RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Four: LOST & FOUND ELECTION BONANZA [14/21]
09-24-2018, 04:50 PM
Yeah, I'm still working through what possible scum powers could be in play at this point.
I still suspect/worry that there could be one more scum around than we think, and that the night 1 “soul sucking” kill was an amnesiac who's taken over for that dead scum. I just remember when I played on scum teams that “work with what you know” was a rule for lies/gambits, and knowing that an amnesiac effect role exists feels likely to fuel Airey's claim on it. Again, I could easily be totally wrong here, but it does lead me to not want to “waste” any lynches. At the very least, I want to ask Beru a bunch of questions and get some answers before that happens. But I'll come back to that.
Scum seemed very quick on the draw to kill Sai after a vague mention of having two targets at night. (and it had to have been a direct target, since bus driving would have had no effect on Sai) So quick they chose to eliminate that as a threat faster than they were willing to go for any of the semi-townfirms. That suggests to me that the scum faction may have a bus driver of their own. Though I'm not sure how much this would actually change things town going forward.
But what else do we have to worry about? I would STRONGLY suspect they have a godfather... or at least I would if there was any evidence that this setup had a cop in it. A roleblocker would also make sense, though that's also questionable since no one has commented yet on a blocked night action. Maybe they have a watcher in addition to a tracker? But that combo is more likely to break a game for town, rather than for scum. (a mistake I made once in creating a small IRC game) But it seems likely that with the 4 non-scum killing roles we've seen out there, whatever powers scum have left are going to be strong. I mean heck, they may have considered Airey a completely acceptable loss day 3 once they knew the bulletproof was gone.
Part of me assumes that such speculation is unproductive, but it's where my mind has been going with regard to this game lately. Moving on.
@Granolaman – Sai claimed to be super convinced you were scum. Like, willing to be lynched if you'd be lynched the next day convinced. And this was AFTER you killed Airey. As stated before, I believe that Sai was wrong about this, but for the record, can you explain why Sai was wrong with the assumption that “as scum you had to kill airey”?
WRT Slorange and Schazer, a small part of me wants to pressure or lynch one of them to see what angle they're really playing at, but I acknowledge that this is a bear that we can put off poking at for at least one more day. That said, schazer has participated relatively little, and with plenty that I didn't like among it. And sleeping orange has made a lot of posts that rubbed me exactly the wrong way. Despite all of that, if you two aren't going to be focused on today, I'd still like some more participation and thoughts from the both of you. If you've got questions for any of the rest of us (whose answers wouldn't be terrible for scum to hear) please ask away. Do you think Beru is scum, or just the most likely lynch for being relatively quiet without much of an excuse? Do you think that any of the remaining scum could have been actively bussing Airey to make themselves look better for day 4 and beyond? Do you suspect that the scum team is down to 2, or do you think the game state is something else entirely?
Also, as a general rule, I do object to ending the day early. If our target is town, every thought they get out is more evidence that can help the rest of us. If the target is scum, then of course waiting is less helpful, but we can sometimes glean something from what they say before they die. With a day left, and PARTICULARLY with a thus-far silent lynch target, I'd rather not shorten it.
Though it's a bit awkward what with Beru, the current soft-lynch among those who have not even posted once yet on day 4, with like 28 hours left. HOPEFULLY that will change soon.
So some questions for Beru.
1) Do you have an answer for sleepingOrange's question from post 788 regarding night actions? A partial or full claim, or even role hint, you'd like to make to imply that those voting for you are looking in the wrong direction?
2) What do you believe is the current state of the game, with regard to scum and possible 3rd party players? Are there any possible anti-town powers that you are particularly worried about?
3) Who are your top scum and town reads? Has any interaction in particular make you think that anyone in particular was coaligned with or winking at Airey?
4) Are there any players you'd really like to know more about, either mechanically or based on reads? Do you have any questions for them?
5) Who from the airey lynch train/vig kill (tehpilot, coldblooded, granolaman, jacquerel, robust laser, niall, lordlyhour, solaris) is your strongest suspect for being scum? Why?
6) Suppose you had to pick 5 living players (aside from yourself) that were town, and if you did, you win the game. Who would you pick and why? Is there anyone you strongly suspect is town but would NOT put on such a list?
7) We now know that Sai was a busdriver. If we lynched someone else and you had their power tonight, who would you switch and why?
