RE: Murder By The Book - Day 2: The Invisible Man
04-01-2014, 08:29 PM
I'm afraid of the town wasting its powers on me, since a vig is an important and powerful town role, especially if they have limited uses. I'm much less afraid of the town wasting its lynch on me because that will reveal a lot about the people who have been pushing for my lynch. I'm not fighting back against people who want to vote for me because I don't want to die, I'm doing it because the reasons those people are voting for me are terrible and indicative either of poor play or of willful misleading. Hey, if I do die in the next few days, that's not a huge loss; it'll definitely be pretty informative. I just don't want to go down in a way that wastes our time and resources, because unlike some people I actually want a town victory.
And no, a bodystacker group does not make the scum "work for their win". In any way. It is effectively anti-town until the very end of the game, it aids the scum by muddling votes and pushing for town lynches and nightkills (because, as has been mentioned, the bodystacker has to maintain a balance between town and scum, and town has a huge numbers advantage to start with, necessitating a smart bodystacker to push the scum agenda until an overrun becomes likely). It actively aids scum by its existence because their goals are similar for the majority of the game AND it gives another anti-town faction for scum to push lynches against. We shouldn't listen to you because nothing you could possibly want could be helpful for town. Your alignment is a detriment to us, and if you can be assumed to be playing to your wincon to the best of your abilities, then it is not helpful to you at all to genuinely scumhunt at this point.
That's... not a contradiction. At all??? My claim shouldn't be evidence for or against my alignment, as I've said and explained several times. I put forward reasons that I could do it as town and that I could do it as mafia. I put forward reasons that I could be lying or omitting parts of the truth regardless of my alignment, or that I could be telling the whole truth and nothing but. My actions are equally believable as town or as scum, or should be if one's willing to give any credence to any interpretation other than the first one that occurs to them. So, yes, I am suspicious of you for your repeated and poorly-backed accusations, because they smack of scum trying to push a bad lynch. Casting actions that shouldn't be suspicious in a suspicious light and trying to lynch based on such flimsy "evidence" is scummy play.
Nuuupe, quit trying to mischaracterize my arguments. I am accusing you of being scum for focusing on me for bad reasons. Your entire reason for voting for me boils down to "I don't like your claim (for reasons that I can't or won't articulate) and am certain that makes you scum", which is terrible reasoning. I highly doubt that you, Nova, and Granola are all anti-town, but if Granola flips like he says he will, I strongly suspect that one of two of you is mafia. Probably you.
And no, a bodystacker group does not make the scum "work for their win". In any way. It is effectively anti-town until the very end of the game, it aids the scum by muddling votes and pushing for town lynches and nightkills (because, as has been mentioned, the bodystacker has to maintain a balance between town and scum, and town has a huge numbers advantage to start with, necessitating a smart bodystacker to push the scum agenda until an overrun becomes likely). It actively aids scum by its existence because their goals are similar for the majority of the game AND it gives another anti-town faction for scum to push lynches against. We shouldn't listen to you because nothing you could possibly want could be helpful for town. Your alignment is a detriment to us, and if you can be assumed to be playing to your wincon to the best of your abilities, then it is not helpful to you at all to genuinely scumhunt at this point.
(04-01-2014, 07:26 PM)Truegreen Wrote: »I would also like to point out that he has on a few occasions urged people not to take his statement at face value but the moment I suggested that it was scummy he responded that it was not sufficient proof to make any opinion from it.
That's... not a contradiction. At all??? My claim shouldn't be evidence for or against my alignment, as I've said and explained several times. I put forward reasons that I could do it as town and that I could do it as mafia. I put forward reasons that I could be lying or omitting parts of the truth regardless of my alignment, or that I could be telling the whole truth and nothing but. My actions are equally believable as town or as scum, or should be if one's willing to give any credence to any interpretation other than the first one that occurs to them. So, yes, I am suspicious of you for your repeated and poorly-backed accusations, because they smack of scum trying to push a bad lynch. Casting actions that shouldn't be suspicious in a suspicious light and trying to lynch based on such flimsy "evidence" is scummy play.
(04-01-2014, 07:26 PM)Truegreen Wrote: »He has also responded by accusing me of being scum for focusing on him.
Nuuupe, quit trying to mischaracterize my arguments. I am accusing you of being scum for focusing on me for bad reasons. Your entire reason for voting for me boils down to "I don't like your claim (for reasons that I can't or won't articulate) and am certain that makes you scum", which is terrible reasoning. I highly doubt that you, Nova, and Granola are all anti-town, but if Granola flips like he says he will, I strongly suspect that one of two of you is mafia. Probably you.