RE: Lucidstuck II - Heyoceama - 10-08-2018
> Derrick: Consider stopping by Uilos' place to talk. He has no stake in your situation, so he's the most likely to give impartial advice.
RE: Lucidstuck II - intrepidPioneer - 10-08-2018
Derrick: You're relieved... Who are you?
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You enter the living room to find... Him.
Show ChatlogShow
Derrick: H-hello.
???: Hello Nightmare.
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Show ChatlogShow
Derrick: Am I... Did I conjure you?
???: No... I did. But then again, I guess I'm you, right?
???: Heh.
???: You wanted to talk? You had questions.
Derrick: Is this what Bambino meant?
???: Yes. You're ready to meet me it seems.
???: I bleed into all of your aspects. I am Bambino, as well as Reggie. As well as you, Nightmare.
???: I am your most predominate aspect of your self.
???: But... You lock me away.
???: I was quite relieved when you let me out when you were in trouble.
Derrick: ...
???: Don't be shy, this is what you wanted isn't it?
???: Clear up any doubts that you have.
RE: Lucidstuck II - TerraTorment - 10-08-2018
>ask him to explain what happened back on the zendo fight, you cant seem to recall despite your best efforts, all you recall is ...red, why can't you recall?
RE: Lucidstuck II - Noo5uke - 10-08-2018
>Nightmare? can you hear us?
RE: Lucidstuck II - Panur - 10-08-2018
> Derrick: deep breath, ask what's been concerning you.
RE: Lucidstuck II - TerraTorment - 10-08-2018
(10-08-2018, 12:52 PM)Noo5uke Wrote: »>Nightmare? can you hear us?
i would advice against doing this at the moment, gonna have to downvote
RE: Lucidstuck II - intrepidPioneer - 10-08-2018
Derrick: deep breath, ask what's been concerning you
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You sit on the couch with Him and take a deep breath...
Show ChatlogShow
Derrick: The fight with Zendo... Reggie says I defeated Zendo but I don't remember. What happened?
???: Well, I'm always watching, but through pure will alone you hold me down. Sort of like...
???: A big grizzly bear sitting on you, I'd be stuck under the weight of your will for reasons I'd also like to discuss with you.
???: During that time, Emily's life was in danger, and for a moment, you eased up. Enough for me to get through to you, so I sent a request to help you.
???: And to my surprise, you took it, and let me out. To which I became the dominant aspect of your being, and you took a back seat.
???: That's why you don't remember.
Derrick: Okay...
???: Why are you acting so nervous? I'm not a stranger to you.
???: We've been together our whole lives. I'm literally you, Nightmare.
Derrick: Why... Do you call me that?
???: Hm? Nightmare? That's your name. Well, that's what you named yourself when you eventually god tiered.
Derrick: What??
???: ???
Derrick: I haven't god tiered.
???: ... Yes you have. But it's incomplete. Thankfully.
???: This was supposed to be to show how you are different from your body, But I don't see it that way.
???: To me, both your body and soul are Nightmare.
Derrick: ... Are you evil?
???: Are you?
???: I'm you.
Derrick: I let you out but... I didn't want to.
???: Yes you did, otherwise you wouldn't have.
Derrick: You do bad things...
???: I do what's necessary.
Derrick: You'd hurt sister?
???: If I felt the need, sure.
???: Nightmare, you should understand that your most passionate feeling, the thing that spurs me on the most, is self preservation.
???: My strongest drive is to protect you. But you like to channel this towards others that you really care about.
???: Even then, as you've witnessed, they're not protected completely. At any time that position can shift and they'd be as worthless as anything else.
???: You say you're afraid of me, why?
Derrick: I don't hurt people.
???: Ahh... The high road.
???: Listen closely. There is a big difference between a man who can crush his enemies but chooses not to and a man who cannot crush even the tiniest insect even if his life depended on it.
???: I am that difference. I am the one who will make the tough choices for you, all you have to do is let me.
Derrick: .....
???: You wanted to meet me, right?
Derrick: .... Yes.
???: I know I keep saying this, but it's quite difficult to truly understand just how important these words are.
???: I am you.
???: If you avoid me, you're avoiding yourself.
???: You have to get to know me. We need a better relationship.
???: And the best way to get to know me, is to spend time with me.
???: That is, to spend time alone.
???: You have many friends, that's great. But they also need to get to know themselves.
???: As far as I'm concerned I should be the friend you spend time with the most right now, and I'll tell you why.
???: This place, it causes people like you to have uhh... strange aspects take hold.
???: Parts of who they are get split up and thoughts manifest how they appear.
???: I'm sure you've heard the term, Lunatic right?
Derrick: Yes Reggie had told me about it. I think.