8) Did you visit me last night? If so, what did you leave behind for me to find? Why?
9) If not you, who do YOU think we should lynch today?
I still suspect/worry that there could be one more scum around than we think, and that the night 1 “soul sucking” kill was an amnesiac who's taken over for that dead scum. I just remember when I played on scum teams that “work with what you know” was a rule for lies/gambits, and knowing that an amnesiac effect role exists feels likely to fuel Airey's claim on it. Again, I could easily be totally wrong here, but it does lead me to not want to “waste” any lynches. At the very least, I want to ask Beru a bunch of questions and get some answers before that happens. But I'll come back to that.
Scum seemed very quick on the draw to kill Sai after a vague mention of having two targets at night. (and it had to have been a direct target, since bus driving would have had no effect on Sai) So quick they chose to eliminate that as a threat faster than they were willing to go for any of the semi-townfirms. That suggests to me that the scum faction may have a bus driver of their own. Though I'm not sure how much this would actually change things town going forward.
But what else do we have to worry about? I would STRONGLY suspect they have a godfather... or at least I would if there was any evidence that this setup had a cop in it. A roleblocker would also make sense, though that's also questionable since no one has commented yet on a blocked night action. Maybe they have a watcher in addition to a tracker? But that combo is more likely to break a game for town, rather than for scum. (a mistake I made once in creating a small IRC game) But it seems likely that with the 4 non-scum killing roles we've seen out there, whatever powers scum have left are going to be strong. I mean heck, they may have considered Airey a completely acceptable loss day 3 once they knew the bulletproof was gone.
Part of me assumes that such speculation is unproductive, but it's where my mind has been going with regard to this game lately. Moving on.
@Granolaman – Sai claimed to be super convinced you were scum. Like, willing to be lynched if you'd be lynched the next day convinced. And this was AFTER you killed Airey. As stated before, I believe that Sai was wrong about this, but for the record, can you explain why Sai was wrong with the assumption that “as scum you had to kill airey”?
WRT Slorange and Schazer, a small part of me wants to pressure or lynch one of them to see what angle they're really playing at, but I acknowledge that this is a bear that we can put off poking at for at least one more day. That said, schazer has participated relatively little, and with plenty that I didn't like among it. And sleeping orange has made a lot of posts that rubbed me exactly the wrong way. Despite all of that, if you two aren't going to be focused on today, I'd still like some more participation and thoughts from the both of you. If you've got questions for any of the rest of us (whose answers wouldn't be terrible for scum to hear) please ask away. Do you think Beru is scum, or just the most likely lynch for being relatively quiet without much of an excuse? Do you think that any of the remaining scum could have been actively bussing Airey to make themselves look better for day 4 and beyond? Do you suspect that the scum team is down to 2, or do you think the game state is something else entirely?
Also, as a general rule, I do object to ending the day early. If our target is town, every thought they get out is more evidence that can help the rest of us. If the target is scum, then of course waiting is less helpful, but we can sometimes glean something from what they say before they die. With a day left, and PARTICULARLY with a thus-far silent lynch target, I'd rather not shorten it.
Though it's a bit awkward what with Beru, the current soft-lynch among those who have not even posted once yet on day 4, with like 28 hours left. HOPEFULLY that will change soon.
So some questions for Beru.
1) Do you have an answer for sleepingOrange's question from post 788 regarding night actions? A partial or full claim, or even role hint, you'd like to make to imply that those voting for you are looking in the wrong direction?
2) What do you believe is the current state of the game, with regard to scum and possible 3rd party players? Are there any possible anti-town powers that you are particularly worried about?
3) Who are your top scum and town reads? Has any interaction in particular make you think that anyone in particular was coaligned with or winking at Airey?
4) Are there any players you'd really like to know more about, either mechanically or based on reads? Do you have any questions for them?
5) Who from the airey lynch train/vig kill (tehpilot, coldblooded, granolaman, jacquerel, robust laser, niall, lordlyhour, solaris) is your strongest suspect for being scum? Why?
6) Suppose you had to pick 5 living players (aside from yourself) that were town, and if you did, you win the game. Who would you pick and why? Is there anyone you strongly suspect is town but would NOT put on such a list?
7) We now know that Sai was a busdriver. If we lynched someone else and you had their power tonight, who would you switch and why?
8) Did you visit me last night? If so, what did you leave behind for me to find? Why?
9) If not you, who do YOU think we should lynch today?