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so, winning doesn't matter, until it actually starts preventing the game from actually being played

so, winning DOES matter, but for different reasons besides actually being the goal of the game

for the sole purpose of dictating when the game actually stops being played, so that the game doesn't actually keep going forever, an end to which both sides attempt to reach on their own terms, even though those terms are largely irrelevant because the actual state of winning doesn't matter as long as the game does not end before the goal has been accomplished

but i still get bored of the sims after five minutes