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RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Pharmacy - 07-21-2018
Hrmm. I suppose.
Vote: Palamedes
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Reyweld - 07-21-2018
Palamedes isn't a scum. They got Coldblooded lynched with a real investigative item no one else seemed to know about. If what they're saying is true, and there is no counter claim to this so it obviously is unless Mirdini did it and Palamedes knew (which is a long shot), they also got N-o killed.
If Palamedes was a hostile 3P, he wouldn't want an obvious lynch to be killed that could buffer his own survival.
If Palamedes is town (which is very very likely), killing him may lose us the game!
Also, @Pharmacy, why would you decide to switch off of me and onto Palamedes?
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Palamedes - 07-21-2018
Wheat I redirected to CSJ night two, thought I said that. Also every single double role so far has been passive/active, and I'm fairly certain I've certified my redirecting powers as much as possible.
Honestly as valid a strategy as bussing can be if you seriously think I'd get the frankly safe Coldblooded lynched out of nowhere to save CSJ for a single day and then redirect a bullet to n-o and give town a free obvious mafia kill this late in the game you're going to need to justify how all of that makes any sense whatsoever.
Re: Dini doing anything, remember he got blocked yesterday again, so unless he's been lying about roleblocks for the past two days (something scum would very likely know making the whole point moot) I dont see how he could have done much, or why he would have made a target out of himself the way he did (unless bladed shield, though if that were the case I think he would have lived).
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Acionyx - 07-21-2018
Votes:
Pharmacy: (2) (Reyweld, Robust Laser)
Palamedes: (1) (Pharmacy)
Abstaining: (3) (Schazer, Wheat, Palamedes)
4 to lynch
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Schazer - 07-22-2018
Palamedes' claimed role is one of the few explanations that satisfies me in terms of figuring out how n-o died last night. I just y'know wanted to hear it from them directly.
I'm happy enough with a Pharmacy lynch today.
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Palamedes - 07-22-2018
Wheat that was mostly directed at Schazer and Pharmacy. I just didn't think you saw where I said that I redirected to CSJ (probably explaining some item shifts and aC targeting that mess). I get that you think giving a killer a bunch of extra tools makes sense, but a reusable nexus basically screws scum over against them and why not give the survivor something similar (when they otherwise are even more at the mercy of randomly getting killed)?
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Palamedes - 07-22-2018
I mean yeah it's basically a moot point and I think Pharmacy is probably the safer bet (especially considering she should have been protecting you) but I also wonder why as scum she wouldn't protect n-o when they risked shooting me.
Reyweld or Laser are probably even better targets to look at. Probably Reyweld since Laser can more or less only be scum now if Reyweld is.
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Schazer - 07-22-2018
People with poison can pass it on to somebody else; the only way to present poison's circulation is either to combine it with an Apple or have it land on someone who dies before they can hock it off again.
Not necessarily disagreeing with assessment that palamedes could be 3p antitown, just trying to make sure practical possibilities don't go unmentioned.
At this point though I am praying to all the gods that be that I actually die tonight
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Robust Laser - 07-22-2018
If Pharms fliips scum, and the game does not end, then Pala being 3p poisoner seems very possible. If Pharms flips town then, uh. The game also has a large chance of ending I think.
Pharms not showing up on that watchlist I kept thinking of but dismissing, but if they showed up on somebody else's watch, that's an inconsistency worth wondering about? I remember people pretty quickly dismissing it as "An invisible driver? Well there goes my theories" but if they showed up elsewhere, that's not invisible? Did a swap actually happen as claimed then?
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Palamedes - 07-22-2018
Yeah I think it more or less comes down to a Reyweld or Pharmacy vote, unfortunately the votes today don't point towards one or the other but I think Wheat's point re: the tipoff of Solaris' role have some merit and that most of the two scum worlds involve Reyweld are pushing me more that way.
Oh also re: Akumu getting poisoned, Akumu straight up claimed making poison (lie or not) and n-o targetted people without knowing their alignment. It's extremely possible that n-o gave other scum poison without knowing it, which is the reason why I don't think Reyweld being a bomb target is particularly clearing for him anymore.
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Reyweld - 07-22-2018
When CSJ posted the "Schazer's not just a Mason" post, at a time when Solaris had flipped as a Mason Doctor, it was pretty obvious that Schazer wouldn't just be a vanilla mason. I reread it as scum fishing for information.
Yes, I checked Solaris. They had the Magical Medkit. But if I was scum, why would I give away accurate information?
