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proof - a52 - 03-09-2017 consider the list of all prime numbers, ie. 2, 3, 5, 7, 11... now remove all but the first one digit prime, the first two digit prime, etc, leaving 2, 11, 101, etc. arrange these primes in a table, like the one below. Code: 0002 we have thus constructed a (probably) prime number that is different from every prime number on our list, proving that there are uncountably many primes, and, as a corollary, that there exists some prime number with infinitely many digits. RE: proof - Justice Watch - 03-10-2017 I probably don't know enough about primes, but, What properties/laws are you using that makes N prime? Have you also considered that, under the number system that allows infinite digit integers, since [...11111] is the largest number, there must also be a largest prime number? If we constructed a table in that method that contains n primes, the resulting N has m digits. Surely there exists some n that produces a table that contains a number larger than N, if not containing N outright. The table that we used with n = infinity produces some prime N with some m digits; m in this case is presumably infinity. Does our infinite list contain a number larger than N? Which infinite value has more "infinite-ness", n or m? RE: p - btp - 03-10-2017 consider the list of all possible sandwich toppings, i.e. Lettuce, tomato, basil, mustard... now remove all but the best topping, the second best topping, etc, leaving some damn fine toppings. Now arrange these toppings on an actual table, like the one below. let us create a new sandwich, Steve. let the first topping on Steve be equal the first topping on the list, but better, The second topping be the second topping on the list, but better, etc. with only the toppings from the table above. Steve=Hella Good. we have thus constructed a (probably) prime sandwich that is different from every prime topping on our list, proving that there are uncountably many sandwiches, and, as a corollary, that there exists some prime sandwich of infinite tastiness. RE: proof - Dragon Fogel - 03-10-2017 Um, Bob, you forgot the bread, now our table is infinitely messy. RE: proof - btp - 03-10-2017 True, but Hilbert over here says we still have room for another infinite set of toppings. So I'm not too worried about the mess. RE: proof - Justice Watch - 03-10-2017 issue: the list of all toppings is finite, but you included the 1st, 2nd, and so on best toppings. With no specified endpoint. Thus Steve contains every topping, even the gnarly nasty ones. I will admit that you added each topping, but better, but how exactly can each of these toppings be any better than very bad?
Another problem: Steve can conceivably contain itself, and any sandwiches of infinite tastiness can conceivably contain themselves. Is there then a perfect sandwich that only contains toppings of itself, and, is it possible to create such a sandwich in the physical realm? If my hypothesis of "no" is correct, then why is life so cruel? RE: proof - Dragon Fogel - 03-10-2017 If sandwiches can contain themselves, then you wind up with the sandwich containing all sandwiches that don't contain themselves and only those sandwiches, and that's just not a road anyone wants to go down. RE: proof - a52 - 03-11-2017 If all sandwiches are finite, then how can open sandwiches have no defined bottom layer? RE: proof - qwerx3 - 03-11-2017 If you put two pieces of bread on opposite sides of the world does that make the whole Earth a sandwich RE: proof - SC - 03-11-2017 What if every concieveable object was inside one human being's body, but they were the size of atoms? Would said human be a universe? RE: proof - Dragon Fogel - 03-11-2017 What does that have to do with sandwiches? RE: proof - SC - 03-11-2017 What do YOU have to do with sandwiches??? RE: proof - Dragon Fogel - 03-11-2017 I ate one a little while ago. RE: proof - Justice Watch - 03-11-2017 Here's how - a human eats an everything sandwich, becomes a universe RE: proof - Reyweld - 03-12-2017 But woulndn't the human just die if they ate the everything sandwich? RE: proof - a52 - 03-12-2017 (03-12-2017, 12:33 AM)Reyweld Wrote: ยปBut woulndn't the human just die if they ate the everything sandwich? it's an idealized abstraction. RE: proof - SC - 03-12-2017 yeah, it's what we call in the business, a "Question" |