???: Okay, well the gist of that is a "thing" that looks like an angel and a devil kind of starts stalking you to bring that side out of you.
???: You know the thing I'm talking about, right?
Derrick: Yes.
???: Well, that side that it brings out? It's me!
Derrick: ???
???: Yep, I am your lunatic self.
???: When our relationship is bad, well, how could I better put this...
???: When two people have a bad relationship what tends to happen?
Derrick: Betrayal?
???: Yes, but trust is heavily involved there, the answer I was looking for was more...
???: They stop communicating.
???: Now what do you think a person who doesn't communicate with themselves looks like?
Derrick: No morals? No inner contemplation? Uhh..
Derrick: No direct--
???: There! No direction. They don't know where to go because their mind doesn't care to stop and reflect.
???: Now that directionless side takes dominance and needs a guide, but who?
???: The same guide that was pushing it on in the first place. The thing tries to be your friend by making you think its helping you, but it's not. It's leading you to destruction.
???: Now if your communication is good? Something wonderful happens.
Derrick: ...?
???: It's called Lucidity, or your Lucid self. That's also me!
???: It's like Lunacy, but you have clarity. You know exactly what you're doing and your mind is at peace.
???: This state is something that "Thing" wants to keep from you, because Lunacy and Lucidity are all part of the same coin, that coin being your true potential.
???: See, people may tell you God tier brings you to the peak of your potential...
???: Wrong.
???: At any time, you can be the true version of yourself in this land. You just have to believe it.
???: There is a darkness that exists in everyone. Their shadow. The potential to do great horrors, and magnificent wonders. The shadow is not to be neglected or ignored, which is to neglect or ignore your true potential.
???: Sounds a little phony, right?? But it's true.
???: Emily for example, she thinks she's not commander material, but she has the strongest faith out of all of us.
???: This makes her potentially the most powerful.
???: Now you and I, we need to come to an understanding.
???: When you lock me away, you let a lot of nonsense fly by.
???: As you can see I'm not a violent person, I CAN be.
???: I know you want to pretend everything is fine and nothing bad is happening but the reality is that is simply not the case.
???: But the good thing is, you don't ever have to deal with it if you don't want to.
???: When you let me take over, I understand you took a back seat but you don't have to.
???: Like the morning with your sister. I yelled at her, yes. But you remembered!
???: We are supposed to work as one, not in turns.
???: What do you think?
Derrick: I think you're right.
???: That's good.
???: I've been talking a lot, do you have any other thoughts?
RE: Lucidstuck II - Noo5uke - 10-08-2018
>Do you have a name red dude?
RE: Lucidstuck II - Panur - 10-08-2018
> Derrick: ask if there's any way for you to distinguish when the push is for bad things or good things? is there any way for you to avoid the angel/demon thing once it shows up? How can you allow your double to act while also remaining in control? By alone, does he mean alone-alone, or are Reggie and Bambino supposed to accompany you? Does this also apply to your friends? Would it be a good idea to warn them of this?
RE: Lucidstuck II - TerraTorment - 10-08-2018
(10-08-2018, 04:35 PM)Panur Wrote: »> Derrick: ask if there's any way for you to distinguish when the push is for bad things or good things? is there any way for you to avoid the angel/demon thing once it shows up? How can you allow your double to act while also remaining in control? By alone, does he mean alone-alone, or are Reggie and Bambino supposed to accompany you? Does this also apply to your friends? Would it be a good idea to warn them of this?
Seconding
RE: Lucidstuck II - ReedRGale - 10-08-2018
> Derrick: Ask what working as one would look like
RE: Lucidstuck II - Mystdrago - 10-08-2018
>Derrick: talk yourself. For good or for bad, your friends need you to be the best you can be, so learn to be true to yourself and talk to him.
RE: Lucidstuck II - intrepidPioneer - 10-08-2018
Derrick: Ask if there's any way for you to distinguish when the push is for bad things or good things? is there any way for you to avoid the angel/demon thing once it shows up? How can you allow your double to act while also remaining in control? By alone, does he mean alone-alone, or are Reggie and Bambino supposed to accompany you? Does this also apply to your friends? Would it be a good idea to warn them of this?
![[Image: 0GIZXIo.png]](https://i.imgur.com/0GIZXIo.png)
Show ChatlogShow
Derrick: I was wondering... What do I call you?
???: Are you asking for my name?
???: I have one.
Derrick: What is it?
???: But... You already know my name.
Derrick: ...K...
Derrick: Kremwahl.
Kremwahl: Hehe...
Kremwahl: If you die in this place, and we lose our body. This will be your name too.
Derrick: When, or how do I call you?
Kremwahl: .....
Kremwahl: You missed the point of our talk it seems.
