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RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Three: A Bloody Mystery [17/21] - Schazer - 09-11-2018
Slorange is town, that much I can promise you
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Three: A Bloody Mystery [17/21] - Jacquerel - 09-11-2018
Hey another reason we maybe want to kill Airey is that if you remember back to the end of day one, Q would kill whoever was responsible for lynching or shooting the siren to satisfy honour if it wasn’t Q.
I’m not saying that Airey would definitely have inherited this but i’m definitely saying that they wouldn’t tell us that they did
although if I was airey I wouldn’t have told anyone any of this in the first place so maybe i’m wrong about that
I sympathise with your... weird apparent team swapping role?
But like, you’ve claimed that you’re not on our team, so why would we trust you or want you to continue misdirecting discussion now knowing your interests are unaligned with ours? not that the SK’s are either but if you work like Q then helping you out removes two players instead of one.
...although as they’d both be third parties one of which directly kills people that’s maybe not bad for us, I’m just also not convinced that it is Sol
Claiming this makes about as much sense to me as claiming bomb.
Clearly, from yesterday, I should learn my lesson that making weird plays does not make you scum but like, the role you are claiming to have been inspired by was not, a good one for us or pro town
barring the fact that the Siren might in some way actually be scarier than a serial killer, because so far cb is right that this seems a pretty toug setup to play sk in
I would still rather lynch scum than a third party and this would be a weird scum gambit because it is, not a good claim for scum, but this is like the third time i’ve written that sentence in this topic and someone’s got to be lying some time.
Hey RobustLaser (or anyone who hasn’t already chimed in if you want) what do you think of Airey’s claim?
Are they lying about having been a bomb? Did dini lie to them about being a bomb? Kind of a dick move, but changing team day two also a little unusual if true.
Did someone improbably protect both parties? Am I the serial killer who was protected by coldblooded and then someone else protected Airey (it ain’t that one)?
Do you think Solaris could be the serial killer? If not, who?
Another note I thought about last night (irl) is that so far both dead townies have had a component to their role that they didn’t know about. I can’t think what mine would be and two isn’t a pattern, but.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Three: A Bloody Mystery [17/21] - Not The Author - 09-11-2018
(09-11-2018, 05:50 AM)Schazer Wrote: »Slorange is town, that much I can promise you
im hyperventilating
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Three: A Bloody Mystery [17/21] - beruru - 09-11-2018
Hi.
I don't really remember anything about this game.
Airey is giving me hives. I don't like keeping not-town people around on principle tbh.
He has enough votes already tho and in my brief skim I don't really see anything that makes me not wanna Vote: Granola again. He probably isn't aligned with Airey but like if Airey is 3p then... he can still be mafia? Yeah that's how that works. yee.
This game is super low on my list of 29034890234 priorities because I'm an idiot and shouldn't have replaced into this at the start of the mcfreakin school year but I'll try to stop forgetting it exists
also ty seedy :D
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Three: A Bloody Mystery [17/21] - Robust Laser - 09-11-2018
I don't think I really believed the bomb thing that much when that was the main claim. Well, I sort of did, and then thought maybe it was just a bad play, and then wasn't sure, and then it turned out to be a one-shot bomb, which got used up apparently exactly at the right time, almost right away. The 'steals an alignment' sounds like something I would believe to be in something like this (I like the idea of 'oh hey it maintains the balance for one death'), but there's enough going on that like, there's a lot of weirdness to today. All claims of kills seem to claim that they 'went through', right? But I mean, if Airey's lying about this, they could be lying about any number of things, but I think the accusation against Solaris seemed based on 'hey how did you know that.' Which could be genuine thinking like "Well the most likely way you'd know somebody got attacked is because you attacked me!" which -- like -- eh. I believe the confusion because I also was briefly confused by it.
I... think they're a safe lynch at the very least. My thoughts are that either they're telling the truth, and right now a third party with the goal of killing the serial killer (although the exact specifics behind it are questionable), or in the mafia, and trying to make this sound good. But like, they'd have been given a fake claim, right? And would that really be it, if it's being used at all? Third parties also get fakeclaims, right? If Airey is claiming third party I'd like to hear if they got one of those.
Man the protection stuff is so weird. I do really have to wonder if the blood is related. I got nothing blood related in my flavor but didn't somebody mention they did get a blood mention, but after they did the action? Like, people seem to have indicated that the actions successfully went through. And I don't know what that means exactly like, does getting blocked mean it went through even thought the result did nothing? Or does that mean something different?
