The Wander Island Incident - Night Four - Five For One [13/21]

Like I do get that she hasn't been great on the mechanicals, but I think her primary objection has always been "I don't think AC has a death power"

while airey and tehpilot cower in fear of my impressive cuteness

You got me there. I've been had.

(More posting when I get home. My only fear is my day job.)

so cute you must die.

(been swamped with work will post for reals when i get home)

pretty much. thanks for helping explain it, making points over and over and getting nowhere can start to feel a little crazy. I’m only just realizing how that sentence that seemed straightforward to me is actually kind of bad grammatically lol
basically...I thought that “death power” was a reasonable thing to voice as a *hunch* as to why ac was okay with dying but...I didn’t understand why acio was voicing it as MORE than a hunch (nor did I really feel there was strong evidence for it...their behavior doesn’t suddenly make much more sense when viewed in that light)
and then I also didn’t understand the certainty about a role being town or scum. I still don’t. I didn’t think that would be something I’d have to explain through theorizing different roles...from my perspective it makes as much sense as saying that a doctor isn’t always a town role. it seems self-evident...I mostly just expected you to explain your points in more detail when I made the post that set this off vOv
I’ve modded much much less games, so maybe I just have a poor perspective on what constitutes balance and good roles

I’m definitely not going to think ac is town on the presumption that they have a death power and the further presumption that death power = town.

I think this is a miscommunication situation. I think your parsing of this statement is technically correct but I think the redundant nature of the sentence indicates it's mistyped. I think she meant to say that she disagrees with both the presumption that AC has a death power and the presumption that death power=town and therefore doesn't agree with the conclusion that AC is mechanically town. She continues to restate these points throughout her subsequent posts.

The only incidence of the sentiment you're talking about other than the one you pointed out earlier is here which appears to be responding to the post where I explain why I think she's scum

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I also don’t think that “ac has an on-death thing” is truly necessary to explain their behavior nor do I think it explains the way they’ve played perfectly
it would make some of it (mostly the resignation towards death) make more sense but I don’t understand why you find it so totally convincing

I am not saying it’s a GOOD role. again I hate bringing up meta especially when mirdini is powerless to watch as I analyze his modding meta but if I recall correctly scum in quarantine DID have a quack doctor (that was only revealed when flipped)

there are reasons to put a role in that aren’t “this is good for this faction” such as:
-obfuscating “town roles” and “scum roles”
-iterating on a theme
-giving someone A Role makes them feel more special and involved
-Fun

also I did say that I think ac’s behavior has other explanations (and that I think it’s also weird that you’re so certain about them based on play that is vaguely suggestive at best), I’m just focusing on the mechanical part because it’s what boggles me the most about your interpretation

and I’ve never had a “hard reason” to believe schazer is scum, what

To be frank I think you're too intent on peacekeeping here and reading too much into that first line; I think her argument (prior to mechanics discussion) about why to think AC is scum is insubstantial but that's subjective and we're never going to get anywhere on it

I don't think the two instances where it's brought back up have enough meat to them to indicate it's a strong thing she's considering compared to actually formulating a response to the mechanics argument and /not/ a response that answers the question I give

This isn't rhetorical btw name me something that fits the description, what can you give scum that is actually /worth/ them dying. Something that is worth scum dying when there is a serial killer in play to make them die faster

*shrug* I tried several times to respond to your request for input only to be stymied by your interpretation of that line. I'm only reading so far into it cuz it's apparently foundational to your argument.

hey granola and seedy here's a wild fuckening proposition

do we wanna lynch Aci

The gang over in Jestertimes managed to bring down Mirdini, it could be construed as A Sign

given that I now realize acio has a neutral/slightly positive read on ac before he flipped to big town on them and that combined with a HEAVY scum read on me is probably enough the explain this whole....thing...that I initially found wildly illogical...so this really does feel like it has been a huge distraction and waste of time... orz
at least if ac had a death role we’d be able to put theories into practice

this is all your fault, ac *shakes fist*

p.s. acio I don’t understand why if you post a hunch that feels weird to me (and one that is later disproven) and I say “hey this hunch is weird” suddenly I’m the one who has to explain in excruciating detail why ac’s play hasn’t really suggested on-death powers instead of you explaining why you’re so dead certain their play suggests that in the first place
tbh to some degree it feels like you’re the one who’s focused on the “mechanical” aspect of my contradiction because it was easier for you to type mafia theory than to explain your intuitive playstyle read leap

(I need to go google wikihow not to have to have the last word)

hey granola and seedy here's a wild fuckening proposition

do we wanna lynch Aci

watch as the devil tries to tempt me with their wiles...playing on my greatest sin of all.......the need to win arguments

hey granola and seedy here's a wild fuckening proposition

do we wanna lynch Aci

Can I chime in to say: On what grounds?

I mean as much as I don’t “enjoy” what acio has been doing here I can’t help feeling that if he was actually scum trying to get me mislynched he’d be doing so in a way that at least got a small wagon instead of everyone going “you guys are both exhaustingly bad at this conversation in different and conflicting ways and we’re sick of it”

maybe “he’d be doing a better job” is a bad basis, but this whole thing feels pretty...honest

hey granola and seedy here's a wild fuckening proposition

do we wanna lynch Aci

Can I chime in to say: On what grounds?

