This is gonna be the thread where we talk about stuff

I don't think it's necessary to make people suffer to get people working

A lot of the shitty dangerous industrial jobs here get people willing to work because they pay really well

You can find nicer jobs that pay enough, but most people are kinda greedy and willing to put themselves in danger for stuff they want but don't really need

basically what I'm getting at is that food and housing and healthcare and utilities should all be absolutely free. It doesn't take a magical utopian wonderland, there are already more than enough resources to go around to keep people working regardless