Also on the front of this role, "dedicate self to the cause, fanatically so" what does that even mean if like, a townie got lynched? Would that be a one-shot bomb that only works against mafia? If Mafia would it be a one shot bomb that only works on town? Exactly how much is there to this role???
eh screw it Vote: Airey I was gonna not because soft is already on anyways but like, there has been exactly enough information to be frustratingly confusing on this.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Three: A Bloody Mystery [17/21] - Robust Laser - 09-11-2018
I think whatever prevented apparently three deaths tonight can't be individual causes. I mean it could be but it seems more likely to be a single ability, which I would guess is blood related, but like, this is assuming three deaths were supposed to happen and not just one (Jacq's probably, if this is the case).
I've felt slightly more neutral on Solaris during today but not enough to assume they couldn't be scum/sk, but I think them as SK is just a misinformed shot in the dark.
Also seems there's a light vote against 'nola building which I'm not against. I'm not much of one for like, being good at like, successfully deducing why somebody like, makes posts in a certain manner but the way I feel like I get nothing positive or negative out of them makes me feel like, maybe that's an attempt to keep low amounts of attention, but I don't necessarily feel confident about it per se.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Three: A Bloody Mystery [17/21] - Jacquerel - 09-11-2018
I for one do not believe that any effect stopped all kills at once last night, because something definitely consumed cb's effect which was targeted at me, which means it wasn't first blocked by something else.
So if there were meant to be three deaths yesterday and Airey isn't bullet proof scum doing a gambit then a lot of shit went down.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Three: A Bloody Mystery [17/21] - Jacquerel - 09-11-2018
If something did prevent all kills last night (my flavour implies it wasn't the blood) but I had to watch a beautiful boy take a bullet for me anyway for some reason then the confluence of events last night will be very funny after the end of the game.
A third option is that Airey got bus driven to me and was the only kill last night but that's just, stretching credibility and also not consistent with his claims and I don't think it is true.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Three: A Bloody Mystery [17/21] - Jacquerel - 09-11-2018
Quote:Well the message i got was that i was killed in the night and my attacker died with me, then at day start i am not dead and neither is anyone else so i can only assume it has something to do with the blood as i cannot think of any other reason why.
Also he wouldn't usually be told that he died in that scenario.
Or at all that he got shot or anything.
Honestly that's the weirdest part of this claim is that apparently mirdini told you that you died in your quicktopic despite the days evidence to the contrary?
That's just, such a weird thing for either of you to lie about.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Three: A Bloody Mystery [17/21] - Solaris - 09-11-2018
i guess the last option is that secretly whoever killed airey, and airey is going to die when the day ends despite no one having any indication of that, and that not being a scum ability in which case if slorange doesnt claim to have done it then i dont know why someone wouldnt have because that ability would have to be a one shot?
the only other thing that could be is that the blood thing is something that someone didnt know about that activated because of something that they werent told which is different from literally Every Single Other Ability that we've been made aware of so far so like, i Really Doubt All Of This
i have another theory as to What Happened but thats maybe unnecessary rn so whatever, i feel like we can kind of ignore the blood if no one is willing to talk about it
jac/coldblooded was the blood extant during your night flavor?
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Three: A Bloody Mystery [17/21] - Solaris - 09-11-2018
also i guess at least one of slorange or schazer is not mafia, definitely feels like the sort of thing thats fine to just let sit aside for a while imo
beru do you have opinions on stuff that doesn't have to do with airey or nola? ty
numbers vanished after the start of today, numbers do you have anything to add about anything that happened today? i wanted to believe you're just naive town but im getting less and less convinced of that?
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Three: A Bloody Mystery [17/21] - Jacquerel - 09-11-2018
(09-10-2018, 07:40 AM)Jacquerel Wrote: »Especially because my might flavour mentioned all of the blood being there already, and that it was already there before any night actions I am aware of happened at all!
Dini isn’t that much if a bastard, I think.
Yeah the blood was mentioned for me and it was literally the first thing that was mentioned in my flavour, before anything else happened.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Three: A Bloody Mystery [17/21] - Solaris - 09-11-2018
yeah i dont know if the blood is real
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Three: A Bloody Mystery [17/21] - x1372 - 09-11-2018
Allrighty, there's gonna be a lot of bits and bobs in this post, including some explanations behind a few of my questions. There's a lot of mechanical guessing and such, much of which could be wrong, but here goes.
