RE: Tropefia - A PYP - D3: Dead Walrus (19/24) - You can talk again
06-08-2013, 06:46 AM
That was a really long post, but to your conclusion I'm gunna have to say- No, it doesn't make my defense
It doesn't matter that I tried to defend 2create in my other argument.
I'mma quote some segments that don't really make sense
In retrospect I quoted like everything, not just things that didn't make sense
Yes. It's why I said more than that.
Can you explain these? Not the silly ones.
Sure, there can be more than one bus driver. Let's assume a scum driver in this case, since I doubt there'd be two town drivers.
The (assumed) vampire decided to target someone almost random, since other than purple walrus and 2create, no one else had more than one vote (might be wrong, but PW was definitely second)
The scum driver targeted the same person somehow. Obviously they'd target one of themselves as one bus location, but the vampire and scum hitting the same target is still very low. Still, let's assume that happened.
Then, scum busser targeted... PW for the other side of the bus. Why? Is it a good idea to target the second most suspicious target with the bus?
It probably didn't happen.
Also, where'd the actual scum kill go? No doctor or anything is actually calling me out in that regard.
I don't think that's true. Otherwise, just by being shot, I'd be confirmed as town, basically. It would at least confirm my role. That's pretty overpowered, in my opinion. I got a private notification.
Can't be sure on that one though. Is that how it is in other mafias?
...Uh... Miri woulda had a day and night role. That seems like a scum slipup, and was worth clarifying.
One of my arguments is "it's too dumb for scum to roleclaim with this many players."
Otherwise, my argument is mostly "If I'm not bulletproof, where'd the mafia bullet go?"
And it's a blatant lie that scum wouldn't give up their kill or kill purple walrus or claim a role with so many players?
I don't really see it.
The games I've played as werewolf/scum, being blocked or doctored or something usually come with a message that "you failed because X."
The latter... is a thing because that's how mafia works? Mafia always knows more?
No, that's something from yesterday and I haven't mentioned it for a while.
But if we're bringing it up- why would mafia rolefish the person who's going to get lynched- That also doesn't make sense. Is it a complete lie that mafia wouldn't do that? Because I can think of no reason why that would happen.
Uh... I guess I wasn't clear enough? My trope is Not Quite Dead. I am currently not quite dead, because I got shot. I invoke not quite dead by being not quite dead after being shot. It was kinda a joke.
But I guess I'm less inclined to think Red is scum now, since it seems like something pointless for scum to do- proving nonscum is scum when the votes are all against him. Sorta like trying to prove nonscum is nonscum when the votes are against him. Hmm, how about that.
It doesn't matter that I tried to defend 2create in my other argument.
I'mma quote some segments that don't really make sense
In retrospect I quoted like everything, not just things that didn't make sense
Quote:-admittedly, the first point is the only reason I changed my vote early during the day - "why would scum be suicidal". THIS ALONE DOES NOT A DEFENSE MAKE HOWEVER
Yes. It's why I said more than that.
Quote:-I could see a number of reasons for scum to want to shoot PW, honestly. some are silly, others serious.
Can you explain these? Not the silly ones.
Quote:-hAHAHAHA WHY! Why would you assume there's ONLY ONE BUSDRIVER? Why can't scum have a driver? what if the (assumed) vamp sk got redirected off one of them? that makes perfect sense!
Sure, there can be more than one bus driver. Let's assume a scum driver in this case, since I doubt there'd be two town drivers.
The (assumed) vampire decided to target someone almost random, since other than purple walrus and 2create, no one else had more than one vote (might be wrong, but PW was definitely second)
The scum driver targeted the same person somehow. Obviously they'd target one of themselves as one bus location, but the vampire and scum hitting the same target is still very low. Still, let's assume that happened.
Then, scum busser targeted... PW for the other side of the bus. Why? Is it a good idea to target the second most suspicious target with the bus?
It probably didn't happen.
Also, where'd the actual scum kill go? No doctor or anything is actually calling me out in that regard.
Quote:-in games with these players, usually SURVIVALS of any kind give public notification. i.e. if a person is doc'd and hit, is bp, etc, etc. the lack of a SURVIVAL notice is odd. If a person claimed to have been doc'd and been hit, and the survival wasn't announced, I would call bullshit too
I don't think that's true. Otherwise, just by being shot, I'd be confirmed as town, basically. It would at least confirm my role. That's pretty overpowered, in my opinion. I got a private notification.
Can't be sure on that one though. Is that how it is in other mafias?
Quote:-and then. you. rolefished! there was no reason to inquire further into "Dini was roleblocked" really? it had no bearing on the current situation?
...Uh... Miri woulda had a day and night role. That seems like a scum slipup, and was worth clarifying.
Quote:so basically this is why you look scummy, MYW: the majority of your argument for why you're town is "but scum wouldn't do this", and is based 100% on your role being bp and you taking a hit last night!
the argument against you is "that is a blatant lie and your constant insistence upon its truth is not helpful to town at all".
One of my arguments is "it's too dumb for scum to roleclaim with this many players."
Otherwise, my argument is mostly "If I'm not bulletproof, where'd the mafia bullet go?"
And it's a blatant lie that scum wouldn't give up their kill or kill purple walrus or claim a role with so many players?
I don't really see it.
Quote:Why do you assume scum knew you were BP? where is it a written rule that scum knew their kill bounced any more than town did or does. if survivals aren't announced, why tell scum where their kill went? why give scum an exclusive information advantage?
say someone was doc'd, and the scum kill missed. if they were told but survival was not, scum would be aware a doc existed, but town wouldn't! why would that be a thing?
The games I've played as werewolf/scum, being blocked or doctored or something usually come with a message that "you failed because X."
The latter... is a thing because that's how mafia works? Mafia always knows more?
Quote:the problem is your entire defense relies on this post making sense and being airtight. your entire defense rests on the concept that you already looked sort of town because you didn't ride the createtrain. your entire defense rides on this post not being a post scum would ever make under any circumstances.
none of these statements are true, and thus, your defense crumbles.
No, that's something from yesterday and I haven't mentioned it for a while.
But if we're bringing it up- why would mafia rolefish the person who's going to get lynched- That also doesn't make sense. Is it a complete lie that mafia wouldn't do that? Because I can think of no reason why that would happen.
Quote:it does raise a question though: do you claim to have always been bp and meant you were normal FLAVORwise which is unnecessary information; or do you mean you were vanilla and became a bp somehow? because the latter would make sense, thus putting a major blinker on the case against you, in the following contexts:
Uh... I guess I wasn't clear enough? My trope is Not Quite Dead. I am currently not quite dead, because I got shot. I invoke not quite dead by being not quite dead after being shot. It was kinda a joke.
But I guess I'm less inclined to think Red is scum now, since it seems like something pointless for scum to do- proving nonscum is scum when the votes are all against him. Sorta like trying to prove nonscum is nonscum when the votes are against him. Hmm, how about that.