“you guys are both exhaustingly bad at this conversation in different and conflicting ways and we’re sick of it”

hey granola and seedy here's a wild fuckening proposition

do we wanna lynch Aci

Granola you irrefutable spawn of a rat fuck coward I know you're reading this, answer me

I'm hella tempted but I need to see where Acio lands after this squabble.

yeah, this whole Thing between Acio and Seedy has felt like the same kind of Thing what happened with aC/BC earlier today; repeated hounding based on miscommunication/misinterpretation. if you're asking someone questions, and one of the questions you end up asking is "why won't you answer my questions?" and the answer is "I did" and this happens multiple times, then Something Has Gone Wrong. Incidentally, that ties into that whole "I might regret this" thing what I said earlier: I wasn't convinced that my own vote for aC wasn't... an OMGUS? is that the right usage? based on a dislike of specific technique or attitude, rather than identifiable long-term patterns of behavior. hence also why I was so willing to swap votes to Sai, once I led myself to that whole conclusion.

NTA asked Schazer the question I wanted to ask re: aC, and while I'd like some more cohesive thoughts of their own re: who is scum and who is town they also asked a lot of other good questions. I know I didn't phrase that as a question, but could you give some solid reads? If you think Blazer and aC could be pulling some crazy scum gambit, what are your thoughts on the more notable commenters on the argument?

At this stage, I do not think aC and BC are both scum. Like, it's still theoretically possible? But it's too wacky for me to put stock in rn, especially after the what-feels-like-wholly-unnecessary roleclaim from Blazer, accompanied by aC's complete lack of self-defense. it's just. that's not galaxy-brain, that's universe-brain. if they're both mafia and this all works to keikaku then they don't deserve to win so much as we deserve to lose, y'know?

the shortlist:

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Town
BlazerC
seedy
Granolaman

Non-Scum
Solaris

3rd-Party
Schazer

Non-Town
awkwardCarapace
Sai

Scum
(no solid reads)

Non-3rd Party
Coldblooded
Numbers
Acionyx
Jacquerel
Palamedes

????????
TehPilot
Justice Watch
SleepingOrange
Robust Laser
Airey

there was gonna be a "the longlist" but not author needs food badly. I'll be back, uh... probably not until tomorrow evening, actually. whoops?


incidentally, @Palamedes, I'm... still voting for Sai...? so I'm not sure what you meant in #450 when you said I "retracted." Clarify?

aC/BC

At first I just laughed at this little bit then realised: if seedy still had their original username from mspaf we'd have, as a follow-up:

Aci/cD

The Vaunted Votals

awkwardcarapace - 7 (BlazerC, Granolaman, Jacquerel, Coldblooded, seedy, Solaris, Palamedes)
BlazerC - 3 (awkwardcarapace, SleepingOrange, Sai)
Solaris - 3 (TehPilot, Airey, Numbers)
Sai - 1 (Not The Author)
Numbers - 1 (Schazer)
seedy - 1 (Acionyx)

Abstaining - 2 (Robust Laser, [JWatch's Replacement])

With 18 players alive it takes 10 votes to hard lynch, and 6 votes to soft lynch. Day ends in 48 hours, at 10am CET on Saturday, September 1st.

Day End Countdown

beruru has replaced Justice Watch

No Granola, Beruru isn't even in this game. They must have escaped before the lockdown.

unfortunately, mirdini found me hiding in a vent

i forgot how good my signature is on this forum

anyway it's 3 am and i need to sleep, but first.... beruthoughts

acio is a villager
schaz is too
airey wyd
CB maybe in italics but probably just a villager
numbers is ~weird
pala is town. ok
aC don't like
i have no clue what RL is doing and i don't like it
i thought seedy was mafia but i think acio and seedy are both town for that fight. maybe
how the heckie did y'all manage to not mislynch. LQ was actually extremely villagery for someone who was 3p (probably because of the solo) and he was actually trying to be helpful to town. well, it worked out in the end. but it wasn't great
granola is weird in a not-town way
solaris is extremely ??? a villager, maybe. not mafia, maybe 3p.
sai is a wolf, it says so in his location :giggle: (he's probably town)

things that would be really helpful to a bear:

- list of claims/clears and who claimed them
- schazer and seedy should fight each other but like.... in a kind and gentle way. but also, poke each other with sticks
- jac didn't actually talk about granola in 365?
- i don't wanna lynch blazer lol
- it's been 5 years but i still think AC is me when it's coming from y'all

also acio is town he just spent 3 years training with eidolonic and it's not great when combined with his personality. :X sorry acio

also (i don't know how to bold things) vote: granola (let's test this)

it worked!!!!!!!!!!! yee

ok im going to bed

i turned email subscriptions on because you don't have user @s or someone-quoted-you email notifications

pls dont make me regret this, ty.

that last line should be in size 72 bold and underlined because it's not just about the email subs

i think playing on a giant hub site with ~500 active players for the last year has really dulled my reaction to playing in unfamiliar settings

i thought i would feel weirder about this but i really don't

but THAT's the weird part

tl;dr

tadaima

(ok im going to bed now)

Hi beru thanks for subbing in

I can see there's a few people whose activity you didn't post a read of, can I confirm though you did a sweep of Slorange's content at least?

I mainly mention slorange cuz you wanted declared clears, and he cleared me. Also Aci and maybe blazerC claimed on-death abilities triggering but otherwise I don't remember anyone declaring clears

Also the one read of yours I really agree with is "Numbers weird", whenever you read this could you elaborate why? Cuz all I have is vibes rn