I am no longer totally convinced that this game setup contains a serial killer. If I had to guess, I'd say there's a town-sided vigilante or something. The two (presumably non-mafia) targets based on death and claim from my view mesh perfectly with the actions of a scum-hunting vigilante. Our only real evidence that those kills were non-townsided was LegendaryQ's flip, and it's not inconceivable that the wailren's target is allied with the town or the scum faction. Metagaming a bit here, but it'd sounds kinda unfair for a SK to have additional pressure of someone hunting them, but that's not nearly as much of a problem balance-wise for a vigilante. I was slightly fishing to see if granolaman might comment on the possibility, but no matter. Of course, this goes completely against things that Airey was saying in their response to my questions, but I'm particularly trusting of that.
Speaking of granolaman, who ARE your biggest scum reads then, if Robot Laser isn't one of them? Because RL was the highest scum read you had on... well, anyone who voted to lynch EITHER non-scum lynch victim we've had in the game so far. It seems curious that you don't have much of a scum-read on any of them.
Next, I'd like a bit of context. How experienced of a player is coldblooded? And is she the crafty type who's likely to pull off something like the following?
I certainly don't currently believe this is the case, but I've got this nagging suspicion that they could be involved in a pretty sneaky scum gambit today. I can't help but note that coldblooded jumped out early to claim that Jacquerel got shot before Jacquerel had a chance to comment on it himself. This makes Jacquerel the closest thing we have to confirmed town, and makes coldblooded look good for doing so. And that'd be a heck of a dangerous gambit for two scum-buds to make (since it would presumably have also included not taking a shot n2), but not NEARLY as much of one for coldblooded to do so as scum with Jacquerel as a townie. Because if Jacquerel survived an attack by scum, scum knows it. I've been on scum teams that made crazier gambits than that, though never quite as quick on the draw about it as coldblooded was. If, indeed, it was a scum gambit, which I currently doubt, but can't completely shake the possibility. The fact that Jacquerel and coldblooded seem to be sharing winks about fluff makes this whole thing even less likely. In any event, it's clear that Airey wasn't thinking about or willing to speak to that theory, because they didn't bite on my “either or both scum” question.
Schazer's vote post targeting numbers bugs me a wee bit. Arguing that it would have been better to not give an explanation for a vote rather than a weak one seems... eh? I mean heck, I sorta did that when I initially voted tehpilot but I was admittedly at least partially trying to gauge their reaction and followed it up (far more dickishly than I should have) later.
It feels weird, I think I'm the only person whose opinion of Blazer/Lordy actually went DOWN when they claimed. Reading day 2 start I was thinking of that slot as my strongest town read, right up until the claim that I double-plus did not like. It's weird that other people seem to be leaning slight town because of that claim, while I went from leaning strong town to only slight town because of it.
So Airey is claiming 3rd party in addition to all of the rest. Hmf. Really not liking this. Part of me wants to lynch that just on principle, but at the very least I don't want to push toward ending the day early.
Regarding claims of what happened last night. None of the targets have claimed an extra hit point or bulletproof (and it'd be completely nonsensical for Airey given their claims). Presumably something or someone prevented all kills from going through last night (coldblooded and jacquerel fluff comments nonwithstanding). That seems like a crazy strong power, even for a one-shot. A weird thought, and part of why I'm a bit hesitant to join the Airey vote train, is that this “blood” event or whatever could be just delaying the deaths. If that's the case, and he is telling the truth about having been targeted, then the Airey lynch would be a waste as they would likely be dead tomorrow anyway. If airey's telling the truth about being a bomb and isn't lynched, we could have 5 people dead at daystart tomorrow.
Just in case that theory's true... hey Jacquerel? Would you mind giving out some additional reads, and asking some questions of the rest of the group? Right now you're the closest thing to confirmed town that we are likely to get in this game, and if there's even a chance you're living on borrowed time I'd like to make the most of it.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Three: A Bloody Mystery [17/21] - Jacquerel - 09-11-2018
I'm inclined to think coldblooded isn't doing some kind of gambit because what she's said not only matched the mechanics of my survival but also the flavour.
It's possible (maybe even likely) that whoever shot me would also know that too but I think that makes me less inclined to think this is some kind of play.
