Tiny Chat People

why does nobody like or even remotely trust rein all of a sudden? is it just that the people who remain even considering going to war (and thus allying) as a possibility are all alike in viewpoint to warmonger grind?

I support the death sentence for murderers.

the last time we interacted we were tripping over ourselves wanting to ally with them.

And yet ultimately decided not to. Is there a reason to confront them directly? To make ourselves appear to be an enemy rather than a potential ally? It closes off options. It would be almost as inefficient as calling Macaron and then immediately asking how to kill their cats.

I'm kind of wondering what led to your sudden shift, actually. You were all gung ho for confrontation and now you want to 'be Sweden'.

they have done exactly zilch that is in any way suspect that we've seen, all they are is calm and friendly and openly helpful, not exactly a high sin but i guess a disposition like that sets off alarm bells if you don't believe someone can just Actually Be Nice?

I've played enough SMT to know you never trust the pearly-white-blank-faced god of order. Particularly when another god of order finds them reprehensible.

meanwhile, grind gets the most charitable, trusting reading possible?

Well that's obvious, it's because he's gorgeous.

But I also still insist that we shouldn't dedicate ourselves to a side until we've seen what other people's cats are up to.
We've spent so so so much time on inter-god relationships, which are important if you want to win a game, but I feel like that was actually a mistake if we want to be a worthwhile god.

This was never a bad idea. But the knife may have left us so distrusted this is no longer a safe idea. If we are viewed as a threat, and somebody decides to take us out, our cats riding in on a blimp is the ideal time to deal a massive blow.

For someone who claims to care so much about the cats, you really don't see how this endangers them?

Going back to my point: winning is not necessarily what is best for the cats. Protecting them and ensuring they live to see Paradise would be a less selfish choice than sending them to risk themselves for some ideal or another. You are doing no less than sending them into danger in service of a different ideal.

It certainly makes more sense than a god of justice (which we already are) who thinks we are completely incompetent.

He's not wrong. And our actions have been anything but just. Stop using it as an argument like saying 'we are justice' justifies whatever you do. It didn't justify Kira either.