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RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Robust Laser - 07-23-2018
So like, if Pharms is the key point in making it mylo regardless of their alignment, then it's... kind of safe? Maybe?
trying to talk myself into it but could the existence of the blowgun really be all that's making this into a conditional mylo? I guess the condition could be anything. But if your idea is true, then a Pharms lynch would leave us most likely with one more day if a town-lynch. Which, like, I personally would then be absolutely certain about Reyweld being scum.
Of course, if Pharms is town and this was a play on Reyweld's part to get a mislynch here, he'd have to be pretty damn certain it would be the last day. So like, if I'm wrong, I can't imagine it would be particularly safe.
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Robust Laser - 07-23-2018
All assuming we're at one mafia remaining, and honestly I think it's just too unlikely that our conditional mylo is for two mafia. Possible, but not likely. The one maf one 3p idea is more within the realms of possibility, but since the theory behind that is it would be a poisoner and that acts on a delay, so maybe shouldn't be worried about as immediately.
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Reyweld - 07-23-2018
After I flip, lynch Pharmacy please.
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Acionyx - 07-23-2018
Votes:
Pharmacy: (2) (Reyweld, Robust Laser)
Abstaining: (4) (Schazer, Wheat, Palamedes, Pharmacy)
4 to lynch
~54 hours to deadline
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Acionyx - 07-23-2018
Wheat dramatically unleashes a particularly noxious fart
It has no notable effect but everyone puts a few more feet of distance between him and themselves
Votes:
Pharmacy: (2) (Reyweld, Robust Laser)
Abstaining: (4) (Schazer, Wheat, Palamedes, Pharmacy)
4 to lynch
~52 hours to deadline
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Schazer - 07-23-2018
I reeeeeally don't want to ask for a day extension. Can we lynch Pharmacy now?
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Robust Laser - 07-23-2018
there's a way you can contribute to that
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Robust Laser - 07-23-2018
i feel like i'm starting to get actively rude in an effort to do something and i should try to be less so
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Palamedes - 07-24-2018
Kind of still rather lynch Reyweld. Pharmacy's play still seems more like she could be town, plus if she is she's basically our best shot at keeping the game alive if we do mislynch.
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Robust Laser - 07-24-2018
If we mislynch on going for Reyweld, Pharmacy isn't our best shot for keeping the game alive because it means they're scum.
If Reyweld is not scum, Pharmacy is. If Pharmacy is not scum, Reyweld is.
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Robust Laser - 07-24-2018
What this mylo means depends on what you believe is true about bonus killing methods, or how many scum are available. If that blowdart is still around, it can account for the additional kill needed for a scum win if there's one scum remaining. If there's two scum remaining. I. Guess Pharmacy would be what would prevent a loss......
....it's really looking like if we're going simply by 'how much mafia remaining' then pharmacy is a more likely choice if one scum is left, and reyweld if two.
But wait if there's one scum remaining there has to be something to stop one of the kills, right?
....hey uh, who aside from pharmacy has any methods of redirection or prevention re: deaths. Because depending on that, I might be ready to change my vote.
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Robust Laser - 07-24-2018
Pharmacy is denying having any bonus murder capabilities so if they're maf and are lying and have two kills to their name, with nobody around to stop it, there's no "conditional" about this. So Reyweld would be the more likely candidate, since Pharms would have the potential ability to redirect a kill, as tricky a redirect as it may be. But if somebody else has a way to affect the proceedings of the night, Pharms is back on the table, as we aren't relying on redirection as our protection method.
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Robust Laser - 07-24-2018
Also I think I'm convinced that there's only one mafia remaining, else we'd be at conditional lylo, right? 6 alive, if we didn't lynch one person would die from maf lynch, one would die of poison, and unless one of those could be stopped it'd be maf victory.
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Acionyx - 07-24-2018
Votes:
Pharmacy: (2) (Reyweld, Robust Laser)
Reyweld: (1) (Wheat)
Abstaining: (3) (Schazer, Palamedes, Pharmacy)
4 to lynch
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Schazer - 07-24-2018
vote: pharmacy
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Robust Laser - 07-24-2018
IF ANYBODY HAS AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION I ASKED NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO SAY IT ELSE WE MIGHT BE MAKING A MISTAKE
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Palamedes - 07-25-2018
Schazer is poisoned, so unless she's lying (necessitating a Reyweld/Schazer scumteam I think?) I believe you're right. Mislynch someone, Pharmacy kills twice with Schazer dying, and two alive.
