Lucidstuck II

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Explanation how you know her first, then you can go into who you are.

Derrick: Tell her who you are

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Derrick: I'm Derrick.
Lucia's Mother: .....
Derrick: I grew up with your daughter, for a little while at least.
Derrick: When we were kids she used to always come over to my house, We met at the library some time before.
Lucia's Mother: .... You knew my baby?
Derrick: Yes. She felt neglected in those times because you were unavailable. Her step-dead wasn't her favourite person in the world?
Lucia's Mother: Step-dad? Oh him...
Lucia's Mother: I don't expect you to have known this, but he died very close to when my baby became comatose.
Lucia's Mother: The cause was unknown. He just... dropped dead.
Lucia's Mother: When it was revealed to me how he had been treating her, I cursed his name every night!
Lucia's Mother: How could I have let such a man into my baby's home...
Lucia's Mother: .... How did you hear of Lucia?
Derrick: Huh?
Lucia's Mother: You said you were friends. I nor she has contacted you.
Lucia's Mother: Why visit now after all these years?
Derrick: ...

1. Tell the truth
2. Lie

2. You can't tell the the truth. Say that you were told that Lucia had died a while ago, and that's what you thought for the longest time, until a friend told you that she was alive just yesterday.

My instinct in this kind of situation is to tell the truth and hope for the best. It feels to me like one of those "She deserves to know the truth, no matter how crazy it sounds" deals.

But I'm deliberately not voting one way or the other on this. I'm not about to throw a wrench on a plan in the works.

>Derrick: Go for the middle ground. Don't lie, but also don't tell her the more fantastic sounding parts of it.

to keep the command short, explaining here: just have derrick explain that he originally thought that Lucia hand't survived the shooting and only very recently came to find out of it while visiting another friend who was hospitalized. When you did you tried to visit but couldn't bring yourself to do it, and you asked a friend to leave her a gift in your stead.

just today you tried again, and you asked your friend to accompany you (the other kid that came with you).

if she demands more answers on why he only found out now, he can say the truth an say his sister only recently admitted to it, hence the urgency.

>2, Don't tell her you met lucia in a dream.

>Derrick: Go for the middle ground. Don't lie, but also don't tell her the more fantastic sounding parts of it.

to keep the command short, explaining here: just have derrick explain that he originally thought that Lucia hand't survived the shooting and only very recently came to find out of it while visiting another friend who was hospitalized. When you did you tried to visit but couldn't bring yourself to do it, and you asked a friend to leave her a gift in your stead.

just today you tried again, and you asked your friend to accompany you (the other kid that came with you).

if she demands more answers on why he only found out now, he can say the truth an say his sister only recently admitted to it, hence the urgency.

Seconding.

>Derrick: Go for the middle ground. Don't lie, but also don't tell her the more fantastic sounding parts of it.

to keep the command short, explaining here: just have derrick explain that he originally thought that Lucia hand't survived the shooting and only very recently came to find out of it while visiting another friend who was hospitalized. When you did you tried to visit but couldn't bring yourself to do it, and you asked a friend to leave her a gift in your stead.

just today you tried again, and you asked your friend to accompany you (the other kid that came with you).

if she demands more answers on why he only found out now, he can say the truth an say his sister only recently admitted to it, hence the urgency.

Seconded. She'll have you thrown out for sure if you tell her the truth.

HOLD IT!

We ran into an inconstancy in our story with Panur's suggestion.
If we found out about Lucia's hospitalization during the visit with Emily, then how could we bring a gift?

If we want this story to work, we have to somehow find a way to explain knowing about Lucia before visiting Emily the first time. I think we HAVE to tell Lucia's mom about Alice's lie if we want to go this route.

Otherwise we could say that we were overcome with grief and couldn't bring ourselves to see Lucia until now?

HOLD IT!

We ran into an inconstancy in our story with Panur's suggestion.
If we found out about Lucia's hospitalization during the visit with Emily, then how could we bring a gift?

