE SPECIFIES "INDEPENDENT" AND DOES NOT OTHERWISE INDICATE A WIN CONDITION. REGARDLESS THE STAR CHILD OF THIS ORGANIZATION'S PATRIARCHY WILL SERVE TO ABSORB LYNCHES AND CONTINUE TO SAY THINGS WELL PAST THEIR WELCOME, SO I AM NOT EXACTLY INCENSED TO GO AFTER THEM.

AND IF YOU WOULD LOOK TO MY RIGHT, YOU WILL SEE A VERY SUSPICIOUS VENDING MACHINE. IN ALL MY YEARS, I HAVE NEVER BEEN MORE SUSPICIOUS OF A PIECE OF MACHINERY OTHER THAN THAT HAUNTED COMBINE HARVESTER AT THE MANSION FROM ABOUT FIFTEEN YEARS AGO. GOD I HATED TALKING ABOUT THAT THING. I STILL HATE TALKING ABOUT IT. THIS VENDING MACHINE REMINDS ME OF TERRIBLE MEMORIES. CAN WE LYNCH THE VENDING MACHINE PLEASE THANK YOU.

AND, IF YOU LOOK ABOVE ME, YOU CAN SEE THE CLOUDED METAGAME THOUGHTS I WILL NOT ENTERTAIN AT THIS TIME AND INSTEAD WILL RATHER PRESERVE THEM FOR A MORE APPROPRIATE MOMENT.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FEEL FREE TO ASK. I WILL DO MY BEST TO TELL YOU MORE ABOUT THIS FACILITY (AND/OR GAMESTATE) TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY. PLEASE, FOLLOW ME ALONG ON THIS LYNCH.

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