RE: Nostalgfia Day 5 - Flies like an arrow
07-07-2018, 03:55 PM
Thoughts from my reread hunting for actions etc. This has been incredibly productive, actually, even if it's taken up like 4 hours of my afternoon.
hrrrrrrrgh (emphasis mine, re: CSJ's later flip)
If Pala's scum that makes me feel better about Sunspider bc the people involved in said convo (that Schaz said they felt people who were in were town) were Granolaman, Cat, a52, myself, Schazer, wheat & Sunspider. as well as more tangentially Akumu, robottobt & Pharmacy.
Sunspider kinda grills CSJ on item stuff around post #457, though if they're both scum thieves maybe they wanted to set up non-coalignment.
This is the wagon on CSJ before Palamedes breaks out the 'day cop' on Coldblooded:
CSJ (7) - Schazer, awkwardCarapace, seedy, Mirdini, Solaris, Robust Laser, Sunspider
Sunspider and Palamedes proceed to have a wordfight for a bit, then Palamedes busts out the guilty on CB and the wagon swaps.
CSJ was 3 votes from lynch and p. much guaranteed to die and Pala jerked the wagon entirely off him and onto roleblocker CB and I'm still not sure if that makes much sense but there are *some* reasons I could see scum!Pala pulling that move. Again, if there *is* a one-shot copping item then I'll be less convinced of this but... so far we have not seen one.
also notable:
when a52 confirms seeing Palamedes visit him (or CSJ) on Night 2.
and again
Honestly Pala's play on this day is pretty townish, apart from his "I think CSJ is 3P and only *maybe* mafia" deal but then he also rips into CSJ's fakeclaim the following day. Then again, that might have been pivoting harder into the hyperbus zone due to a combination of no innocent check on godfather!csj + CSJ digging his own grave with enthusiastic vigor. Plus that weird Kung Fu Panda thing between CB and Pala, which feels even worse because the OTHER weird thing CB said before getting lynched was
Day 3 Start Note:
a52 claims to have visited CSJ and have been redirected to himself, and saw Wheat, Palamedes, Nercania-Orccelga, awkwardCarapace and Robottobt (as well as himself obviously) visiting. Meaning each of those players either targeted CSJ or a52 (or both).
I think Pharms is town busdriver. One of Nercania-Orccelga or Palamedes is most likely a scum busdriver (why would town busdrive the scum/3P people have been saying should be shot?). Party hard?
aC's later claiming that they didn't decide to visit either CSJ OR a52 throws this for something of a loop, maybe Pharms' action N2 will help us figure it out. Reyweld later claiming to have been one of Wheat's targets throws out the scenario where everyone wheat was targeting was somehow seen by a52.
Seedy's RB claim (#708 and #720) matches with the info I have on my own role + her claimed role, she couldn't give away the Pog++ but wasn't notified that she was roleblocked because apparently my roleblock blocks item gifting but does not tell players w/o role actions they've been roleblocked.
aC's roleclaim in #732 makes me more confident re: Robust Laser, because apparently the inventor roles were also shotgun roles.
As far as I can tell the only roleblocking item we've found so far, the "age-old toffee", only roleblocks a player but doesn't block item actions. So it's still possible to distinguish between a player roleblock and an item roleblock.
and yeah now that I'm at post #971: unless my block got redirected off Palamedes on N1 somehow, there is no way he could have day-copped Coldblooded D2. So either he was a busdrive target N1, or he's lying (or both, in the situation where he was driven off of by a busdriver and still didn't have a daycop item).
(05-02-2018, 08:22 PM)CSJ Wrote: »Between that post and now though, there's been nothing much to suggest it's any less of a decent choice. At worst, we will deny someone the chance to steal their gun. If there are items, odds are there's a scum role that can take them.
Better than killing Spider or Solaris, imo.
hrrrrrrrgh (emphasis mine, re: CSJ's later flip)
(05-09-2018, 04:27 AM)Palamedes Wrote: »Schazer I don't think everyone involved in this conversation is definitely town, since there's a pretty good chance that the mafia could be in here trying to get more and more information out through this whole mess while not giving much up in return. Maybe that's what you meant though. That said I do certainly feel better about a few people than I did before (Cat, you, Mirdini a little).
