Murder By The Book - Ender's Game

Mmm I love the smell of chainsaw defense in the morning.

So the first thing I'm noticing is an awful lot of this defense riding on Slorange's meta.

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It makes me put slight suspicion on one of Mirdini or Slorange being in the scum team, from the purely meta standpoint of those two guys

Schazer's read was spot-on except for the part where I'm a member of Undercover in it, and her reasoning for why I (or Mirdini) would have done it were accurate too.

If Slorange were aware of a janitor's existence (because he's, y'know, part of the mafia), he could've suggested "let's janitor Cyber" and had this overtly elaborate fake-claim as soon as someone like me noticed the odd nature of the kill. That fits the observed events. However, it'd be just as easy for Slorange to state my meta-reasoning reveals nothing, there's other people in the game who could double-think us both, etc etc.

- The claim in general is not a stunt worth making for scum on D1, at least not given the pressure (my voteless post) which prompted the claim. If a tracker or watcher had got an incriminating read of his movements, yeah, maybe. As it is it attracts more attention than a mafia!Slorange would want right now.

a) Slorange is telling the truth, he's town (or at least Not Mafia) and redirected a kill onto Cyber
b) Slorange is lying, for a myriad of plausible reasons but he's not actually in the mafia
c) Slorange is lying, in the mafia, and ordered the Cyber kill because his thought patterns played out in the way I initially posited (the polite murder option).

Based on how I know Slorange, a) is a probable thing I'd see him doing, c) is a slightly less probable thing I could still see him doing, and b) is not his style at all.

-but are ignoring the circumstances which revealed that claim in the first place. Slorange was not a target for suspicion; he revealed this information in response to my Headology. I think if he were mafia, he would've just "psssshaw"ed at me and taken the secret of the redirect to his grave.

I can attest to town!Slorange's habit of using his one-shots at the earliest convenience. I've only got Quarantine from personal memory in terms of his habits as scum, but he sat on that ability until he got a chance to use it? The "save for emergencies" angle works if he's mafia worried about a vig kill, but in that case isn't it advantageous to wait to see how many kills are flying around, before deciding one one N2-onward night or another that now your risk of being vig'd is higher?

tl;dr "It's absolutely ridiculous for scum to be so upfront about the kill so Slorange must be town"

That's a defense based entirely off of meta and WIFOM (Wine in Front of Me for all you newbies ("I know you know that I know" kind of bullshittery))

The rest of your quote deluge at me does a very poor job of establishing why I'd be a good info-lynch in your eyes.

What I was pointing out with that quote was that: Granola said at the end of D1 that the fluff posters needed to be looked at, so yeah, you. I'm calling him out on the fact he's all-but abandoned that line of inquiry.

Less like I abandoned my inquiry more like A) Chwoka was on vacation and not a fair target. B) Eberron was still a thing. C) Interesting things happened with last night's kills that warranted a lot stronger discussion than my lurker stuff. I'll get back to my Chwoka poking once we've cleared this debacle up but the fact that he's stopped fluffing already is already helping my reads on him.

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Vote:bigro

vote: icanhasdonut

I'm not sure that'd be productive or helpful, though. Instead I'll prodvote: AgentBlue.

"let's lynch lurkers"

I figure if we're going to pseudo-random lynch we should target a lurker.

Here the two of you are throwing the lynch around like a menacing whip to get the lurkers in gear. (Thus hopefully avoiding too much scrutiny/backlash generated by threatening active players.) The reason we don't have many people talking is because we're still dry on information right now. Lynching literally any of the active players today will net way more information than a 'pseudo-random lynch' on the lurkers, and will likely draw them out to talk about it too.

This puts the game in a position where the only active players will be scum, who can draw all the lurkers into mislynch after mislynch because nobody's got the wherewithal to argue back.

You are literally trying to do this to me right now by wailing on me, then giving me an easy out with admission to tunneling, access to easy lurker lynches, and a lone question. Speaking of:

Ok, I'm tunnelling on you right now, so here's a question to try redeem yourself. You keep throwing suspicions on all sorts of people; who are your town reads?

In no particular order:
Nova
Akumu (if Eberron flips scum)
donut
Seedy (kinda)

If Eberron flipped town or scum, I would pursue Akumu or Solaris/Schazer respectively.

If Slorange flipped town or scum, I would pursue [data not yet generated] or Schazer/Truegreen respectively.

Finally I still maintain that Slorange's ability (even without the janitoring) feels more like a scum role than a town one. I'm glad Quarantine was brought up because it reminded me of that one "definitely town" scumpower of yours where you could one-shot autoblock all the kills in the night. Feels aaaawfully familiar right about now...