(10-08-2018, 07:45 PM)MarbleMoth Wrote: »> ...Hey, it is true Alice is a bit sketchy, but not having any ties with anyone won't make you more "powerful". Aren't you more likely to be attacked by that evil doll thing when you're alone?

That comment "But as soon as that company becomes ill, we move from it." really now? It's one thing to stand up for yourself, to learn more about your strengths and weaknesses, but it's another thing entirely to see people as disposable once they become ill. Understand and accept Kremwahl sure, but don't let your paranoia completely take over geeze.

(10-09-2018, 05:00 AM)ReedRGale Wrote: »> Derrick: Choose to value yourself. Choose to value both Kremwahl and Nightmare. Recognize that Nightmare cares about his Sister and his friends as well, even though they may betray him. Recognize that there must be limits to betrayal before the two of you do something drastic. Recognize that there must be smaller steps, like confronting Alice, in between terror-sessions like with Zendo's torture. Ask Kremwahl if that's fair for yourself.

(10-09-2018, 12:15 AM)Kayriel Wrote: »He's telling us something Derrick needs to hear. But at the same time he's pushing too much to be the dominant part of Derrick. Even if they were fully 're-fused', this kind of thinking is actually dangerous. Derrick can't control how the others are feeling and what makes them treat him in certain ways, and to a certain extent they may not be able to. If he ditches them the moment they aren't 'beneficial' to him (the wording used makes everyone else seem like tools), then how can he repair those relationships that are VITAL and NECESSARY for Derrick and us in getting them through this?

Kremwahl needs to be kept on a leash, even if he becomes part of Derrick wholly. He needs to be the backseat, so his will can't take over. Regardless of what he says, the talk he's giving sounds very much like trying to turn Derrick into himself rather than "We need to even/average out between the two of us." If he'd been preaching for that I'd be all for it, because Derrick's a doormat, but being kind and compassionate and understanding and permissive is practically his social strength. This sounds like it's trying to make him a selfish sociopath, which is, in many cases, considered evil.

(10-09-2018, 01:54 PM)amobiaman Wrote: »Derrick: get to know yourself better before deciding anything. Ask how he feels about your friends, specifically Lucia, and what he might know about her that you don’t.

(10-09-2018, 01:54 PM)amobiaman Wrote: »Derrick: get to know yourself better before deciding anything. Ask how he feels about your friends, specifically Lucia, and what he might know about her that you don’t.

(10-10-2018, 06:21 AM)Kayriel Wrote: »I would like to point out, that all we have to go on is what Kremwahl is telling Derrick is true. He says he won't even appear if Reggie and Bambino are around. Honestly, we can't actually take anything Kremwahl says to be true, because we have nothing to fact-check it against, and no proof that he is what he says he is or that he is who he says he is.

For all we know, this is a natural part of the Lunatic Process that we were just never privy to before. We MIGHT be guiding Derrick right into Malice's puppet-y hands. Or Nightmare's. I also distinctly remember we're supposed to be helping DERRICK through this. Kremwahl wants to return some understanding of Derrick-as-Nightmare to him. All of this absolutely freaking reeks. Let us remember, the last time Derrick went red was in the Construct's Waking World. Which means he's not a figment of Derrick's powers/consciousness in the Dream World. He's either part of the construct itself, or an intruder in the construct, even if he actually IS part of Derrick he's more likely part of Nightmare, not our Derrick, who is not actually real.

(10-10-2018, 06:21 AM)Kayriel Wrote: »I would like to point out, that all we have to go on is what Kremwahl is telling Derrick is true. He says he won't even appear if Reggie and Bambino are around. Honestly, we can't actually take anything Kremwahl says to be true, because we have nothing to fact-check it against, and no proof that he is what he says he is or that he is who he says he is.

For all we know, this is a natural part of the Lunatic Process that we were just never privy to before. We MIGHT be guiding Derrick right into Malice's puppet-y hands. Or Nightmare's. I also distinctly remember we're supposed to be helping DERRICK through this. Kremwahl wants to return some understanding of Derrick-as-Nightmare to him. All of this absolutely freaking reeks. Let us remember, the last time Derrick went red was in the Construct's Waking World. Which means he's not a figment of Derrick's powers/consciousness in the Dream World. He's either part of the construct itself, or an intruder in the construct, even if he actually IS part of Derrick he's more likely part of Nightmare, not our Derrick, who is not actually real.

(10-12-2018, 03:05 PM)amobiaman Wrote: »Derrick: Ask kremwhal if he could stick around until reggie and bambino Arive. There are some things you need to ask the entirety of yourself.

(10-13-2018, 09:19 PM)Panur Wrote: »> Derrick: consider Bambino may take a really long while since there's no way into this house. Make a door hooking this place to fort system.

(10-13-2018, 09:52 PM)Heyoceama Wrote: »

(10-13-2018, 09:19 PM)Panur Wrote: »> Derrick: consider Bambino may take a really long while since there's no way into this house. Make a door hooking this place to fort system.

I'd suggest we wait to get Garry's opinion before we hook up his house. Or that if we absolutely must do it now that it be a one way route, so that it can be used to leave the island but not get to it.

(10-14-2018, 04:39 PM)Kayriel Wrote: »Kremwahl is a sociopath. I don't even mean that insultingly, he actually is a sociopath. Trying to steer Derrick into being like him, rather than evening each other out, can only result in a Bad End. He's also getting more and more suspicious as this goes on.

The best way to tell a lie is to tell the truth. Every sociopath I've ever known, been confronted with, or worked to assist has known and lived by this idea. They find it easy to have people defend them - the same people that they are hoodwinking, no less. But there's always little crumbs here or there, incongruous statements or verbal context that only comes up once in awhile after having them talk for an extended period of time on the same subject.

Kremwahl is following my many experiences to a T, so far. Derrick should NOT give him any soft of free reign, control, or room to work. Instead, he should be harnessed. Keep him down, make use of the power temporary connections with him can bring, become familiar and comprehensive with those abilities. But for goodness' sake don't turn into him.