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That’s a clean burnin’ show, I tell you what.

I was never able to really get in to King of the Hill, but rewatching it because it was the only thing on made me realize it's not as tedious as I remembered. Just not something I'd ever bother to actively seek out.

(and then videogame chat became tv chat)

The game isn't about poker, it's about the characters and their dialogue, it just happens to have poker in it. You pay 5 dollars because it's not just a poker game or something relatively simplistic like audiosurf, a whole team of writers, voice actors, cg animators, etc. worked on it.

I don't know any of the characters in both games (or rather, i don't care about them) except for the Valve ones and Ash, yet i can still see why having characters from different popular media interacting would be appealing to people. I'm willing to bet if it had characters you like you would pay more than $5 to play it.

Also, Army of Darkness is a great horror/comedy movie that's pretty enjoyable and it has some really neat effects and cinematography, you're missing out.

Actually I'm the kind of person who tries to avoid getting suckered by that kind of thing as much as possible so I still wouldn't no matter what characters were in it

also Army of Darkness is p'great.
and Adult Swim is kind of meh. Superjail is a 15 minutes well spent if you catch it tho

but yeah anyways. So does anyone here play Spiral Knights because they're updating the combat system

not the economy or fixing any of the actually broken problems, they're just changing the combat system

Well that's good 'cause clicking on dudes a bunch gets boring really fast.

I'm convinced that Army Of Darkness has a bigger following just because it was distributed by a major company.

Oh, i thought Army of Darkness was the first one, stupid subtitles taking over the main title. Evil Dead II is definitely the best of the series.

i don't know

it's great.

PLAID NO IT IS A TRAP

I would like to go on record and say if Poker had only cost me 5 dollars I'd be pretty happy

ahahah Ed by "Updating the combat system" it means they're adding a dash and a shield bash that's about it

it's OOO did you expect actual progress

I remember being in Puzzle Pirates beta.

Probably one of a small number of online games I regret leaving behind (because they went subscription at the time and I couldn’t afford it).

SF how long ago was this
back when it first came out on steam or what

because personally what I think really fucked F2Pers over is the way the CE market is structured resulting in 100 CE being 7k crowns on average
combined with 5* gear being 800 CE + 5k Cr + mats + level 10 4* gear it's just... ridiculous
and considering (IMO) one of the main draws of the game is how MANY kinds of gear there are, having to go through that much effort just to make one new piece of high-tier gear is the real kick in the pants :/

I remember someone I knew playing Puzzle Pirates like ten years ago.

Yes, that sounds about right.

Part of the remaining appeal is a very player-run setting (which expanded a good deal shortly after I stopped playing). At least as far as I recall, it’s kind of like EVE Online for... people who like cutesy pirate sprites and nonthreatening modes of violence. Kind of.

the thing was they didn't even have to do it because krogmo's arena would have occupied a lot of time between dungeon runs anyway, plus most of the not excessively paying players weren't exactly maxed out anyway

as for puzzle pirates, since it appeals to a wide range of possible players, it can just run on that alone, even without the fancy stuff

if you just want to hang out and not be heavily focused on the gameplay every moment, it's a pretty ideal set up

oh you mean during the beta?

hahaha but the beta's economy was both wonderful and terrible

because CE cost 2k but really that's why I hate the way that OOO has the game set up

the fact that the price structure is balanced in a way that makes CE at a MASSIVE premium - because let's see what costs CE now?

