Buzzfia - Party Preparations - Night 7 (10/22 live)

Yay, Dini to the rescue. Also, my bad -- genuinely didn't see that (though I did look through via phone, which can be unhelpful)

I am of the mindset that we should maximize the number of people on the Wheat lynch (whilst ensuring he is lynched), since it sounds like the Vending Machine idea is off the table since Wheat is probably gonna be lynched anyway planning or no (booooooo I wanted that one). Seeing as majority is sitting at 9 and he's only got 4, we've got plenty of room to grow. I'm gonna jump over for the time being. I will jump back if the difference goes below 2 (i.e. it'll be 8 to 5 with me, another person jumping from Vending Machine will make it 7 to 6 (meaning someone could tie, which is dangerous) and that would make me jump back). It would be preferable if someone or two could jump to either Wheat or the Vending Machine vote from one of the other votes to further lower the probability per person. I'd assume the ideal count would be something like 12 Vending Machine - 10 Wheat (counting #16). Yes, I'm aware that this puts me in the running for an item and that this decision is obviously impacted with a selfish component, and obviously I'm joining the half of town that actually has a chance to get items.

Open to ideas that might more efficiently handle this, this whole thing is a mess.

Vote Wheat

god i hope some people invested in some power word: kill here

Really hope this awakens the hidden sleeper agent within the garfield and they just go hog wild

God I Wish, Pooks. But all they left me with are these lousy puppet strings.

Meow.

Your whole face is a mess.

Dude I wanted you to live. It would've been great.

Now that Q is on the Wheat wagon I would like Laser to leave, honestly. Otherwise I'm about as alright with the people on the wagon as I could be?

Actually Dunn could join.

If you manage to grab Jon's ID please give it to me cus I gotta commit some mild identity theft

what reason do i have to let anybody micromanage whether i'm worthy of being eligible for items from this???

while we're at this stage, i'd like to bring up the possibility that if wheat dies, dunnergy doesn't actually get wheat's role, because wheat doesn't actually die. i mean, wheat's role says "when you die," implying that being lynched and turning into a stump IS dying, but you know, that still doesn't feel like dying to me. i dunno.

What's your wincon, Thalia?

Vote: Wheat

I’m a messenger; I have to send a message to each player n junk

Ah, a messenger?Interesting. Meow.

Vo Votals:

a52 (2) : Seedy, Sunspider
Vending Machine (8) : dunnergy, Solaris, Justice Watch, Tehpilot, ProfessorLizzard, Thalia V1, Myeth, Reecer6.
Wheat (5) : Robust Laser, Mirdini, Palamedes, amosmyn, LegendaryQ
Solaris (1) : Lordlyhour
Robust Laser (1) : a52
Reecer6 (1) : Numbers

Abstaining (4) : Schazer, awkwardcarapace,, Wheat.

Bi Bids:

A. Energy Drink - 2 coins - Robust Laser
B. Coconut Water - 2 coins - Dunnergy
C. Granola Bar - 2 coins - awkwardcarapace
D. Chocolate Bar - 1 coin - a52
E. Chocolate Milk - 1 coin - Lordlyhour
F. Minty Fresh Gum - 2 coins - LegendaryQ
G. Purple Heart Gummies - 2 coins - Sunspider, Mirdini, Palamedes

It takes 6 votes to Soft Lynch and 12 to Hammer (Hard Lynch). Day 1 ends in ~27 hours (Thursday October 11th, 11 am EST).

Ah, a messenger?Interesting. Meow.

Do you want a message?

while we're at this stage, i'd like to bring up the possibility that if wheat dies, dunnergy doesn't actually get wheat's role, because wheat doesn't actually die. i mean, wheat's role says "when you die," implying that being lynched and turning into a stump IS dying, but you know, that still doesn't feel like dying to me. i dunno.

"Regardless of how you die, you become a Stump, and may continue to post as normal during the Day."

This seems pretty clear to me. Wheat dies however he ends up dying, he just stumps instead of going to a deadchat all to his lonesome.

I just like Laser the least out of the people voting for Wheat right now. It wasn't an explicit order, just what I would prefer and this whole thing will probably be a basis for who I go after tomorrow. I want Dunn on the wagon because I'll know their alignment for sure once Wheat 'dies', and I know I'm town. I'd prefer knowing that half of the items went to people I can trust (to clarify, I disagree with having more than 4 people voting Wheat, it is better that as a town we know exactly where his items go so we can account for them).

Dunn would replace, ideally, Amos because at least Mirdini's role is known and I have a very slightly better feeling about Q as the day has gone on.

I wonder why Schazer hasn’t posted yet? They may just be busy, I don’t know, but it’s pretty suspicious.

