RE: Lucidstuck: It's not over!
05-31-2016, 06:35 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-31-2016, 07:10 PM by Kayriel.)
Hey hey folks, you know what it is. It's Kayriel and we're getting these kids out alive. Protecting them from the worst threat to their survival since Vorrus died: Us.
To all newcomers and easily-unsettled people: We are NOT berating Daydream or Alice. Some part of her feels bad for what she's done, and she's shared that part with Emily AND us. Confidentially. Attacking it because we (by we I mean you) feel vindictive and want to personally punish her is going to make her recoil beyond our help at a crucial time.
Picture the last time you shared one of your deepest secrets with someone, and they used it to hurt you. How understanding were you? Did you FEEL like you should sit there and take it or did you retreat? Worse, did you attack the person in some fashion? Either way, it hurt enough that you stopped trusting them. However fucked up Daydream may be (and even by my standards she's a little fucked up (then again I figured this had/would happen a long, long time ago when I pointed out how yandere she was)) the fact remains that she bared her soul and some of us want to use that knowledge to STRIKE her just for self-gratification.
And that makes US into a monster, perhaps as much as her. Because her crime, while great, was not INTENTIONALLY malicious, we would attack what amounts to the god of this world just for personal satisfaction, citing to ourselves that because our crime is not hers we can throw our own baseline moral foundation aside to get pleasure out of hurting her. ... Which in turn causes her to withdraw from us in pain and shame or to foul our efforts in fury, those not -directly- related to helping Derrick. And Daydream knows what Alice knows, sees what Alice sees. Attacking Alice now is pointless, she's not real. Daydream knows what she did is wrong and Emily has begun the healing, the fixing, of what was broken in Daydream's mind to begin with.
Let's focus on keeping the kids alive, and our metaphorical hands clean. Were it just me, I would make suggestions for Daydream at appropriate times to aid in her psychological breakthrough and recovery, but because we have unknown quantities so wrapped up in hot-button knee-jerk reactions and trying to validate such by saying it helps accomplish this or that which breaks down our own judgement and ability to succeed at our primary task, we must let Emily handle Daydream. Alice doesn't matter, and attempting to interfere with her will make her WORSE. Even Daydream confirmed this.
Nothing has changed. Our mission is the same. Do not take actions that risk the mission for the sake of personal vindication. Nightmare knows what Daydream has done to him. The fact she is still alive and he has not renounced her speaks volumes, I think, about his willpower. Let's trust in Derrick for now, and guide him appropriately, for his good and the good of the rest of the kids - not as a mouthpiece of our desire to hurt others for our anger at their terrible crimes.
(tl;dr: Don't sabotage the mission just because you feel like white-knighting. If the victim managed to overcome this knowledge, then we sure as hell aren't qualified to avenge him when he was more than capable of doing so himself and chose not to.)
To all newcomers and easily-unsettled people: We are NOT berating Daydream or Alice. Some part of her feels bad for what she's done, and she's shared that part with Emily AND us. Confidentially. Attacking it because we (by we I mean you) feel vindictive and want to personally punish her is going to make her recoil beyond our help at a crucial time.
Picture the last time you shared one of your deepest secrets with someone, and they used it to hurt you. How understanding were you? Did you FEEL like you should sit there and take it or did you retreat? Worse, did you attack the person in some fashion? Either way, it hurt enough that you stopped trusting them. However fucked up Daydream may be (and even by my standards she's a little fucked up (then again I figured this had/would happen a long, long time ago when I pointed out how yandere she was)) the fact remains that she bared her soul and some of us want to use that knowledge to STRIKE her just for self-gratification.
And that makes US into a monster, perhaps as much as her. Because her crime, while great, was not INTENTIONALLY malicious, we would attack what amounts to the god of this world just for personal satisfaction, citing to ourselves that because our crime is not hers we can throw our own baseline moral foundation aside to get pleasure out of hurting her. ... Which in turn causes her to withdraw from us in pain and shame or to foul our efforts in fury, those not -directly- related to helping Derrick. And Daydream knows what Alice knows, sees what Alice sees. Attacking Alice now is pointless, she's not real. Daydream knows what she did is wrong and Emily has begun the healing, the fixing, of what was broken in Daydream's mind to begin with.
Let's focus on keeping the kids alive, and our metaphorical hands clean. Were it just me, I would make suggestions for Daydream at appropriate times to aid in her psychological breakthrough and recovery, but because we have unknown quantities so wrapped up in hot-button knee-jerk reactions and trying to validate such by saying it helps accomplish this or that which breaks down our own judgement and ability to succeed at our primary task, we must let Emily handle Daydream. Alice doesn't matter, and attempting to interfere with her will make her WORSE. Even Daydream confirmed this.
Nothing has changed. Our mission is the same. Do not take actions that risk the mission for the sake of personal vindication. Nightmare knows what Daydream has done to him. The fact she is still alive and he has not renounced her speaks volumes, I think, about his willpower. Let's trust in Derrick for now, and guide him appropriately, for his good and the good of the rest of the kids - not as a mouthpiece of our desire to hurt others for our anger at their terrible crimes.
(tl;dr: Don't sabotage the mission just because you feel like white-knighting. If the victim managed to overcome this knowledge, then we sure as hell aren't qualified to avenge him when he was more than capable of doing so himself and chose not to.)