RE: Nostalgfia Day 5 - Flies like an arrow
07-09-2018, 06:24 AM
hmm thinking more about redirecting
redirecter isn't pala or n-o unless hijinks (awkwardcarapace was seemingly the one redirected that night, since they weren't trying to visit CSJ but still ended up on a52. unless the redirecter for some reason also shows up at the target they choose (which would be out of keeping with how the role usually works) we can be reasonably sure that it isn't one of them. (unless they were handing off items which I THINK can give you a visit (so far I've only tried to hand off a pog++ and an antidote, so I don't know if it works for items that don't have a visit built in or are useless)).
it most likely is not schazer, it isn't mirdini or wheat or pharmacy (unless scum is playing musical chairs with roles for no reason), it isn't me
in all likelihood it is one of Sunspider, Reyweld, or Akumu
looking at the night results, pharmacy says n1 they bussed wheat and reyweld. wheat says they were trying to visit granola but visited themself. this means that they were redirected into visiting Reyweld? but it also means the redirecter was trying to target Reyweld. so the redirecter was trying to redirect reyweld onto reyweld???
also important to note here that pharmacy DOES appear to a52 visiting wheat this night but does NOT appear to a52 visiting them the following night. odd!! gosh I wish I had passed the antidote to a52 (no offense schaz) but I thought someone had already given them some. the squeaky wheel gets the grease as they say
n2 awkwardcarapace was redirected onto CSJ (ended up on a52 due to pharmacy's bussing.)
these feel like rather odd choices for a scum redirecter...directing wheat onto reyweld and awkwardcarapace onto CSJ. you don't usually redirect onto teammates...unless pharmacy is also scum so they knew the redirections would get busdriven?
Pala what I mean is that a redirecter typically makes their target's night action hit a person of the redirecter's choosing instead
in a situation like wheat, who has TWO targets, or awkwardcarapace, who has multiple targets, I'm curious how it's decided. it probably isn't just switching all the targets to the redirecter's choice (since a52 didn't seem to have been bombarded by items from awkwardcarapace. wheat SEEMS to have visited schazer, but that might be due to cat's actions). it MIGHT be rng-swapping out one of the targets for the redirecter's choice? idk
then again maybe it's a 1-way busdriving and the mods don't have to worry about all that.
in that scenario what I said about who it likely is still stands. it is harder to work out what happened during the night due to the fact that I'd then have to contend with not knowing which busdriving comes first in the action order. but given that wheat managed to get schazer's ammo, then...ok cat definitely implies that she targetted wheat and schaz. this means she targetted reyweld and schaz. wheat manages to somehow still obtain ammo from schazer. I'm trying to understand how this works if pharmacy is telling the truth.
if it's a 1-way busdriver that comes first then wheat gets driven off of granola onto REYWELD.
THEN pharmacy's driving happens
THEN wheat targets granola(Reyweld(self)) and Schaz, cat targets wheat(Reyweld) and schaz
if it's a 1-way busdriver that comes second then I think it has to be
pharmacy busdrives wheat and reyweld
??? busdrives actions targetting granola onto wheat(reyweld)
etc.
if it's redirecting then
pharmacy busdrives
redirecter targets Reyweld(wheat) onto Reyweld(wheat)
etc.
if I am working this correctly and it isn't complete nonsense then the main difference is which person the mystery person was trying to target
also trying to understand this is making me think that the mystery person and pharmacy aren't aligned because...why do this bullshit to yourself if you're scum. you'd need to confirm with the mod to make sure it'd even go through the way you wanted cuz night action precedence lists are con-fu-sing
I don't know anymore. anyway here's my post trying to work out some of the nonsense that happened n1-n2. these choices don't make a whole lot of sense for scum, honestly. moving actions onto either wheat or reyweld? moving them onto CSJ??? you don't usually try and get people to target your scumbud. but...I'd be hard pressed to believe it's a town Akumu, or that town Sunspider or town Reyweld are lying about their roles for no reason.
this has been my 1 AM mafia mechanic stress dream but it's real post
redirecter isn't pala or n-o unless hijinks (awkwardcarapace was seemingly the one redirected that night, since they weren't trying to visit CSJ but still ended up on a52. unless the redirecter for some reason also shows up at the target they choose (which would be out of keeping with how the role usually works) we can be reasonably sure that it isn't one of them. (unless they were handing off items which I THINK can give you a visit (so far I've only tried to hand off a pog++ and an antidote, so I don't know if it works for items that don't have a visit built in or are useless)).
