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BlazerC · 08-29-2018, 09:29 AM

Fair enough, aC. I also agree with Schazer, people should talk. Lotta stuff was said for everyone to chew on.

I genuinely feels like this day has gone on forever though but I'm a little stunned to learn that we still have somewhere in the ballpark of 71 hours to go. I would have waited a bit longer before doing this dumb thing myself if I knew that, honestly. But now I gotta say it before it derails the whole damn conversation.

Point is, if both of us are town, I don't see a world where either of us live to survive the end of Day 3. And it would be a slow process with a lot of nightkills that would put town at possible disadvantage.

so let me just get this over with and say this:

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When I get lynched I take someone with me.

Yes I'm aware it's a role better suited for perhaps surviving until MYLO or something, but at this point either aC is Mafia and I get cleared making my role moot, or aC is town and I've bungled this up so much I doubt I'd survive long enough. And yes in that scenario, I could shoot for a Day 3 precision kill on my lynch but I also doubt my accuracy on anyone other than aC right now.

I've actually been somewhat afraid of dying, not because I'd be dead, but because I'm deathly afraid of the idea of accidentally killing a town power role in my vengekill.

People want us both dead regardless and I can understand why, so I offer the solution: Lynch me and I'll pop on aC. We both flip, town gets a lot of info and there's a high chance that one of us even mafia as well.

If we're both town, it gets this mess out of the way.
If aC is mafia and I'm town, it's a good trade.
If I'm mafia and aC's town, I'm a lying pile of garbage and I just die.

Soft Lynch me, use the day to chat. I think that's the best case scenario.

Solaris · 08-29-2018, 01:12 PM

Ahh, so it's like that huh? I understand everything now.

I'm not super confident in that as a plan? Having a on lynch ability makes sense as a thing that explains, you're entire deal with your play i guess? all of the posts you've made have been, a lot in ways and this is like, definitely, wild as a scum gambit but the paranoid part of me is wondering if there could be scum on lynch ability shenanigans...

its also interesting to me that theres only been two mechanical like "something happened to you in the night" things, but i guess not every game can have a massive night action mystery.

oh yeah also

MirdiVotalBot Wrote:Solaris - 3 (TehPilot, Airey, Numbers)

this is such a fuckin weird, side thing thats happening today i dont understand it at all

anyway awkward carapace you should roleclaim as you have no chance to survive make your time

and blazer please give me the uhhhh bit in your role qt or name where mirdini tells you your specific role action so that we actually know how your lynchbomb works lol

Solaris · 08-29-2018, 01:18 PM

to clarify, i understand why people are voting for me, it is because they are jealous of how popular and cute i am, it is just the specific people voting for me and the posts theyve made about it are wild

Coldblooded · 08-29-2018, 03:32 PM

Ugh, goddammit Blazer, it was already obvious that you were town.

Sorry, but I'm not on board with lynching you, the math just doesn't check out. One scum death is better then trading a townie for a scum death, and in the case of a mislynch one town death is better than two.

Also, looking at the list of people who've voted Blazer today, (Acionyx, Numbers, AC, Sai, Slorange), I kinda hate it? Literally everyone on this list falls somewhere between a neutral and scumread for me, so no thanks I'll pass.

If you really are a vengeful then there's also no reason why we shouldn't expect scum to just shoot you at some point? You're not a bomb, and you dying earlier in the game just means that you'll have way info to base your kill on. And like, even if we assume that scum is planning to roleblock you or something, it's still better for them to have to blow a power use and the nightkill than to just hand them a free townie lynch on a silver platter.

Jacquerel · 08-29-2018, 03:37 PM

This would be an absolutely wild scum play given that they literally just lost a player last night and it's day two I guess but I still don't like it very much.
Although I can't put my finger on why because I wanted to lynch aC anyway, I guess I just don't like roles coming out.

I am interested in why you would ask aC what his role is before killing him though.
What benefit is that if he's going to die and flip anyway? Is there anything he could say that would change your mind about killing him, given that if he's that important a town player and not lying he'll probably get killed tonight anyway, and if so then why did you claim?
People aren't going to counter claim him if he says he's a doctor or whatever, it's day two.

Like think about this, if aC is actually scum and lies to you:
1) You don't believe him, he dies anyway, worth a shot.
2) You don't kill him, so he gets to live a bit longer using a fake claim and just outed yourself for no reason. Also, maybe now we also believe him and so people waste their time trying to protect aC from night kills that weren't going to target him anyway.

And if aC is town with a useful role and tells the truth:
1) You don't believe him, he dies anyway, we didn't learn anything extra from this reveal.
2) You don't kill him, so now scum knows what role he has and either kills him or gets free reign to kill whoever else because anyone we have who can protect people has to do that now. We still don't gain anything.

If you're not confident enough to kill aC you shouldn't have revealed yourself to start with.
If we go with this gambit as our plan then fine, but then we don't want to spend all day talking about whether aC's role claim is a lie or not or we didn't gain anything by spending the additional 60 hours talking because that question will just be answered when he's dead.