>making any armor that's 2* or higher requires more CE than you can get with just mist
>unless you purchase an Elevator pass, which is about 10 bucks and lasts a month, it costs 10 mist/CE to go down every floor
>You can control UVs now, but it costs CE
>You can also unbind items, but again. CE.
>You have to pay 250 a month for each weapon slot past 2, and 150 a month for each trinket slot
>to get to the new after-endgame levels and bosses (shadow lairs), you need a good 1.8k ce or something for a shadow key. And you need one EACH TIME so you better not fucking die or you just lost everything
>to get "Accessories" from unboxing, which is a new thing, you have to sink 800 CE or so into a silver key, one per box. unless they're promotions, then you just have to buy CE to get them OH WAIT
(Accessories are semi-recent additions that happen to be cosmetic items they are also usually only exceeded in cost by 5* weapons and recipes)

and the economy is still somewhat terrible because there are people who will actually buy large amounts of CE with cash or crowns, (or just save ridiculous numbers of crowns) and then make "bidblocks" - offers to buy more than 100 copies of 100 ce at the same price and because of how the market works that means it has to go through all 100 of those offers before getting to anyone lower and

argh.
argh

the game would be so much more fun if it wasn't set up in a way that made trying to do ANYTHING past the tutorial recquire either ultimate grindfest time or paying up

I would settle for a goddamn monthly fee over the way the game is set up because as it is it's actually a WORSE setup

Super if the CE cost was lower than 4k it was during beta still

the actual launch of non-beta SK was the day it came out on Steam, officially.

I actually started playing back then and dungeon runs DID still at the time at least sort of cover the costs; and it is easier to get more crowns due to the whole Mission thing they implemented

but you still basically need to grind the Firestorm Citadel for crowns to get CE unless you buy it, and that's most effectively accomplished with guilds

...which is a problem because the Guild Hall update actually forced a large number of guilds to break up, including one of the more famous guilds, Unity, which was formed of some of the best players from back in the Beta days

i don't know

it's great.

PLAID NO IT IS A TRAP

Does a sad thing happen? A sad thing happens, doesn't it D:

On advice of legal counsel, that can be neither confirmed nor denied.

So that's a yes

It's okay, i've gotten to the point where things are pointing that way anyway. Just beat the 2nd trigon.

Sorry to derail but a quick poker intermission
Brock forces me all in on the flop
considering I had a straight I thought "whats the worst that could happen"

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The mother of all Ass-pull hands. Thats what

Now back to your regularly scheduled content

The whole "woeful errand" deal isn't too subtle.
I was gonna come back and kill the boor later, but then he ran off and the game thought I was a nice person.
Figuring out the titanic tree took a silly amount of time, partially because what you need to do isn't as obvious on the PC as it is on a touchpad.

I got really stuck on the dragging the two cliff faces together part early on on the pc, hence why I'm touchscreening it this time.

What happens if you kill the boor, anyway?

You just get a message that informs you that you are a bad person, more or less.

I think I have an inkling of what my Dark Souls post looked like now.

Fact: I know exactly what mine looked like and still made it

Also Super, let me put it into perspective: the only way to know how strong enemies in a mission are is to look at which boss is next

Mission 2-4 is Snarbolax I believe, 4-4 is Jelly King, 5-4 may or may not be Roarmulus Twins I don't fully remember the order here, and 7-5, the last mission, is vanaduke

there are a SHITTON of missions

Prestige missions on the other hand have their difficulty determined by the total level of the gear you're wearing, which you can find in the "Loadouts" screen

basically if your current armor set is ranked "T3" in PvE, it automatically sends you to T3 Prestige; which... full 5* is kinda T3

Yeah it's sort of a bitch now. They did a recent UI update to so everything looks weird

As far as weapons: Polaris is a pain in the ass to get because you have to find the bloody recipes or buy them for obscene amounts, as well as beat R-twins enough to get the base gun in the first place. However, Polaris is one of the best elemental guns in the game atm due to its pathetically large range and being able to inflict shock. It's especially preferred in PvP (I still like my Argent Peacemaker and Sentenza better). So it's worth making, but it's a pain to make.

Khorovod is good if you like that kind of weapon BUuuuut Sudaruska is arguably less useful than Triglav anyways; and if you just want a heavy sword Divine Avenger is better anyways............ hahahaha....

having mixed resistances is all well and good, but can be negated by just timing your dodges and shielding well, as I learned. Let me put it this way - technically, Azure Guardian armor has one of the worst resistances of all armor sets (Normal and Piercing are near useless in T3), but I still beat FSC with zero damage in it... so uh

Up to you, but you'll have to upgrade it. Personally, I'd go with Vog or Skolver just to get the sword speed bonus if you're using Sudaruska.