it most likely is not schazer, it isn't mirdini or wheat or pharmacy (unless scum is playing musical chairs with roles for no reason), it isn't me
in all likelihood it is one of Sunspider, Reyweld, or Akumu
looking at the night results, pharmacy says n1 they bussed wheat and reyweld. wheat says they were trying to visit granola but visited themself. this means that they were redirected into visiting Reyweld? but it also means the redirecter was trying to target Reyweld. so the redirecter was trying to redirect reyweld onto reyweld???
Quote:Cat says "none of you are right do you just want me to say it so we can move past this ", later suggesting (post 434?) she targeted Wheat & Schaz N1 to swap their inventories.wheat if you never saw schaz's magic gun then that means that...either CSJ or Sunspider attempted to thieve it OR it went to Reyweld briefly and Reyweld has simply never mentioned this? I think that this is the only way it works out if Schaz is telling the truth. so yeah. I feel like CSJ might have mentioned this...OTOH that might explain his "not just a mason comment" so who knows. we also might be confused about what cat meant, so hey.
also important to note here that pharmacy DOES appear to a52 visiting wheat this night but does NOT appear to a52 visiting them the following night. odd!! gosh I wish I had passed the antidote to a52 (no offense schaz) but I thought someone had already given them some. the squeaky wheel gets the grease as they say
n2 awkwardcarapace was redirected onto CSJ (ended up on a52 due to pharmacy's bussing.)
these feel like rather odd choices for a scum redirecter...directing wheat onto reyweld and awkwardcarapace onto CSJ. you don't usually redirect onto teammates...unless pharmacy is also scum so they knew the redirections would get busdriven?
Pala what I mean is that a redirecter typically makes their target's night action hit a person of the redirecter's choosing instead
in a situation like wheat, who has TWO targets, or awkwardcarapace, who has multiple targets, I'm curious how it's decided. it probably isn't just switching all the targets to the redirecter's choice (since a52 didn't seem to have been bombarded by items from awkwardcarapace. wheat SEEMS to have visited schazer, but that might be due to cat's actions). it MIGHT be rng-swapping out one of the targets for the redirecter's choice? idk
then again maybe it's a 1-way busdriving and the mods don't have to worry about all that.
in that scenario what I said about who it likely is still stands. it is harder to work out what happened during the night due to the fact that I'd then have to contend with not knowing which busdriving comes first in the action order. but given that wheat managed to get schazer's ammo, then...ok cat definitely implies that she targetted wheat and schaz. this means she targetted reyweld and schaz. wheat manages to somehow still obtain ammo from schazer. I'm trying to understand how this works if pharmacy is telling the truth.
if it's a 1-way busdriver that comes first then wheat gets driven off of granola onto REYWELD.
THEN pharmacy's driving happens
THEN wheat targets granola(Reyweld(self)) and Schaz, cat targets wheat(Reyweld) and schaz
if it's a 1-way busdriver that comes second then I think it has to be
pharmacy busdrives wheat and reyweld
??? busdrives actions targetting granola onto wheat(reyweld)
etc.
if it's redirecting then
pharmacy busdrives
redirecter targets Reyweld(wheat) onto Reyweld(wheat)
etc.
if I am working this correctly and it isn't complete nonsense then the main difference is which person the mystery person was trying to target
also trying to understand this is making me think that the mystery person and pharmacy aren't aligned because...why do this bullshit to yourself if you're scum. you'd need to confirm with the mod to make sure it'd even go through the way you wanted cuz night action precedence lists are con-fu-sing
I don't know anymore. anyway here's my post trying to work out some of the nonsense that happened n1-n2. these choices don't make a whole lot of sense for scum, honestly. moving actions onto either wheat or reyweld? moving them onto CSJ??? you don't usually try and get people to target your scumbud. but...I'd be hard pressed to believe it's a town Akumu, or that town Sunspider or town Reyweld are lying about their roles for no reason.
this has been my 1 AM mafia mechanic stress dream but it's real post