RE: Murder By The Book - Day 5: The Rings of Satire
05-04-2014, 08:23 AM
I had a whole thing written up, and my initial assessment was that AgentBlue was more derp than scum. You can read that first draft here:
But then I started trying to figure scum strategy. Solaris is pretty experienced, but Truegreen's new. Solaris went out with some grace, tried to leave behind reads to maybe hail-mary a wine. Truegreen, on the other hand, went for the more ham-handed "I really can't die, me dying would be pretty bad" and I started wondering what kind of coaching would inspire Truegreen to go for that.
In one of my earlier mafias in my pretty short mafia career, I was a mafia in a newbie mafia where each of us got paired with a mentor. I was about to get lynched, and the advice I got was "Flail, Gnauga! Flail for your life!" I dunno if dead mafia get to chat with the living, but I could see Solaris telling Truegreen something similar. And given the pretty poor position scum's in in general, (only half of the 14 survivors are even on the table for a lynch whatsoever) I would actually expect them to figure "I literally can't make this situation much worse; might as well go all in and try to embed myself in the town reads."
A more daring or devious scum might decide to hide one of their own as a powerlurk, which is the scenario I was initially imagining, but scum actions so far have been pretty straightforward, and I can't mentally justify Whimbrel being tricksy/gutsy enough to try for that. Solaris and Truegreen, at least, look like they play more traditionally. I don't know enough about Dalm to say, but he's been playing the lurk game pretty hard so in the powerlurk scenario, it's probably Dalm.
AgentBlue seems just flailing enough to fit the bill for the much more traditional and likely hail-mary odds are against us but try to shove yourself in the town-hole as hard as you can and stay there scum strategy. Of course, there's always the possibility (from an outside observer's perspective) that scum is myself (Gnauga) or coldblooded or bigro/seedy, in which case we'd just keep up our usual level of activity.
to elaborate on AgentBlue flailing, I'm referring to opening with challenging donut's cop, then a pretty bulky, not very solid readwall. It looks like the usual townie/pass-as-a-townie activities, crossed with some stall tactics turning the debate onto donut's legitimacy and the townfirmed rather than letting the town look at lurker/lurkish lynches. Also potentially bonus hoping to leverage Nova's paranoia into a more broadly shared sentiment of suspicion against donut, into maybe a lynch that can't be blocked like a nightkill probably would be, or better yet undermining donut's cleared list.
As an aside, the eberron-sotek link is drawing my attention for some reason, though. I can see how, reading the several pages of D4, you might mix up the chronology, but reading any of the posts questioning eberron with relation to the divinity pie seems like it would have made it pretty clear. I'm gonna sleep on what that actually means though.
Man, I'm just gonna straight up confess I don't know what to think yet about bigro/seedy slot and schazer. I've don't usually survive this long, so I'm half learning how to play end-game myself. Looks like we're in a good spot, though, which is kind of a relief.
All that said, I feel like I've talked kind of meanly-harshly-jerkishly against AgentBlue, and at the very least you should have the opportunity to tear me a new one in return. I'll leave my vote where it is until you get the chance to defend yourself/beat me up, and also other folks get a chance to feedback. Or until I get impatient and vote anyway in nine hours or so
But then I started trying to figure scum strategy. Solaris is pretty experienced, but Truegreen's new. Solaris went out with some grace, tried to leave behind reads to maybe hail-mary a wine. Truegreen, on the other hand, went for the more ham-handed "I really can't die, me dying would be pretty bad" and I started wondering what kind of coaching would inspire Truegreen to go for that.
In one of my earlier mafias in my pretty short mafia career, I was a mafia in a newbie mafia where each of us got paired with a mentor. I was about to get lynched, and the advice I got was "Flail, Gnauga! Flail for your life!" I dunno if dead mafia get to chat with the living, but I could see Solaris telling Truegreen something similar. And given the pretty poor position scum's in in general, (only half of the 14 survivors are even on the table for a lynch whatsoever) I would actually expect them to figure "I literally can't make this situation much worse; might as well go all in and try to embed myself in the town reads."
A more daring or devious scum might decide to hide one of their own as a powerlurk, which is the scenario I was initially imagining, but scum actions so far have been pretty straightforward, and I can't mentally justify Whimbrel being tricksy/gutsy enough to try for that. Solaris and Truegreen, at least, look like they play more traditionally. I don't know enough about Dalm to say, but he's been playing the lurk game pretty hard so in the powerlurk scenario, it's probably Dalm.
AgentBlue seems just flailing enough to fit the bill for the much more traditional and likely hail-mary odds are against us but try to shove yourself in the town-hole as hard as you can and stay there scum strategy. Of course, there's always the possibility (from an outside observer's perspective) that scum is myself (Gnauga) or coldblooded or bigro/seedy, in which case we'd just keep up our usual level of activity.
to elaborate on AgentBlue flailing, I'm referring to opening with challenging donut's cop, then a pretty bulky, not very solid readwall. It looks like the usual townie/pass-as-a-townie activities, crossed with some stall tactics turning the debate onto donut's legitimacy and the townfirmed rather than letting the town look at lurker/lurkish lynches. Also potentially bonus hoping to leverage Nova's paranoia into a more broadly shared sentiment of suspicion against donut, into maybe a lynch that can't be blocked like a nightkill probably would be, or better yet undermining donut's cleared list.
As an aside, the eberron-sotek link is drawing my attention for some reason, though. I can see how, reading the several pages of D4, you might mix up the chronology, but reading any of the posts questioning eberron with relation to the divinity pie seems like it would have made it pretty clear. I'm gonna sleep on what that actually means though.
Man, I'm just gonna straight up confess I don't know what to think yet about bigro/seedy slot and schazer. I've don't usually survive this long, so I'm half learning how to play end-game myself. Looks like we're in a good spot, though, which is kind of a relief.
All that said, I feel like I've talked kind of meanly-harshly-jerkishly against AgentBlue, and at the very least you should have the opportunity to tear me a new one in return. I'll leave my vote where it is until you get the chance to defend yourself/beat me up, and also other folks get a chance to feedback. Or until I get impatient and vote anyway in nine hours or so
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