A scum team with Robust Laser and me wouldn’t make sense if you consider past days. Robust Laser would not purposefully incriminate me for no play whatsoever. He didn’t try to get me lynched for the town’s favour. As a team, we have nothing to gain from doing that.
I imagine we’re in potential Mylo because that “secret item” Mirdini gave Pharmacy was the Poison Blowdarts. With Schazer poisoned, a mislynch, poison dart, and mafia kill leave us with Pharmacy and one other.
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Schazer - 07-23-2018
note that: Laser's named role is not the same as any of the other investigators who flipped
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Reyweld - 07-23-2018
But why include me in the check? If I wasn't in the check, I wouldn't be incriminated at all. Robust Laser could still play out a chain of mislynches while claiming to be bombed and executing night kills. It just wouldn't make sense.
Meanwhile,
(07-20-2018, 11:47 PM)Pharmacy Wrote: »Vote Reyweld
(07-21-2018, 05:02 AM)Pharmacy Wrote: »If I'm gonna have the noose, then at least it will definitely throw shade on reyweld. Ha!
(07-21-2018, 06:28 PM)Pharmacy Wrote: »Hrmm. I suppose.
Vote: Palamedes
This isn't town positive behaviour. Unless Pharmacy is still claiming there is another redirector, it is obvious one of the two of us is scum. Pharmacy is searching for a wagon.
@Pharmacy, why would you decide to switch off of me and onto Palamedes?
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Pharmacy - 07-23-2018
What the hell is a wagon. And also I switched on you because I didn't like you (in game).
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Reyweld - 07-23-2018
As in bandwagon, joining a lynch because others are/because it is popular. In mafia, scum do this to further a mislynch or without being conspicuous.
Also, you didn't really answer my question because you went from me to Palamedes, and not the other way around. Why do you think lynching Palamedes is a good idea, or a better option over me?
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Pharmacy - 07-23-2018
I mean it's a mexican standoff between you, me, and palamedes. Anyway I voted Palamedes because he might be a nexus and I rather not have any redirections for the next night because . but honestly I rather vote off of you because I find the concept of dragging posts from the past to be very very annoying.
Anyway do you WANT to know what's my secret item. Hint: it's not poison blowdarts.
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Pharmacy - 07-23-2018
Can you even do an action and a busdrive at the same time. I thought it's just one action per night, maybe I'm wrong.
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Reyweld - 07-23-2018
Yes, I do, although it won't change my opinion. Also, the posts I "dragged from the past" were from this Day.
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Pharmacy - 07-23-2018
It is still very annoying.
Anyway, I got a bulletproof vest.
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Robust Laser - 07-23-2018
right no dragging posts from the past go on gut instinct only don't try to search for previous questionable actions and inconsistencies
what are you even on about
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Pharmacy - 07-23-2018
I am just being GRUMPY about words, man. You can do whatever the hell you want (I mean, dragging up posts is probably faster than re-reading anyway). Sorry for being a Binch.
Alright, uh. If Palamedes is antitown, they're likely 3p. I trust wheat bc town. So for now. Unvote Palamedes.
While, I'm re-reading the last ten pages and getting my marbles. I am pretty sure the scum duo is probably Reyweld/RL on the account of that too-quick confirmation and vote. But on the other hand, Robust is a noob, like me. So I would like to know why I am a scum, kind RL.
If I was lying and said I got secret poison blowdarts, I wonder why would I use it on Schazer. I didn't interact with them that much, beyond night actions, so shrug.
As regards to the quotes, Reyweld. Very presumptuous to how I am not ""town-friendly."" How is that not ""town-friendly"" it's more like neutral panic to me.
@Palamedes: what part of Sol's thing, makes you tip off to Reyweld being more favored to vote.
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Pharmacy - 07-23-2018
Anyway I wrote this at 3 am ha hoo. So I'll get back to you guys later.
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Pharmacy - 07-23-2018
Oh woops, apparently, poison darts actually straight up kill someone. Anyway, if I actually had them, I would had used them, which would had three dead people instead of two.
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Pharmacy - 07-23-2018
Anyway. NIGHT.
RE: Nostalgfia Day 7 - double date with death - Schazer - 07-23-2018
If Pharms is the last scum, then mislynch+my dying of poison+blowdarts would mean scum get 2 NKs and Overrun on D8.
That would explain conditional MYLO, but then again so does mislynch+I die of poison N7+scum NK+Pharms shoots town by accident/redirect=overrun D8.