RE: +iny ©at people
01-10-2018, 04:33 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-10-2018, 04:34 AM by ☆ C.H.W.O.K.A ☆.)
ok Jokes Chwoka is out of the system now. i'm putting down the knife.
to apologize is to return to the pattern of "do a bad thing, then act conciliatory," which is not just presumably tiresome to the other gods by this point, better managed by not doing the bad things in the first place, but is the pattern that absolutely defines our various downward spirals of action and overcompensatory reaction.
instead, we should clearheadedly make the case (to whoever the heck calls next, i'm guessing that's the pattern here,) more eloquently than we did to marzu, that it is, in fact, not a bad thing in the first place to make a knife that exists only as a harmless prank against ourselves.
to win, we have to play the game. anybody who truly wants to play to win under the rules, must be committed at this point to going full aggro, including on tasty and prophet if it comes down to it. we are boxed in. we might even have a fighting chance with wax on our side!
i don't want that. war is always bad except in the most stupendously justified instances, and even then it's a colossal tragedy that it even came to that. we have no authority to order someone else to their possible death over fucking nothing but somebody else's petty dislikes — frankly nobody does, but much less us, i mean look at us! a game, any game, is a fictitious construct, "losing" or "winning" by someone else's rules does not a real winner nor loser make.
with allied victory off the table, and war ruled out, we are left casting about for not just the third options (make every TCP go rogue in protest of war, make our own TCPs go rogue and then kill ourselves,) but a third way of seeing the whole endeavor. let's remind ourselves: this is not actually a life-or-death game, this is a comic, a story. what story is it? so far it's the farce of how frog-crimes fucked it all up, and we can see the whole situation as something to be pumped for raw entertainment value, to see how much worse it can get, laughing on the way down since it's not actually us that's going down. or maybe... it's a tragedy, something we can actually put empathy into, with a character at the center who's a mess of complicated contradictions, who's prone to reckless, youthful, at-first-comedic-then-grave errors, but who ultimately finds the resolve to stand up to an unjustly-designed system, just in time to be beat down for it as they make their stupidly courageous moonshot for a wholly different world, one where peace rules and TCPs are truly free?
nah, probably not. i suppose it's between Jokes Chwoka and Sun Tzu now.
gloomyMoron Wrote:As such, we owe everyone an apology.
to apologize is to return to the pattern of "do a bad thing, then act conciliatory," which is not just presumably tiresome to the other gods by this point, better managed by not doing the bad things in the first place, but is the pattern that absolutely defines our various downward spirals of action and overcompensatory reaction.
instead, we should clearheadedly make the case (to whoever the heck calls next, i'm guessing that's the pattern here,) more eloquently than we did to marzu, that it is, in fact, not a bad thing in the first place to make a knife that exists only as a harmless prank against ourselves.
(01-10-2018, 02:55 AM)SeaWyrm Wrote: »I agree with Schazer on what the most responsible course of action would be.
But, heck, while there's life, there's hope. I still think we should play for 100% victory: All TCPs alive + Frog-Crimes' ascension.
to win, we have to play the game. anybody who truly wants to play to win under the rules, must be committed at this point to going full aggro, including on tasty and prophet if it comes down to it. we are boxed in. we might even have a fighting chance with wax on our side!
i don't want that. war is always bad except in the most stupendously justified instances, and even then it's a colossal tragedy that it even came to that. we have no authority to order someone else to their possible death over fucking nothing but somebody else's petty dislikes — frankly nobody does, but much less us, i mean look at us! a game, any game, is a fictitious construct, "losing" or "winning" by someone else's rules does not a real winner nor loser make.
with allied victory off the table, and war ruled out, we are left casting about for not just the third options (make every TCP go rogue in protest of war, make our own TCPs go rogue and then kill ourselves,) but a third way of seeing the whole endeavor. let's remind ourselves: this is not actually a life-or-death game, this is a comic, a story. what story is it? so far it's the farce of how frog-crimes fucked it all up, and we can see the whole situation as something to be pumped for raw entertainment value, to see how much worse it can get, laughing on the way down since it's not actually us that's going down. or maybe... it's a tragedy, something we can actually put empathy into, with a character at the center who's a mess of complicated contradictions, who's prone to reckless, youthful, at-first-comedic-then-grave errors, but who ultimately finds the resolve to stand up to an unjustly-designed system, just in time to be beat down for it as they make their stupidly courageous moonshot for a wholly different world, one where peace rules and TCPs are truly free?
nah, probably not. i suppose it's between Jokes Chwoka and Sun Tzu now.