Jacquerel · 08-29-2018, 04:00 PM

(08-28-2018, 05:59 PM)Jacquerel Wrote: »I think I'm gonna go back to the other people on there later instead of right now (it seems like especially TehPilot and BlazerC I need to pay more attention to than I have been) to stop this from being a big post and also because I want to do something else right now, but also right now I'm willing to lynch aC today.

Day one read on TehPilot is: bad
Made an earlyish post talking purely about numbers and Q, jumped on a likely wagon, and then dropped off the radar for the rest of the day without adding anything else
This is the behaviour I would expect of scum who didn't want to get noticed

BlazerC I'm not really gonna bother right now because this current thing is probably all we're going to talk about with lynching BlazerC right now and not whatever he was doing yesterday

Granola day one is low content, does not bother to justify getting on wagon very hard, but I like more than TehPilot.

I didn't like "I'd daycop me" when numbers said it though and I also don't like it off Granola. That just means "I want to be able to post with impunity" / "I want to get shot by the scum team" and that isn't like... a good thing for town to say out loud generally?

So off the people who joined the Q wagon who I'm not already voting for, definitely feeling worst about TehPilot and then secondly about Granola.
Three scum out of seven people seems like it'd be excessive though.

TehPilot today has said "I don't think aC and Blazer are knowingly aligned" which is like..... duh? and then jumps on Solaris.
I can't say I would call Solaris a town read other than she's made moves that seem too weird to be something a scum player would do, but the fact that I don't like what TehPilot has been doing makes me feel better about Solaris.

Limited most of their talk today to low content posters instead of any of the other things that have been going on until prodded to do otherwise by someone they'd actually need to worry about.
Bad look.
"I don't like aC but also don't want to vote for them right now because they're already at soft lynch". Believable, but unfortunate if true because still not a good look, because it's a very convenient way to not have to commit and have plausible deniability.

Also, stated scum read on Solaris was partially due to thinking that they were on a team with aC.
Now no longer believes that those two are on a team, also would be willing to vote for aC, however instead retains their vote on Solaris.
That doesn't quite add up.

Jacquerel · 08-29-2018, 04:00 PM

Would be happy to lynch TehPilot if we don't want to kill aC but I'm still alright with killing aC, quite happy to do so without lynching BlazerC at the same time.

Jacquerel · 08-29-2018, 04:04 PM

Side eyeing Granola for "I have a townish read on Jacq but he's right in pointing out that he shouldn't be that high on anyone's list after yesterday" because I'm right in pointing out that I shouldn't be that high on anyone's list after yesterday, at least not on page 14 when that was posted.
It doesn't stop being true because you said so, and I will side eye people who say that just after I was actively posting because it still sounds to me like "I'm your friend, don't look at me".

Acionyx · 08-29-2018, 04:09 PM

Huh

Feeling kind of stuck, seedy voting on AC if AC is town is frankly kind of a really bad move as scum but I kinda feel like the entire rest of that lynch is town

Carapace/Seedy/Pharmacy/Schazer? 4/2/15 split w serial killer is... that's seedy going all in on dumpstering the rest of the team on day two. I could see it but yikes. If it's 5/2/14 it might make sense?

Hrm

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Slorange
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Sai
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If AC/Seedy are town numbers looks like a given, one of airey/pala, robust laser? Schazer maybe given seedy's Thing? It fits with a team that's trying not to rock the boat D1 and I can def see that kind of play when we only had 72 hours to start with

AC scum world it feels like the only fits are seedy/solaris/lurker?

Vote: Robust Laser Feels bad in all options

awkwardcarapace · 08-29-2018, 04:14 PM

Ah,

Well, after getting over the gut reaction of "this is absolutely wild", I'm still totally

(08-29-2018, 01:24 AM)awkwardcarapace Wrote: »okay with this

This hunter role claim... it doesn't seem like a scum gambit? It would make sense as a scumplay considering if it isn't challenged, it'll discourage some players from voting for 'em during dayphases but, like, I doubt anything this early on. (If it is a scumbit - whooh, geez. Madlad.) And I can't think of any scum roles that have this ability? So I'm feeling fine with that - I will say one thing though, which is BlazerC presents this as a kind of Final Ultimatum which I don't agree with. In fact, if what Blazer says is true (that he's town) why bother with this whole lynch-me-lynch-aC thing? It's better for town if only one player dies so wouldn't just a direct lynch be the better option?

And uh, nah, I'm not going to role reveal. Blazer, if you're dead-set on killing me when you "supposedly" get lynched end of D2, you'll find out then.