If Pala's scum that makes me feel better about Sunspider bc the people involved in said convo (that Schaz said they felt people who were in were town) were Granolaman, Cat, a52, myself, Schazer, wheat & Sunspider. as well as more tangentially Akumu, robottobt & Pharmacy.
Sunspider kinda grills CSJ on item stuff around post #457, though if they're both scum thieves maybe they wanted to set up non-coalignment.
This is the wagon on CSJ before Palamedes breaks out the 'day cop' on Coldblooded:
CSJ (7) - Schazer, awkwardCarapace, seedy, Mirdini, Solaris, Robust Laser, Sunspider
Sunspider and Palamedes proceed to have a wordfight for a bit, then Palamedes busts out the guilty on CB and the wagon swaps.
CSJ was 3 votes from lynch and p. much guaranteed to die and Pala jerked the wagon entirely off him and onto roleblocker CB and I'm still not sure if that makes much sense but there are *some* reasons I could see scum!Pala pulling that move. Again, if there *is* a one-shot copping item then I'll be less convinced of this but... so far we have not seen one.
also notable:
(05-11-2018, 02:07 AM)Palamedes Wrote: »This is all of course, assuming I'm a cop. I have no night shenanigans I can get up to anymore so with three outed power roles I'm pretty low value as far as protection/watching targets.
when a52 confirms seeing Palamedes visit him (or CSJ) on Night 2.
and again
(05-11-2018, 02:08 AM)Mirdini Wrote: »Pala what was the name of the item you used, if it was an item cop?
(05-11-2018, 02:14 AM)Solaris Wrote: »pala is the item you used in the database
(05-11-2018, 02:24 AM)Sunspider Wrote: »Okay, I'm down for switching to vote CB if you've confirmed 'em as Mafia, Palamedes, but I'd REALLY prefer to do that after you share the item you used to check them. Especially if it's a one-shot item, since there's no cost to sharing that info.
(05-11-2018, 02:41 AM)Palamedes Wrote: »Solaris no not yet(?) and I don't want to go into it until that point.
Honestly Pala's play on this day is pretty townish, apart from his "I think CSJ is 3P and only *maybe* mafia" deal but then he also rips into CSJ's fakeclaim the following day. Then again, that might have been pivoting harder into the hyperbus zone due to a combination of no innocent check on godfather!csj + CSJ digging his own grave with enthusiastic vigor. Plus that weird Kung Fu Panda thing between CB and Pala, which feels even worse because the OTHER weird thing CB said before getting lynched was
(05-11-2018, 09:02 AM)Coldblooded Wrote: »Oh and CSJ, if you happen to be friends with any passenger pigeons, please tell them to go to the same spot as yesterday and we'll see if we can't work something out.
Day 3 Start Note:
a52 claims to have visited CSJ and have been redirected to himself, and saw Wheat, Palamedes, Nercania-Orccelga, awkwardCarapace and Robottobt (as well as himself obviously) visiting. Meaning each of those players either targeted CSJ or a52 (or both).
I think Pharms is town busdriver. One of Nercania-Orccelga or Palamedes is most likely a scum busdriver (why would town busdrive the scum/3P people have been saying should be shot?). Party hard?
aC's later claiming that they didn't decide to visit either CSJ OR a52 throws this for something of a loop, maybe Pharms' action N2 will help us figure it out. Reyweld later claiming to have been one of Wheat's targets throws out the scenario where everyone wheat was targeting was somehow seen by a52.
Seedy's RB claim (#708 and #720) matches with the info I have on my own role + her claimed role, she couldn't give away the Pog++ but wasn't notified that she was roleblocked because apparently my roleblock blocks item gifting but does not tell players w/o role actions they've been roleblocked.
aC's roleclaim in #732 makes me more confident re: Robust Laser, because apparently the inventor roles were also shotgun roles.
As far as I can tell the only roleblocking item we've found so far, the "age-old toffee", only roleblocks a player but doesn't block item actions. So it's still possible to distinguish between a player roleblock and an item roleblock.
and yeah now that I'm at post #971: unless my block got redirected off Palamedes on N1 somehow, there is no way he could have day-copped Coldblooded D2. So either he was a busdrive target N1, or he's lying (or both, in the situation where he was driven off of by a busdriver and still didn't have a daycop item).