If we want this story to work, we have to somehow find a way to explain knowing about Lucia before visiting Emily the first time. I think we HAVE to tell Lucia's mom about Alice's lie if we want to go this route.

Otherwise we could say that we were overcome with grief and couldn't bring ourselves to see Lucia until now?

That is a good point. Maybe going less specific would be a better way of going about that? Something like "Until recently you had thought Lucia had died. You found out a short while ago and intended to visit, but couldn't, so you sent a gift with a friend in your stead".

If the devil is in the details, maybe we should go light on them in the command?

HOLD IT!

We ran into an inconstancy in our story with Panur's suggestion.
If we found out about Lucia's hospitalization during the visit with Emily, then how could we bring a gift?

If we want this story to work, we have to somehow find a way to explain knowing about Lucia before visiting Emily the first time. I think we HAVE to tell Lucia's mom about Alice's lie if we want to go this route.

Otherwise we could say that we were overcome with grief and couldn't bring ourselves to see Lucia until now?

That is a good point. Maybe going less specific would be a better way of going about that? Something like "Until recently you had thought Lucia had died. You found out a short while ago and intended to visit, but couldn't, so you sent a gift with a friend in your stead".

If the devil is in the details, maybe we should go light on them in the command?

that's not a problem?
emily was hospitalized several days before we actually visited her, and nowhere in the post did i say we brought the gift on the same day...

When you did [implied did FIND OUT] you tried to visit but couldn't bring yourself to do it, and you asked a friend to leave her a gift in your stead.

Derrick: Go for the middle ground. Don't lie, but also don't tell her the more fantastic sounding parts of it

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Derrick: I originally thought that Lucia hadn't survived the shooting and only very recently came to find out while visiting another friend who was hospitalized. When I did I tried to visit but couldn't bring myself to do it, and I asked a friend to leave her a gift in my stead.
Lucia's Mother: .....
Derrick: Today I tried again, and I asked my friend to accompany me.
Lucia's Mother: ... You said your name was Derrick?
Derrick: Yes.
Lucia's Mother: Ahh, so the chain on the night stand, that was a gift from you?
Lucia's Mother: I had went down to the receptionist to ask about it. They had told me no one had come to visit Lucia so I thought it strange.
Lucia's Mother: ... Today, Is Lucia's final day. She's being removed from life support.
Lucia's Mother: I'm sorry you weren't able to see her more.
Lucia's Mother: I've been keeping her on it against all judgement from other authorities... But...
Lucia's Mother: They have forced my hand.
Lucia's Mother: I... Think I remember writing to your parents.
Lucia's Mother: I had spoke with them years ago, as my Lucia had been visiting you so often I wanted to see what kind of people your parents were...
Lucia's Mother: I must thank you for being there for her, all those years ago.
Derrick: ......
Lucia's Mother: If you'd like you can stay with her for a bit... To say goodbye. It's the least I could do for her only friend.
Lucia's Mother: But if you don't mind, I'd like to be alone.

You've gotten Lucia's mother to remember who you are to Lucia! However it's not enough to carry out the mission.

> Derrick: thank lucia's mom for understanding. Tell her you'll be staying overnight and would like for a chance to talk to her alone later, after she's had her time. There's a lot of things left unsaid.

Derrick: thank lucia's mom for understanding. Tell her you'll be staying overnight and would like for a chance to talk to her alone later, after she's had her time. There's a lot of things left unsaid

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Derrick: Thanks for understanding, if it's alright with you I'm staying overnight anyway and would like to talk to her alone later after you had your time. There's still so much things I left unsaid.
Lucia's Mother: ...?
Lucia's Mother: Hold on now.
Lucia's Mother: Are you telling me when I can see my own daughter?
Derrick: What? No...
Lucia's Mother: Then why are you saying you need to talk to her alone?
Derrick: Well, I...
Derrick: Uhhh....
Lucia's Mother: What do you want to tell her?
Derrick: .......

You're stuck, you don't know how to explain yourself.

Derrick: Explain that you meant to say that you want to 'talk to you about her' later

nop, too late, she'll just suspect us if we don't (kinda) come clean on this.

