RE: This is gonna be the thread where we talk about stuff
05-07-2014, 03:08 AM
(This post was last modified: 05-07-2014, 03:13 AM by seedy.)
(05-06-2014, 11:02 PM)SleepingOrange Wrote: »All I'm saying is that people shouldn't spend ALL their free time and money on things that serve no purpose but temporary enjoyment
you complain about strawman fallacies and yet you characterize everyone disagreeing with you as contradicting the above
maybe the reason you suffer misinterpretation is because you frequently start on this favorite argument track in harmless situations where people are discussing sending a few dollars a favorite artist's way, or talking about what certain game developers could do better. it seems like you're contradicting these people, when really you're just hijacking their topic to segue back to the theme of "please contribute to society in a more meaningful manner."
which is a reasonable subject! no one's saying that people should spend their lives doing nothing but play. and much of your advice is reasonable. the reason people don't take to it well isn't just because they're uncomfortable with the implications, it's because you shoehorn these topics into casual discussions in a way that many would characterize as 'rude.' it's not exactly a good start.
furthermore, much of the advice disregards material realities. exceptions to your rules are offered as footnotes, and it's very easy to walk away from these essays with an impression of a "one size fits all" ideology. there are legitimate reasons why someone wouldn't want to be a construction worker/plumber/nurse/etc. other than "because they think those jobs are lower class." (I'd say most jobs either have very real drawbacks or are what you'd characterize as "unnecessary.") there are legitimate reasons why people wouldn't want to seek Therapy and Medication for the mental problems holding them back (not to mention the fact that if you have a problem more complicated than unipolar depression or anxiety, it's often VERY difficult to find a therapist that deals with your disorder(s), much less a free one.)
in conclusion: I agree with the point of what you're saying...that there are many ways we can and should help our communities (unless I've greatly misinterpreted things). but I think bringing this up during casual conversations is part of what confuses the message into "no fun ever" and that much of the wording implies that everyone's life fits into a certain box.
p.s. what is your view on housework/child-raising/familial affective labor re: "making good use of your free time" and also re: being compensated by th' gummint for such