Alternately, two scum alive means we're at regular MYLO if Schazer is town or lying scum, and same if she's scum and telling the truth (only if Pharms shoots though, since two dead plus dead scum plus mislynch puts us in the same spot).
Option: No Lynch. Pharmacy swaps Wheat with me and shoots Reyweld, I redirect to Laser. Scum has to shoot Schazer or Reyweld (wasting a kill), me, Wheat, or Laser (Laser death), or Pharmacy (pseudo wasting a kill since vest).
I might be wrong, but I think that would mean tomorrow we go into things with three or four alive, with Schazer, Reyweld, and potentially Laser dead, and almost definitely one scum left alive. If anything deviates from that, we lynch Pharmacy and if not we look at whoever is left standing (still probably Pharmacy if somehow everyone else ends up dead and town).
I just asked in my QT about redirection/busdriving priority and answers might screw this plan but I think it's worth talking about in this last day?
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Palamedes - 07-25-2018
Worth noting: I think if we lynch today it has to be Pharmacy. If she is scum there is no way we win the game with a mislynch, and even if she's town we could still lose with a mislynch. Meanwhile, the only reason we lose if we mislynch her is if Reyweld and Laser are scum together, and I feel like that would have been called as just regular MYLO.
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Robust Laser - 07-25-2018
I just can't see 2 mafia alive being a conditional mylo at all, unless Schazer is lying about poison. Like, if it's not taking mechanics into account, why call it conditional at all?
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Reyweld - 07-25-2018
With a No Lynch, assuming Schazer isn’t lying about being poisoned as there is literally no reason to (if they were scum or town it would get themselves lynched in a next day which would screw their team), here are the possible results with two nightkills creating the potential mylo situation today:
Great!
Robust Laser
Pharmacy
Palamedes
Great!
Wheat
Pharmacy
Palamedes
BAD
Reyweld
Pharmacy
Palamedes
I don’t have any possibilities with Palamedes dying because of their claim, as well as the claim that they caused multiple deaths from their off-self redirection. Assuming Palamedes’ claim is true, this gives Pharmacy complete control of redirection, allowing them to secure the ideal scenario with both me and them alive.
By not deciding between me and Pharmacy today, we leave the decision solely to Palamedes.
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Reyweld - 07-25-2018
Honestly, I was frustrated when Wheat’s gun wasn’t real. It could have won us the game easily.
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Palamedes - 07-25-2018
That's what I'm thinking too, more and more. I think conditional means it's only MYLO if certain situations are met, and with two scum alive it should be regular MYLO - only situation that would change is if Schazer is dying scum, but that probably isn't the world we're in right now.
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Palamedes - 07-25-2018
Reyweld, with my suggestion (assuming my assumptions re: my redirection being the fastest action) Wheat should survive no matter what as well and you should die - if this doesn't happen Pharmacy is almost definitely scum. That would turn two nightkills into this scenario:
1)
Pala
Wheat
Pharmacy
2)
Pala
Wheat
Pharmacy (-1 life)
Laser
Both are pretty safe, since if you flip town we know Pharmacy should be lynched, and if you're scum the game is probably over (and if not we lynch Laser if they're still alive).
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Robust Laser - 07-25-2018
So wait, Pala, you have a redirection ability? As in your redirect kills away from yourself? For some reason I am having trouble like, parsing everything but if wheat also can't die (??????) then that leaves a lot of room for the theoretical bonus dart kill open, which means Pharmacy is totally the most likely mafia here! Unless I'm wrong and misunderstood what's being claimed, if Pharmacy doesn't have the only control over stopping the mafia, it means they are way more likely here!!
Gonna really want to hear what 'conditional' means after this.
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Robust Laser - 07-25-2018
Mafia is both though! Information to be able to apply logic to the situation is like, the main weapon of the town.