RE: Murder By The Book - Day 2: The Invisible Man
03-31-2014, 08:26 PM
So I was hoping to get a chance (read: a real computer) to start making posts again but that's apparently not going to happen. So here is what I've got, condensed and stream-of-consciousness because I don't have an hour to spend making a fully detailed and organized post with what I have.
I really am starting to dislike how people (Schazer, Slorange mostly) keep pointing out flaws in their own arguments/detracting from them, especially when they then going on and repeating them anyways/criticizing people for picking at said flaws.
Eberron makes a post going 'oh no I wasn't trying to go against slorange he's the best but hey this guy is totally doing it so could you go after him instead'. Suspicious.
There's a lot of long but ultimately useless posts arguing mechanics and opposing playstyles (everyone starting with an s, I'm looking at you), but none seem all that malicious, that is to say that people are making long posts just to look like their a leader.
Disagree strongly with seedy, since it seems like a lot of her anti-Akumu arguments are because of playstyle differences and tunneling. That said, it actually gives me a town read on her? I feel like scum usually tries to go for easy sells and following others onto lynches, and basically just lynch more fluidly. Basically, being so deadest on wanting someone dead for such an insignificant thing and thus draw negative attention to yourself is inherently dangerous for scum to do. It's a lighter towered, but still it's there. Similar sentiments for Sotek and Truegreen.
There's a lot of 'idly condemning the eberron wagon' (Granolaman, 278), which is crazy suspicious because
A) I still think she's suspicious
B) nobody's really defended eberron, either through pointing out what she's doing is townish or by countering the points made against her
C) Beyond the wagon-hoppers nobody seems to have any reason why to suspect anyone who was on it
Granolaman completely ignores the concept of distancing yourself from scummates (usually by arguing with each other, I think Schazer already talked about it D1)
Watts thinks that just saying 'interesting' without elaborating counts as something.
Garuru criticizes Schazer for helping a specific newbie (when they were the only newbie talking and thus the only one to be helped), also ignoring all the mechanics talk she did D1. Rest of post was sensible and well reasoned.
Then there's a solid bit of nothing-but-emphasizing how participation is important with far too much text.
Prediction: nothing will be made out of Dalmationer in post 299 for jumping on the bandwagon because of 'vibes', with no comments on anything else. Looks worse given the previous speeches on participation.
(Moving to page 13 now. Probably should have started by saying I was starting from my last post on page 42.)
Holy crap scummy donut is right, Slorange has said nothing about what is going on for practically the whole game (despite being one of the more active participants). He's only talked about mechanical/playstyle stuff and his claim. Which makes him criticizing people for playing and only responding to questions super weird. Note: donut did not actually say that, I am paraphrasing what his post asking about NovaWatts made me realize.
Granola makes another good point regarding Slorange
Eberron unvotes Truegreen despite the latter saying almost nothing (different, at least) since the vote came on. Didn't revote either, so it's not like she had a better suspect.
Schazer vote on granola is strange. Granola is kind of not a better info lynch (I'm being facetious, I know that was a statement of suspicion, but it's still strange that she'd provide no counterpoint).
Slorange finally gives an opinion, except it's just a 'no strong feelings either way' kind of thing. Them he votes granola for being wonky and using doublespeak which aren't exactly the hardest bits of evidence or strongest opinions I've seen.
(Page 14 now, whoooo)
Schazer starts off by asking why scum would use Slorange's claimed power D1. I'd like to follow Garuru here and point to Occam's Razor. If Slorange is scum (he does look pretty suspicious) he's almost definitely lying. Schazer you even said at the start of the day that this kill was something you'd expect from him.
To be clear I think Slorange is either town or lying scum, not that he used some ridiculous power to fakeclaim (because hey, a regular scum janitor could easily do the exact same thing).
Solaris you don't like the people on the eberron wagon. We get that. Now why? besides eberron being new (and I respect your decision there but don't get why it doesn't seem to apply to other new people) what makes you think she's so town and everyone voting her ever is scum.
Don't worry Agentblue, I thought this was going to be a more lighthearted game too. You bring up a good point on Gnauga though, who is someone I didn't even think about ever (which is odd because a fair amount of people have her down as town). Interesting note: my first scum game on forums (Crooks Hollow, several of you were there). I did exactly that as scum, with Mirdini. It got me killed and him practically confirmed scum by the end when we could have easily had the game in the bag by day three.
(Page 15, the promised land is near!)
Wait donut, there was a debate between you and granola? (besides the one about which is a better secondary breakfast option at least.) Did that happen? Do I have to slog through the thread again looking for it ahhhhhh-wait no you're quoting. Thank god.
Watts you are (at least partially) redeemed for that wall. Normally I hate walls but can respect your points (though there's one thing I don't get which i'll come to in a second). That said, I will kill the next person to accuse me of petering out and vanishing for no reason (especially as a sign that I'm suspicious) because I've stated repeatedly that I'm having a hell of a time posting.
Wait no never mind that thing, I was going to say I don't get why people think granola is so scum but there it is. Bodystacker claim. vote: Granolaman. That said, Slorange having multiple powers on top of his already ridiculous one feels more and more like bs.
A bodystacker is someone who wants the game to get to three people remaining (one scum, two town).