Wheat that was two days ago! Amos was more or less the only person I noticed putting any effort into anything besides you (though the more it was talked about the clearer it became that we'd have to deal with you sooner rather than later so it was sort of moot). That gave me a vague good feeling at the time. I don't find him particularly trustworthy otherwise, especially as I haven't seen too much as the day has gone on, but definitely more than Laser (and I have gone into why I don't like them a little).

what reason do i have to let anybody micromanage whether i'm worthy of being eligible for items from this???

im going to say that this is a game about deciding who lives and who dies and that sometimes when interacting with weirdo mechanics like this one that means that yes some people will weigh in on topics like "who should get weird items" and that responses like this really only make me trust you less later on?

like to put this another way, if the way that we were getting items was via an election, and you kept voting for yourself despite no one else voting for you, that would be weird? theres no one that you'd decide to give a chance to get an item to?

this isnt that situation but the situation we are in is one in which you're deciding that you absolutely need to get one of these items and thats! rightfully suspicious and also this feels like an overreaction to one person voicing suspicion towards you out of a very small amount of people in a game that may not have traditional anything

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anyway

if i ever make an effort post in this thread again shoot me, Jaymes, pour mommy a drink please

lol ok pala

havent chimed in much because I don't see a whole lot to talk about til the day ends because of the hard lynch dynamics.

The item sitch at the moment seems safe since from what I can tell we have a butler walking up to a noose.

Thanks for doing the due diligence here, AC. Your chart's very cute.

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It's also unfortunately kinda wrong.

Lemme pull up something real quick uhhhh [opens microsoft powerpoint 2007]

As I understand the scenario here, this is the basic strategic situation we're looking at. I'm sure y'all realized this already, but it bears saying:

1. It's in our best interest to find the traitors, and vote for them. That's how we "win" and get out of this idiotic publicity stunt.
   
2. It's in the traitors interest to get us not to vote for them, so they can take us out from the shadows.

The traitors know who's who, but the odds are in our favor. To tip the tables, the traitors main job is to convince us not to vote for them, using arguments that seem sensible. And what's your flowchart doing?

That's right. The flowchart you made is a traitor.

If you want my input:

• Our best option is probably to get nobody killed, forcing the traitors into a stalemate where they kill someone loyal, dunnergy becomes loyal, they gain no ground, and we gain some information in the night.
  
• Our second-best option is to at least try to kill a traitor; if we succeed, we know another traitor to off tomorrow. If we hit someone loyal instead, dunnergy still becomes loyal and we lose as much ground as we'd lose offing Wheat.
  
• For the worst option, that'd be wasting our vote for the day intentionally offing a loyal employee (Junior over here) and doing so in a way we benefit from the least; breaking open that piñata early, before it's full up.
  
• Same stuff applies to killing our Vending Machine. And now that some other people have seen fit to single out the snack food I picked out, I'm probably gonna be stuck eating muffins forever. So don't do that either. Sheesh.

Anyway, with that nonsense out of the way, I'll Vote: Wheat. If one or two other people help me out, we can prevent this whole fiasco from getting that much worse.

Ehhhhhh, i feel like i keep on jumpin votes too much. Meow.

O well, it's Jon. vote: Wheat

Wheat you brought up that contradiction a while after I said I had super vague goodfeels about amos :V

Also I didn't read it as 'no lynching day one is bad' as much as I had read it 'wasting time throwing a lynch at Wheat is bad', and regardless I usually think it's good when someone risks drawing attention to themselves by disagreeing with the general consensus when there isn't a need to.

I also believe at the time I was trying to think of who, if anyone but literally myself, I would be okay with getting your items when you inevitably died and was stretching for a single person so early in the game.

Sunspider I can't help but reiterate the point that has been brought up countless times: If we lynch anyone who is scum, or honestly even half the people who are town (and probably have more useful roles than Wheat's) they will almost definitely just vote him and survive the day with a ton of items. The lynch target does not die if Wheat has votes. Nobody dies if Wheat has the most votes. There is no way to lynch most folks without Wheat dying and giving all of his stuff to them, some of which will make said lynch target much more difficult to deal with. This is a problem that only gets worse and worse as the game goes on. Sunspider why have you ignored these arguments?

Myeth is your Jon vote to save him or to try and get an item?

People should get off Jon/Wheat so we can keep track of the items when he pops (unless someone can present an argument for why it's better to fill a more random spread).

Sunspider which of the people voting for Wheat do you find most suspicious :0c

I might have misunderstood wheat replacing the lynch vs. happening alongside the lynch so that might not be a thing we have to worry about, rereading their role I’m not totally sure...

regardless the main reason I could see for waiting on wheat is less “more items” and more “actually being able to have feelings about who gets the items” rather than just going “well I GUESS that person is ok” but no one advocating to sit on it has really said that :0c
do we really need more powerful(?) items that we can’t actually control who obtains them floating around. is that really Worth It. may I remind you that “GreedLwsson” is one of wheat’s buzzwords

*GreedLesson