(10-30-2019, 09:11 PM)Neri Wrote: »>Alice: I apologize on behalf of several of the others. A number of them appear to have a fairly significant bias against you for reasons unknown to myself. Given, they had just as large a bias against Daydream prior to actually sitting down and talking to her, so I suspect it's a case of innate paranoia and a distrust of those outside of current informational awareness. They will settle down once they get used to talking to you. Just like they have for every single other instance of 'stranger danger' that they've run into. I do not consider this paranoia rational, and as such, although I do not normally, will speak to avoid a botching of this social encounter. I consider it viable to establish a working relationship. I suspect that the others will realize such once they observe positive interactions.

Regardless.To answer your question. Our present priority goal, as we have been instructed, is to keep all Dreamers in this session alive and unpossessed until whatever constitutes the 'end state.' Secondary and tertiary goals are variable depending on the individual in question. My secondary would be 'observe interesting sequences of events and interactions.' Hence why I don't normally commune and instead watch.
Now a question for you: Define this 'Void' you mentioned and what methods you have in mind for escaping it. You mentioned having an Illusion Dreamer produce an illusion 'real' enough to not be identifiable as an illusion being one option. Are there others that you have in mind? Are there any we may be able to facilitate?

(10-30-2019, 10:28 PM)martialAcademic Wrote: »"In the instance you mentioned of us 'being defensive', we were asking for further elaboration, as well as stating that our answer to your previous request: "In return I ask that You help me understand how far this is going to go on." would require such elaboration to properly understand.

As for the information about us and our goals you requested: There are a variety of motivations among us, but the key one is entertainment. Specifically, deriving entertainment by ensuring the continued survival and well-being of the current group of Dreamers: Lucas, Garreth, Lexii, Emily, Lucia, Alice, Derrick, and associates. Another subgoal of immediate note is playing matchmaker and seeing certain relationships come to fruition, but that's far less important."

(10-31-2019, 06:34 AM)neferiusNexus Wrote: »Allright, well, it's trying to get the upper hand so eff that. We need to make one thing very clear to it:

>We just witnessed you try to manipulate Lucia in killing one of her friends so you can posses them. You also just inadvertently admitted you care about nothing and nobody except this pet project of yours. Speaking for myself, it seems to me you've utterly lost your grip on what's Real and what's not,  so infatuated with your own power. How many times have you stolen some young child's life only to return here and do it all again? A wise man once said that the definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results. You want us to be more courteous? Fine, I have no trouble being referred to as an "ancient one" regardless of how true your assertion that you already know of us might be. However, it would also be polite on your part to introduce yourself with a name.

(10-30-2019, 10:29 PM)TerraTorment Wrote: »

(10-30-2019, 10:28 PM)martialAcademic Wrote: »"In the instance you mentioned of us 'being defensive', we were asking for further elaboration, as well as stating that our answer to your previous request: "In return I ask that You help me understand how far this is going to go on." would require such elaboration to properly understand.

As for the information about us and our goals you requested: There are a variety of motivations among us, but the key one is entertainment. Specifically, deriving entertainment by ensuring the continued survival and well-being of the current group of Dreamers: Lucas, Garreth, Lexii, Emily, Lucia, Alice, Derrick, and associates. Another subgoal of immediate note is playing matchmaker and seeing certain relationships come to fruition, but that's far less important."

[seconding]

(10-30-2019, 09:11 PM)Neri Wrote: »>Alice: I apologize in advance on behalf of a very small, but excessively vocal minority among us. Some of them appear to be standoffish for reasons unknown to myself. I suspect it's a case of innate paranoia and a distrust of those outside of current informational awareness. They will settle down once they get used to talking to you. Their paranoia and is not rational, and as such, although I do not normally, will speak to avoid a botching of this social encounter. I consider it viable to establish a working relationship. I suspect that the others will realize such once they observe positive interactions. Do not pay excessive heed to the voices of the excessively hostile or paranoid, they do not speak for the majority.

>Alice: Regardless.To answer your question. Our present priority goal, as we have been instructed, is to keep all Dreamers in this session alive and unpossessed until whatever constitutes the 'end state.' Secondary and tertiary goals are variable depending on the individual in question. My secondary would be 'observe interesting sequences of events and interactions.' Hence why I don't normally commune and instead watch.

neferiusNexus Wrote: » Wrote:Allright, well, it's trying to get the upper hand so eff that. We need to make one thing very clear to it:

>We just witnessed you try to manipulate Lucia in killing one of her friends so you can posses them. You also just inadvertently admitted you care about nothing and nobody except this pet project of yours. Speaking for myself, it seems to me you've utterly lost your grip on what's Real and what's not,  so infatuated with your own power. How many times have you stolen some young child's life only to return here and do it all again? A wise man once said that the definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results. You want us to be more courteous? Fine, I have no trouble being referred to as an "ancient one" regardless of how true your assertion that you already know of us might be. However, it would also be polite on your part to introduce yourself with a name.