Also if you want any compadres I'd probably be up for helping out, I'm out of class for the summer after next week, so I should be able to do stuff. And if I feel like it I might use some spare steam cash I have sitting around for an ele pass. Grinding can actually be fun in this game. sometimes.

I think I have an inkling of what my Dark Souls post looked like now.

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I'm wearing cosmetic armor from last year's Halloween event because I love Halloween.

The Khorovod is the slowest sword in the game, but has very high damage. When I last played, it was the end of the upgrade line it belonged to, but now has an endgame upgrade (the Sudaruska). It loses out in DPS against some faster swords one on one, but excells at crowd control due to its long reach and strong knockback.

The Firo Driver is a gun that shoots fire and burns enemies. The Polaris shoots electricity and shocks them. Fire is DoT, shock is DoT and can also interrupt enemy attacks, but can spread to other enemies or you.

The Vog Cub armor adds a bonus to attack speed, making the Khorovod more viable.

Shadow is one of three damage types discounting normal damage, the other two are piercing and elemental. Resistance and weakness is on a rock paper scissors basis. One of the two monster families that deals piercing damage, slimes, are mostly pitiful and don't turn up as much in high level play. Enemies that deal shadow damage do, and they are much more mean. Right now I am mostly specced to resist elemental because a lot of the monsters that deal it are fairly nasty. The aforementioned guns both do elemental damage and are largely identical strategically. Elemental ranged weapons are good because the game's equivalent of turrets are weak to it, and getting close enough for melee means dodging a hail of bullets.

Fact: Spiral Knights, when played at a high enough level, is more akin to a bullet hell than you'd expect

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SpoilerIf you want the Skelly mask you might have to give up on one of the big things Vog is liked for in FSC: Burn protection. you will get set on fire SO much less in FSC with full vog, but every single enemy is a fiend and therefore deals shadow damage so... up to you.

you could also take the long route and try to get Snarbolax armor but... that's an even bigger pain than just getting Vog...

Sudaruska is generally only considered inferior to Triglav because Triglav is Sudaruska except its charge shot has Freeze instead of stun, which is overall more effective.
Polaris is yeah, basically if you want to take the time go for the polaris, it's really good in more situations than the Drivers or my Antigua series, its only real disadvantage is that because the shots can get so big they can sometimes go places you don't want them to
in FSC literally everything except the Trojans and Vanaduke himself is weak to elemental, so it might be worth it to have a backup Blitz Needle if you can manage (that involves having all 4 slots though unfortunately which... costs... ce/money... SIGH)

if you feel like it, you can buy the Operation Crimson Hammer DLC, it has two of the best 5* weapons in the game for FREE upon completing the T3 run (which is kind of hard admittedly) and the chance to make one of the best headgears in the game - Seerus' mask.

all three come in 1*, 3*, and 5* variants, and almost all of the seerus mask variants Look Pretty Cool

so yeah

Also yeah I couldn't remember which had the speed bonus so I just kinda generalized there.

Everyone uses EVERYTHING except the weapons that are considered jokes, and that's usually for good reason. Could use Gran Faust! curse is fun.
Also have you thought about using bombs bombs are actually amazing

I've had an elevator pass before; I got a pretty good bit of use out of it at the time. If I bought it I'd probably use it to play with you guys some but also with some friends from my former guild (which was doing pretty well until it collapsed under the weight of the guild update)

yeah, i read about it

what did they do that caused veterans to quit

AND WHY DO THEY KEEP DOING IT

yeah, i read about it

what did they do that caused veterans to quit

AND WHY DO THEY KEEP DOING IT

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Spoilerokay here's the thing: OOO is really bad about not hiding that a lot of what they want is to FORCE people to make the microtransactions, so they fuck over F2Pers as often as possible.