>Channel all of your sadness and anguish at the thought of losing Lucia forever. Tell her mother how for the longest time she was your only friend besides your sister and how you just recently found out your sister betrayed you by hiding the fact that Lucia was still alive. Clarify that you only want to beg for her forgiveness in the hope that she may hear you. To say that you are sorry for not having been able to protect her.

(if she lets us proceed with this seemingly irrational request, then she may eventually be more inclined to let Derrick say his last goodbyes and less inclined from stopping him from kissing Lucia's hand)

>Channel all of your sadness and anguish at the thought of losing Lucia forever. Tell her mother how for the longest time she was your only friend besides your sister and how you just recently found out your sister betrayed you by hiding the fact that Lucia was still alive. Clarify that you only want to beg for her forgiveness in the hope that she may hear you. To say that you are sorry for not being able to protect her.

Nef, derrick's been saying how 'red' thinking of alice makes him feel, do we really want to make him think that now?

Derrick: Explain that you meant to say that you want to 'talk to you about her' later

seconding

Derrick: Explain that you meant to say that you want to 'talk to you about her' later

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Derrick: Oh... Sorry, what I meant to say was that I want to talk to YOU about HER later.
Derrick: I have so much things unsaid to YOU.
Derrick: Not Lucia.
Lucia's Mother: .................
Lucia's Mother: Do you know what I do for a living?
Derrick: ....No.
Lucia's Mother: I'm a lawyer.
Lucia's Mother: It's something I sacrificed my family for. All in the pursuit of money.
Lucia's Mother: But on my way on this pursuit. I picked up a little skill.
Derrick: ......
Lucia's Mother: I can read people, quite well.
Lucia's Mother: Now, I asked you a question, and you avoided it to correct yourself.
Lucia's Mother: Now whether you wanted to talk to me, or to my daughter didn't really matter, did it?
Lucia's Mother: You are more concerned with my reaction towards your comment.
Lucia's Mother: Which tells me that you are trying to.... "Win points" Or something.
Lucia's Mother: If you did not have anything to say to my daughter then please leave.
Derrick: .....

1. You actually did meant you wanted to talk to Lucia after all.
2. You really did want to talk to Lucia's mother about Lucia.

Well that didn't go well.

I'm choosing 1 again and reposting my command:

>Channel all of your sadness and anguish at the thought of losing Lucia forever. Tell her mother how for the longest time she was your only friend besides your sister and how you just recently found out your sister betrayed you by hiding the fact that Lucia was still alive. Clarify that you only want to beg for her forgiveness in the hope that she may hear you. To say that you are sorry for not having been able to protect her.

I suspected that being at least partially honest would have been a better alternative... and looks like that is our only way going forward now.
I'm sorry CC, your command could have worked under better circumstances.

Panur and anybody else, if there's something i can incorporate into this command, please let me know. I don't want to start arguments for drama's sake here. Too much is at stake.

Well that didn't go well.

I'm choosing 1 again and reposting my command:

>Channel all of your sadness and anguish at the thought of losing Lucia forever. Tell her mother how for the longest time she was your only friend besides your sister and how you just recently found out your sister betrayed you by hiding the fact that Lucia was still alive. Clarify that you only want to beg for her forgiveness in the hope that she may hear you. To say that you are sorry for not having been able to protect her.

I suspected that being at least partially honest would have been a better alternative... and looks like that is our only way going forward now.
I'm sorry CC, your command could have worked under better circumstances.

Panur and anybody else, if there's something i can incorporate into this command, please let me know. I don't want to start arguments for drama's sake here. Too much is at stake.

We need to make a coherent argument that doesn't contradict ourselves again. We want to talk to Lucia AND her mom, not just one of them. With that in mind, I'm not sure that this particular way of phrasing it is the best choice at the moment. If we had done this a command or two earlier, it would have been more viable though.

I'm working on my own post, it'll be a couple minutes away.