>We just witnessed you try to manipulate Lucia in killing one of her friends so you can posses them. You also just inadvertently admitted you care about nothing and nobody except this pet project of yours, so you'll forgive us for not trusting your words. How many times have you stolen some young child's life only to return here and do it all again? A wise man once said that the definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results. We should endeavor to be courteous towards each other however, so to that end I personally have no trouble being referred to as an "ancient one" regardless of how true your assertion that you already know of us might be. However, it would also be polite on your part to introduce yourself with a name.

(10-30-2019, 10:28 PM)martialAcademic Wrote: »>UE: In the instance you mentioned of us 'being defensive', we were asking for further elaboration, as well as stating that our answer to your previous request: "In return I ask that You help me understand how far this is going to go on." would require such elaboration to properly understand.

As for the information about us and our goals you requested: There are a variety of motivations among us, but the key one is entertainment. Specifically, deriving entertainment by ensuring the continued survival and well-being of the current group of Dreamers: Lucas, Garreth, Lexii, Emily, Lucia, Alice, Derrick, and associates. Another subgoal of immediate note is playing matchmaker and seeing certain relationships come to fruition, but that's far less important.

(10-31-2019, 02:09 PM)Noo5uke Wrote: »

(10-30-2019, 10:28 PM)martialAcademic Wrote: »>UE: In the instance you mentioned of us 'being defensive', we were asking for further elaboration, as well as stating that our answer to your previous request: "In return I ask that You help me understand how far this is going to go on." would require such elaboration to properly understand.

As for the information about us and our goals you requested: There are a variety of motivations among us, but the key one is entertainment. Specifically, deriving entertainment by ensuring the continued survival and well-being of the current group of Dreamers: Lucas, Garreth, Lexii, Emily, Lucia, Alice, Derrick, and associates. Another subgoal of immediate note is playing matchmaker and seeing certain relationships come to fruition, but that's far less important.

[seconding]

(10-31-2019, 07:42 PM)amobiaman Wrote: »>UE: We have been wondering what you would like to be called for some time now.

(10-31-2019, 11:23 PM)RemoteCalamity Wrote: »

(10-31-2019, 07:42 PM)amobiaman Wrote: »>UE: We have been wondering what you would like to be called for some time now.

I'm gunna suggest this comes after UE replies.
Also this command
>???: I ask that you don't hold our paranoia against us. When lies and deceit run rampant, facts and fictions blur together. facts need to be doubted to find truth. Also if you're curious about what caused the changes within us, we can't tell you. Don't hold that against us either.

(10-31-2019, 11:42 PM)enlightenedSage Wrote: »>For the sake of clarity, to call us "ancients" because we exist before your time would be no different from saying "because f(x)=x+1 will always have higher numbers than f(x) it can therefore be considered to be after." this is a fallacious statement because both timelines are infinite and therefore are simultaneously before and after each other, even if ours just so happened to beget yours. the nature of beings from two different universes doesn't imply we are in any way gods or flawless. it would be disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

(10-31-2019, 11:42 PM)enlightenedSage Wrote: »>For the sake of clarity, to call us "ancients" because we exist before your time would be no different from saying "because f(x)=x+1 will always have higher numbers than f(x) it can therefore be considered to be after." this is a fallacious statement because both timelines are infinite and therefore are simultaneously before and after each other, even if ours just so happened to beget yours. the nature of beings from two different universes doesn't imply we are in any way gods or flawless. it would be disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

(11-02-2019, 12:32 AM)neferiusNexus Wrote: »

(10-31-2019, 11:42 PM)enlightenedSage Wrote: »>For the sake of clarity, to call us "ancients" because we exist before your time would be no different from saying "because f(x)=x+1 will always have higher numbers than f(x) it can therefore be considered to be after." this is a fallacious statement because both timelines are infinite and therefore are simultaneously before and after each other, even if ours just so happened to beget yours. the nature of beings from two different universes doesn't imply we are in any way gods or flawless. it would be disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

Seconding this.

(The math checks out AND it's a nice bit of philosophical fodder :)

(11-02-2019, 10:46 PM)Kayriel Wrote: »[Fellow, go ahead and put every bit of your post in brackets, please. Otherwise they are candidates and can be 'heard'.]