Veterans are constantly simply realizing that to get anything done past 5*, they have to put in several times the work they had to do just to get to that point, and a lot of people don't want to do that.

Originally that was only a problem with armor and weapons, those were the only things you could really get. But then they made it worse: Accessories. Accessories are cosmetics, and like all cosmetics, generally worth a lot if they're rare enough. The problem is now if you want to also look cool and have good weapons, you have to put in EVEN MORE effort than you already had to for just the armor and weapons past 5*

but you could sort of mitigate that with the help of a guild. Well, they managed to shatter the guilds to some degree with the Guild Hall update - basically, guilds could make their guild hall look really awesome... in exchange for a weekly upkeep cost. If you ever fail to meet it, even once, you lose all your upgrades (which I calculated the total costs a while ago, it was something like 700 million crowns just to get all the actual upgrades (and that's just upgrades, not furniture or anything), and something like 750k crowns a week for upkeep, too.) until you manage to pay up whatever your debt is (and it accumulates! IT ACCUMULATES!!!!) you are stuck in basic guild hall mode.

the reason this was a big thing was that your guild hall could ACTUALLY LOOK REALLY AWESOME, you could have an upgrade of up to 150 members, you could get all kinds of cool stuff to put in the rooms, you could even have a mini Auction house and crafting stuff in the rooms (best of all, there was an item called the mist well - if you put in CE, you can take it out as mist. AS MIST!! but you need to put in at least 500 CE at a time to turn it on). But a lot of guilds are actually made up mostly of inactives, and when they tried to expand it all fell apart.

then they did the UI update which alienated a lot of people because they REALLY HATE how it looks. like
really
really really hate

a lot. I personally am not a fan..... ahhahaha

and a lot of people left because they feel OOO is, instead of say ADDING ACTUAL NEW CONTENT, just milking people for all they're worth. OCH, while controversial for being paid DLC, was still pretty well recieved because NEW CONTENT.

Really if OOO:

• Cut crafting CE costs by half, or maybe even just 100
  
• Made the endgame bosses (shadow lairs) more accessible
  
• Stopped making more fucking promotional recolors of the currently available accessories
  
• Killed the "10 energy to go down one floor" restriction so that you weren't super limited in what you were doing in F2P
  
• Made more NEW CONTENT like not just new enemies, actual new bosses and story stuff
  
• Made better new gear/balanced some of the older stuff
  
• Generally fixed some of the issues people have been throwing at them since the game launched

it would be a pretty great game. Even just one would be a massive improvement. It's still fun, it's just that it's a massive grindfest with a limit on how much you can grind in its current state.
I played a lot more when I was part of a guild (and had the chance to play whenever I wanted instead of being limited by my dad), because Guilds really do help - a 5* player (who is nice enough/skilled enough) can usually carry a lower leveled player through a few grinds of FSC (the main Final Boss's levels) to help them get CE more easily.

I think the biggest problem is that once you get to 5*, the biggest draws are "getting all the items" and "making yourself look cool", both of which are INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT endeavors! to get one piece of armor from 2* (the normal lowest rank for most of the best armor sets) to 5*, it costs a total of 1400 CE and 8500 crowns. Considering the average trade rate of Crowns to CE is between 7 and 8k for 100 (the base unit of CE is measured in 100s usually), that means that to make one 5* armor piece from a 2*, it costs between 18300 and 19700 crowns, plus a number of materials - some of which can go for ridiculous prices in the auction house and are a pain to grind for.

To put that in perspective, the average FSC run nets you maybe 5k if I remember right. That's one run of 3 of the highest level floors in the game. that's around 4 runs per armor piece, not counting the fact that you need to get "heat" on the weapons or armor you're upgrading to a specific point, and the recipe, which when bought from a vender cost 20k for just the 5*, and are even MORE expensive from the AH and...

see where I'm going with this? The easy way out for high level players is to "buy CE and sell it for crowns" to be able to get what you want. :/