Now, reads (sort of a TL;dr I suppose):
Great reads: I have no great reads
Good reads: seedy (though you're still probably wrong), truegreen, sotek, AgentBlue
Alright reads: NovaWatts, Akumu, Garuru
Eye of suspicion: Schazer, Gnauga, donut
We'd be better off if you were dead: granola, Slorange, Solaris, eberron
Lurkers (so we'd also technically be better off with you dead): basically anyone whose name isn't here
I really am starting to dislike how people (Schazer, Slorange mostly) keep pointing out flaws in their own arguments/detracting from them, especially when they then going on and repeating them anyways/criticizing people for picking at said flaws.
Eberron makes a post going 'oh no I wasn't trying to go against slorange he's the best but hey this guy is totally doing it so could you go after him instead'. Suspicious.
There's a lot of long but ultimately useless posts arguing mechanics and opposing playstyles (everyone starting with an s, I'm looking at you), but none seem all that malicious, that is to say that people are making long posts just to look like their a leader.
Disagree strongly with seedy, since it seems like a lot of her anti-Akumu arguments are because of playstyle differences and tunneling. That said, it actually gives me a town read on her? I feel like scum usually tries to go for easy sells and following others onto lynches, and basically just lynch more fluidly. Basically, being so deadest on wanting someone dead for such an insignificant thing and thus draw negative attention to yourself is inherently dangerous for scum to do. It's a lighter towered, but still it's there. Similar sentiments for Sotek and Truegreen.
There's a lot of 'idly condemning the eberron wagon' (Granolaman, 278), which is crazy suspicious because
A) I still think she's suspicious
B) nobody's really defended eberron, either through pointing out what she's doing is townish or by countering the points made against her
C) Beyond the wagon-hoppers nobody seems to have any reason why to suspect anyone who was on it
Granolaman completely ignores the concept of distancing yourself from scummates (usually by arguing with each other, I think Schazer already talked about it D1)
Watts thinks that just saying 'interesting' without elaborating counts as something.
Garuru criticizes Schazer for helping a specific newbie (when they were the only newbie talking and thus the only one to be helped), also ignoring all the mechanics talk she did D1. Rest of post was sensible and well reasoned.
Then there's a solid bit of nothing-but-emphasizing how participation is important with far too much text.
Prediction: nothing will be made out of Dalmationer in post 299 for jumping on the bandwagon because of 'vibes', with no comments on anything else. Looks worse given the previous speeches on participation.
(Moving to page 13 now. Probably should have started by saying I was starting from my last post on page 42.)
Holy crap scummy donut is right, Slorange has said nothing about what is going on for practically the whole game (despite being one of the more active participants). He's only talked about mechanical/playstyle stuff and his claim. Which makes him criticizing people for playing and only responding to questions super weird. Note: donut did not actually say that, I am paraphrasing what his post asking about NovaWatts made me realize.
Granola makes another good point regarding Slorange
Eberron unvotes Truegreen despite the latter saying almost nothing (different, at least) since the vote came on. Didn't revote either, so it's not like she had a better suspect.
Schazer vote on granola is strange. Granola is kind of not a better info lynch (I'm being facetious, I know that was a statement of suspicion, but it's still strange that she'd provide no counterpoint).
Slorange finally gives an opinion, except it's just a 'no strong feelings either way' kind of thing. Them he votes granola for being wonky and using doublespeak which aren't exactly the hardest bits of evidence or strongest opinions I've seen.
(Page 14 now, whoooo)
Schazer starts off by asking why scum would use Slorange's claimed power D1. I'd like to follow Garuru here and point to Occam's Razor. If Slorange is scum (he does look pretty suspicious) he's almost definitely lying. Schazer you even said at the start of the day that this kill was something you'd expect from him.
To be clear I think Slorange is either town or lying scum, not that he used some ridiculous power to fakeclaim (because hey, a regular scum janitor could easily do the exact same thing).
Solaris you don't like the people on the eberron wagon. We get that. Now why? besides eberron being new (and I respect your decision there but don't get why it doesn't seem to apply to other new people) what makes you think she's so town and everyone voting her ever is scum.
Don't worry Agentblue, I thought this was going to be a more lighthearted game too. You bring up a good point on Gnauga though, who is someone I didn't even think about ever (which is odd because a fair amount of people have her down as town). Interesting note: my first scum game on forums (Crooks Hollow, several of you were there). I did exactly that as scum, with Mirdini. It got me killed and him practically confirmed scum by the end when we could have easily had the game in the bag by day three.
(Page 15, the promised land is near!)
Wait donut, there was a debate between you and granola? (besides the one about which is a better secondary breakfast option at least.) Did that happen? Do I have to slog through the thread again looking for it ahhhhhh-wait no you're quoting. Thank god.
Watts you are (at least partially) redeemed for that wall. Normally I hate walls but can respect your points (though there's one thing I don't get which i'll come to in a second). That said, I will kill the next person to accuse me of petering out and vanishing for no reason (especially as a sign that I'm suspicious) because I've stated repeatedly that I'm having a hell of a time posting.
Wait no never mind that thing, I was going to say I don't get why people think granola is so scum but there it is. Bodystacker claim. vote: Granolaman. That said, Slorange having multiple powers on top of his already ridiculous one feels more and more like bs.
A bodystacker is someone who wants the game to get to three people remaining (one scum, two town).
Now, reads (sort of a TL;dr I suppose):
Great reads: I have no great reads
Good reads: seedy (though you're still probably wrong), truegreen, sotek, AgentBlue
Alright reads: NovaWatts, Akumu, Garuru
Eye of suspicion: Schazer, Gnauga, donut
We'd be better off if you were dead: granola, Slorange, Solaris, eberron
Lurkers (so we'd also technically be better off with you dead): basically anyone whose name isn't here