>Derrick: Take a deep breath. Let your emotions through, but stay composed. Use your own words to clarify the situation, and talk to this woman like she's an actual human being whose daughter is about to, as far as she knows, die.

You wanted to talk to both of them. You did want to talk to Lucia and tell her about a bunch of things. You wanted to tell her you still remember her. That you still missed her for all those years. That you're sorry that you haven't visited before. You wanted to talk about all the things we used to do, and all the new things that she would have loved that you wish you could have shared with her. However, you didn't mean to assume or order her around, just ask for her permission to do so if it was alright with her.

You ALSO wanted to talk with Her(mother). You've already experienced mourning Lucia once before, and your own parents as well, and you don't want to have her go through it alone if you can help it. You wanted to talk with her about Lucia so that you could maybe help.

>Derrick: Take a deep breath. Let your emotions through, but stay composed. Use your own words to clarify the situation, and talk to this woman like she's an actual human being whose daughter is about to, as far as she knows, die.

You wanted to talk to both of them. You did want to talk to Lucia and tell her about a bunch of things. You wanted to tell her you still remember her. That you still missed her for all those years. That you're sorry that you haven't visited before. You wanted to talk about all the things we used to do, and all the new things that she would have loved that you wish you could have shared with her. However, you didn't mean to assume or order her around, just ask for her permission to do so if it was alright with her.

You ALSO wanted to talk with Her(mother). You've already experienced mourning Lucia once before, and your own parents as well, and you don't want to have her go through it alone if you can help it. You wanted to talk with her about Lucia so that you could maybe help.

seconded

Derrick: Take a deep breath. Let your emotions through, but stay composed. Use your own words to clarify the situation, and talk to this woman like she's an actual human being whose daughter is about to, as far as she knows, die.

You wanted to talk to both of them. You did want to talk to Lucia and tell her about a bunch of things. You wanted to tell her you still remember her. That you still missed her for all those years. That you're sorry that you haven't visited before. You wanted to talk about all the things we used to do, and all the new things that she would have loved that you wish you could have shared with her. However, you didn't mean to assume or order her around, just ask for her permission to do so if it was alright with her.

You ALSO wanted to talk with Her(mother). You've already experienced mourning Lucia once before, and your own parents as well, and you don't want to have her go through it alone if you can help it. You wanted to talk with her about Lucia so that you could maybe help

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Lucia's Mother: Well?
Derrick: ........
Derrick: Sorry, I may have come off poorly. It's just that Lucia is my best friend. I really do care about her.
Lucia's Mother: ....
Derrick: The letter you wrote all those years ago, I never received it. My sister had gotten it and told me Lucia had died that day.
Lucia's Mother: What??
Derrick: Yes, My sister didn't like that we were friends so she lied to keep me away, and it worked. I grew up thinking she was dead, and I never made any new friends since. Until very recently.
Derrick: I already grieved for her, and that was probably something that changed my whole life.
Derrick: I wanted to tell her that she means a lot to me and that I missed her... There are so many things that I wanted to try with her, that I may never be able to.
Derrick: I wanted to tell you that I understand what you're feeling because I've done it too. I may not have lost Lucia as a daughter, but I did lose my parents when I was young as well.
Lucia's Mother: ... I'm sorry to hear that.
Derrick: I don't see anyone else here, so that tells me Lucia is your only family available.
Lucia's Mother: .... That's correct.
Derrick: I didn't mean to sound pushy earlier, I apologize again.
Derrick: But there's things I know that make me seem this way.
Lucia's Mother: What do you know?
Derrick: .... Are you a spiritual person?
Lucia's Mother: ... A poor example of one, but I'd say so.
Derrick: There's something I would like to try. It may be for nothing, but still I think the effort will be worth something.
Lucia's Mother: What is it?

1. Explain the nature of your mission (Recruit Lucia's Mother)
2. Keep the subject spiritual (Leave Lucia's mother out)

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> Derrick: Keep the subject spiritual. Best to just find a way to stay in this room, or have reason to be there in the 'last moments.'

i vote >2 as-well

and seconding CC's command