Acionyx · 08-29-2018, 04:20 PM

Hmyeah could go for airey too after running through his posts, said the right words about lynching day one and still opted to sit on granola and not get involved in Q at all, only thing today of interest is enough opposition to solaris to cop/gun/vote

Coldblooded · 08-29-2018, 04:28 PM

Acio, what did Sai, Slorange, and Pilot do to get read as town? Like I could maybe see an argument for the first two on the grounds that not /everyone/ on the Blazer lynch can be scum, but besides that???

seedy · 08-29-2018, 04:31 PM

I’m with jac that like...idk the blazer thing seems weird but otoh I have let myself get lynched as town just to activate a power (mine wasn’t even that good) so like some of the other’s said blazer’s play seems a little less wild
(gotta get back to work will talk about acio’s stuff later)
ac if you’re just going to be 0kay with this then at least give us a list of reads on everyone so we have something to remember you by
I support trying to get RL to be present cuz I literally forgot they existed when I made a short reads post

anyways

@Slorange

Quote:people I'm mechanically confident are town

que

seedy · 08-29-2018, 04:32 PM

*others

Acionyx · 08-29-2018, 04:59 PM

Hey nerds I just had an important setup realization that makes AC pretty super likely town based on behavior

Blazer's claimed DoB. I have a role that activates on death. AC is quite clearly smug because dying isn't actually a problem for them

Hope this helps.

Acionyx · 08-29-2018, 05:06 PM

But yeah hey look at what we know is in play already

Q had a kill and would be needing to use it regardless of finding his target who is almost definitely a serial killer

Blazer's claimed a kill as well and the bane of all setups is fun roles dying too early and on death roles are kind of terrible for scum

It's almost as though there's a theme!

awkwardcarapace · 08-29-2018, 05:53 PM

(08-29-2018, 04:31 PM)seedy Wrote: »ac if you’re just going to be 0kay with this then at least give us a list of reads on everyone so we have something to remember you by

Don't feel good about (scum): Numbers, Solaris, TehPilot, Airey, Granolaman [seems to be a general consensus of Shadiness abound these guys, which is good]
Town: Acio, Jacq, Sai, Blazer (apparently???)

And who knows about the rest, man?? (~~jwatch, ~NTA, ~+seedy, ~slorange, -RL, -Schazer, +CB)
~ can't tell
+ lean town
- lean scum

Pala(+?) - I think they were moderately active in D1 but their activity fell off a lot in D2. IDK if this is because of irl stuff but would be nice to see a more recent post from 'em (and the same goes for RL, really. Come on yalls)

Solaris · 08-29-2018, 06:54 PM

God that's just about the funniest fucking scumreads I've ever seen

awkwardcarapace · 08-29-2018, 07:30 PM

(08-29-2018, 06:54 PM)Solaris Wrote: »?
God that's just about the funniest fucking scumreads I've ever seen

Very glad at least one of my posts was able to give someone a chuckle - but care to explain why, though?

Solaris · 08-29-2018, 07:33 PM

I think that granola, Solaris, and all the people voting for Solaris are such is extremely funny

Solaris · 08-29-2018, 07:33 PM

*Scum not such

Numbers · 08-29-2018, 07:41 PM

(08-29-2018, 01:12 PM)Solaris Wrote: »
MirdiVotalBot Wrote:Solaris - 3 (TehPilot, Airey, Numbers)
this is such a fuckin weird, side thing thats happening today i dont understand it at all

Maybe if you would actually take a look at our vote posts, you would understand why we think you are scum. That is, if you even want to bring even more attention to yourself by refuting them. Except, you already have, as you still aren't doing much of anything. For example,

(08-29-2018, 06:54 PM)Solaris Wrote: »God that's just about the funniest fucking scumreads I've ever seen

You say this, rather than asking why they thought that and providing actual useful information? I'm not sure, but you seem to be derailing.

awkwardcarapace · 08-29-2018, 07:46 PM

(08-29-2018, 07:33 PM)Solaris Wrote: »I think that granola, Solaris, and all the people voting for Solaris are such is extremely funny

Hey, you never know, it might just be the WILDEST bus pulled by scum this century!

(Erm, but that actually is a bit strange. Separately I feel shady about yall but I realize now that when looking at the actual votes cast it ... just doesn't make any sense?? My mega ultra galaxy brain interpretation that I'm making without re-evaluating my opinion is that they're using this time of The aCBC Show as a distraction to to distance themselves from each other, without actually gaining traction on said vote)

Robust Laser · 08-29-2018, 08:12 PM

yeah sorry sorry sorry i've been busy the past coupla days -- admittedly not TOO too busy to post in general but i suck a little bit, and right now i'm off to work so like, somebody should prod me in like 9 hours. I've been reading and while my information retention is bad the uh, general preview of my opinion is "what the fuuuuck is even happening"

Palamedes · 08-29-2018, 08:52 PM

Okay so I'll be honest and I've barely even skimmed the last few pages. I've been really busy and every time I try to take a few minutes to get back in the Blazer/aC wall apocalypse keeps me from putting my thoughts together, so I'm going to have to more or less skip them if I want to get anything together at all. I'll go back over it all later if I have time and/or it becomes critical knowledge, but it feels like neither of those situations are going to come up anytime soon. I realize that's super messed up considering I'm throwing a wall down here, but what can you do.

Note: Bolded a few names here because I'm specifically trying to ask a few questions and I know a lot of this will get lost due to sheer length. I'll vote right at the end to make things clear.

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Could vote for Solaris if it wasn't for that wagon, not going to vote for Blazer, I don't think I'm going to be around before dayend anymore than this and maybe one or two short posts so I don't want to bank on a Numbers/Schazer vote happening.

Vote: aC