Kremwahl: I don't want to be a friend or lifeline that you summon, I want to be with you 24/7 at the ready.
Kremwahl: So the answer is you don't.
Derrick: When you say alone, do you include Bambino and Reggie?
Kremwahl: That's up to you. If you consider them more than just aspects of yourself and separate beings, then no, that's not being alone is it?
Derrick: I guess not.
Kremwahl: Look at where you are right now. It's just us in a room. No eyes wondering who we're talking to.
Kremwahl: No other people to draw your attention from the conversation.
Kremwahl: This is a peace you've rarely known. This is where we live.
Derrick: Should I warn the others about this other self?
Kremwahl: That's on them, Nightmare.
Kremwahl: Who warned you, huh?
Kremwahl: Did Alice warn you? Did Lucia?
Kremwahl: You chose to meet me.
Kremwahl: Just like they will choose to meet their own shadow.
Kremwahl: It's not up to you.
Derrick: ... The doll, how do we avoid it?
Kremwahl: It's quite easy, actually. But it requires the help of a clear mind, hence good communication between us.
Kremwahl: There is a trigger within everyone that allows the "thing" to fester within you.
Kremwahl: As long as no instance of it occurs it will never appear.
Kremwahl: If you do see it, though, then the race is on. If you understand yourself and what your insecurities are, you can better predict what it is trying to use as a way to get to you, and work on fixing it.
Kremwahl: Now remember what I said about me being your aspect that bleeds into the rest? I know what the answer is.
Kremwahl: I'm sure you can understand why this is so important now.
RE: Lucidstuck II - TerraTorment - 10-08-2018
>Derrick: agree to work as one from now on, build a good, trusting relationship with yourself to improve your life
RE: Lucidstuck II - ReedRGale - 10-08-2018
> Derrick: Ask why did the doll tried to prod you with thoughts of stabbing Sister
RE: Lucidstuck II - Noo5uke - 10-08-2018
(10-08-2018, 05:15 PM)TerraTorment Wrote: »>Derrick: agree to work as one from now on, build a good, trusting relationship with yourself to improve your life
Dito.
RE: Lucidstuck II - intrepidPioneer - 10-08-2018
Derrick: agree to work as one from now on, build a good, trusting relationship with yourself to improve your life
Show ChatlogShow
Derrick: I agree we should work as one from now on, I want to build a good relationship with you.
Kremwahl: Hehehe...
Kremwahl: Good answer, Nightmare.
Kremwahl: Do you know why I appear as a separate being even though we're the same person?
Kremwahl: It's because you've had it in your mind that this soft, innocent, meek version of yourself is who you are and should be.
Kremwahl: So you created me to be... A figure on its own that does the things you don't like.
Kremwahl: We're not supposed to be separated. This conversation is supposed to be an internal introspection.
Kremwahl: So I hope in the future we don't have to do it this way.
Derrick: Why did the doll try to make me think I stabbed my sister?
Kremwahl: Because I wanted to.
Derrick: What??
Kremwahl: Why are you surprised? She crossed us. And I suspect she's done a lot worse than we know.
Kremwahl: We are going to cut out anything that doesn't benefit us.
Derrick: She's family, the last we have left...
Kremwahl: So?
Kremwahl: We have no ties to anything or anyone. We are the most powerful this way.
Kremwahl: I'm not saying that we can't be in good company often, Sister included.
Kremwahl: But as soon as that company becomes ill, we move from it.
Kremwahl: If it takes hold, we cut it off.
Kremwahl: Else it takes us down as well. Wouldn't you agree?
Derrick: .... The trigger.
Derrick: What's our trigger?
Kremwahl: The coldest betrayal.
Kremwahl: Your sister is still in a higher standing than Lucia, so if she would betray you, it would be cold but not the coldest.
Kremwahl: Only your sister can cause this.
Derrick: What does it entail...?
Kremwahl: Well, you saw what happened. She was telling lies.
Derrick: I've seen the doll before...
Kremwahl: In the broom closet, Right? Do you recall what you learned in there?
Derrick: ...
Kremwahl: Do you want me to tell you?
Derrick: ...... Wait.
Kremwahl: You found business clothes.
Derrick: Hold on...
Kremwahl: A bloody scarf and broken glasses...
Kremwahl: And... Your sister's bedroom key.
Kremwahl: Nightmare, what happened to that key?
Derrick: .......
Kremwahl: Nightmare, where's the note your caretaker left for you?
Derrick: .......
Kremwahl: Nightmare, Why hasn't your caretaker called you to make sure you were okay? Is that normal behaviour?
Derrick: .........
Kremwahl: That "Thing" only appears when you think your sister is betraying you.
Kremwahl: That's it's way in.
Kremwahl: That's it's only way in, it's your biggest insecurity. The loyalty of the one closest to you.
Kremwahl: So naturally it's your weakest link.
Kremwahl: If you want to combat this, you can do two things.
Kremwahl: Dethrone your sister as your most precious relationship, and put me there instead.
Kremwahl: Or release her to her own devices, and let it be known to her that you are watching closely and can see right through her.
Kremwahl: (Because I can, we're twins.)
Kremwahl: See? Easy.
RE: Lucidstuck II - neferiusNexus - 10-08-2018
>Derrick: Putting myself above others all the time is dangerous. After-all I can only see you when it's reflected by others, otherwise you're invisible to me. And the longer I can't see you, the real you, the wider the gap will grow between us. If I didn't need anybody, why would I have rescued the Reapers and kept them around for so long then? I agree that we need to confront Sister, but our understanding is that you will never ignore or brush aside my feelings as irrelevant, just as I will never ignore your advice and the obvious truths you point out.
RE: Lucidstuck II - Noo5uke - 10-08-2018
>Derick Trust him and do what he sayes because your ''Sister'' Can still lie.
RE: Lucidstuck II - TerraTorment - 10-08-2018
(10-08-2018, 07:37 PM)Noo5uke Wrote: »>Derick Trust him and do what he sayes because your ''Sister'' Can still lie.
seconding
RE: Lucidstuck II - MarbleMoth - 10-08-2018
> ...Hey, it is true Alice is a bit sketchy, but not having any ties with anyone won't make you more "powerful". Aren't you more likely to be attacked by that evil doll thing when you're alone?
That comment "But as soon as that company becomes ill, we move from it." really now? It's one thing to stand up for yourself, to learn more about your strengths and weaknesses, but it's another thing entirely to see people as disposable once they become ill. Understand and accept Kremwahl sure, but don't let your paranoia completely take over geeze.
RE: Lucidstuck II - amaranthineApocalypse - 10-08-2018
(10-08-2018, 07:45 PM)MarbleMoth Wrote: »> ...Hey, it is true Alice is a bit sketchy, but not having any ties with anyone won't make you more "powerful". Aren't you more likely to be attacked by that evil doll thing when you're alone?
That comment "But as soon as that company becomes ill, we move from it." really now? It's one thing to stand up for yourself, to learn more about your strengths and weaknesses, but it's another thing entirely to see people as disposable once they become ill. Understand and accept Kremwahl sure, but don't let your paranoia completely take over geeze.
Given that the evidence points towards the fact that Alice murdered their grandfather I'm inclined to downvote this one.
RE: Lucidstuck II - MarbleMoth - 10-08-2018
Well, yeah I agree, Alice is a monster.
I'm just concerned about Derrick's mental state is all. I want him to realise that Alice is awful and that they should cut ties... That has to happen at some point. The problem here, is how should the news should be broken to him and how will Derrick react accordingly? Will he completely cut ties with everyone else, for fear of being betrayed again? Yikes what if he rejects Lucia after all that...
This is kind of a sad and difficult situation to be in ._.
I suppose we can only do this one step at a time though ^^;
RE: Lucidstuck II - neferiusNexus - 10-08-2018
(10-08-2018, 07:45 PM)MarbleMoth Wrote: »> ...Hey, it is true Alice is a bit sketchy, but not having any ties with anyone won't make you more "powerful". Aren't you more likely to be attacked by that evil doll thing when you're alone?
That comment "But as soon as that company becomes ill, we move from it." really now? It's one thing to stand up for yourself, to learn more about your strengths and weaknesses, but it's another thing entirely to see people as disposable once they become ill. Understand and accept Kremwahl sure, but don't let your paranoia completely take over geeze.
Upvoting this one because this is what we need.
RE: Lucidstuck II - Kayriel - 10-09-2018
He's telling us something Derrick needs to hear. But at the same time he's pushing too much to be the dominant part of Derrick. Even if they were fully 're-fused', this kind of thinking is actually dangerous. Derrick can't control how the others are feeling and what makes them treat him in certain ways, and to a certain extent they may not be able to. If he ditches them the moment they aren't 'beneficial' to him (the wording used makes everyone else seem like tools), then how can he repair those relationships that are VITAL and NECESSARY for Derrick and us in getting them through this?
Kremwahl needs to be kept on a leash, even if he becomes part of Derrick wholly. He needs to be the backseat, so his will can't take over. Regardless of what he says, the talk he's giving sounds very much like trying to turn Derrick into himself rather than "We need to even/average out between the two of us." If he'd been preaching for that I'd be all for it, because Derrick's a doormat, but being kind and compassionate and understanding and permissive is practically his social strength. This sounds like it's trying to make him a selfish sociopath, which is, in many cases, considered evil.
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