I will post other responses after work.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Three: A Bloody Mystery [17/21] - Jacquerel - 09-11-2018
So like I just want to repeat to make it clear, according to my quicktopic the reason I didn't die is because Coldblooded's night action prevented it from happening.
The kill on me definitely would have gone through without the interference of Coldblooded.
My death was not delayed, I'm not going to die when the day ends or tomorrow morning (unless someone shoots me again tonight).
Whoever tried to kill me did actually kill someone, it just wasn't me (or any other player). Coldblooded's son valiantly took the bullet in my place and then died in my arms, may he not be forgotten.
What Coldblooded described happening matches exactly what my quicktopic says, and thus I am heavily sceptical of any speculation that some other effect prevented all kills last night, because in that case I don't imagine the flavour or non-flavour mechanical explanation of events which I got would be what it was.
Which in turn makes me heavily sceptical of Airey who claims that two additional people should have died last night and did not, which is a large number of people to not die, and also that their flavour and mechanical explanation are incompatible with how the game was at daystart, which is just weird.
And then claimed not to be aligned with town for, some reason.
I am willing to entertain the idea that the "Siren" is something which isn't a serial killer, and the extra kills that have been floating around have been from someone else, but I think it's pretty unlikely that Airey would lie about being shot. That would only be a safe claim if Airey had been the person doing the shooting and couldn't or didn't want to do it last night, otherwise they're begging for the actual second person who got shot to counterclaim them.
Also in case it interests anyone, I double triple checked my quicktopic and I did find one useful piece of information about this blood (not really, but it's funny and I wanted to relay it to everyone else): It doesn't belong to any active Monomin employees, so you don't need to worry about that.
This is a place of science, is it really that unusual for the corridors to be running with blood?
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Three: A Bloody Mystery [17/21] - Solaris - 09-11-2018
i have reason to suspect that whatever the siren is, they are not a vigilante aligned with town
x i don't fully think that blazer/lordly is town but that sort of claim is Buck Wild to make and the like "lynch me and we will take down both of us" is a lose lose for scum to claim i think? there could be other things though, as always.
if the blood is delaying deaths it doesnt make sense for the following though
>no one claimed to be the cause of it
>it makes no sense as a scum ability to delay deaths temporarily
>it makes some sense as a third party but
>coldblooded and jac's combo implies that it is not all deaths, but then deaths involving airey, who claimed to be shot???
its far more likely that the blood is some fake stuff OR airey knows about it and is lying than it is a Real Actual Factual Thing
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Three: A Bloody Mystery [17/21] - Coldblooded - 09-11-2018
(09-11-2018, 03:35 PM)x1372 Wrote: »Next, I'd like a bit of context. How experienced of a player is coldblooded? And is she the crafty type who's likely to pull off something like the following?
I've been playing forum mafias on and off since like 2010. One of my first games was actually your original Dersehunt setup, back when I was still playing as Dragon[ERROR: DATA EXPUNGED]99.
Re: Flavor stuff: My Quicktopic says that there was already blood on the ground when I did my action at the beginning of the night, and that the attempt on Jac's life happened shortly before 0400.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Three: A Bloody Mystery [17/21] - Jacquerel - 09-11-2018
My vibes from yesterday haven't changed much apart from I can feel a little better about some people who are town (including myself)
My post-work post is going to have to turn into another post later because it turns out there's still a bunch of people who I have like, not strong enough feelings to write about right now, and now that scum have rudely thrust my into the limelight I guess that's my job now
Very Town: Me, Coldblooded, Blazer/Lordlyhour
Kind of town: Solaris, Slorange, x/Acio,
Don't know: RobustLaser, Granola
Don't like: Numbers? NTA, TehPilot
Would kill: Airey, Schazer
I already said yesterday that Airey was my second lynch after aC and then someone tried to shoot me.
They've been wildly going in on Solaris all game and even after their explanation I don't get it. Why does Airey believe so strongly that Solaris is their target?
Solaris looks good (and in the game) by prolonged, unfeigned emnity with Airey (although to be fair, mostly one-sided). Whatever they have going on is not something two coaligned people would do, although if Airey was a third party that means a lot less.
I still don't really know where Airey's idea that Solaris is the theoretical serial killer came from.
Granola, Solaris, and TehPilot share my 100% mislynch record, but also like, scum have enough information to not do that? It would be a bad idea to vote for someone you know isn't scum twice in a row, then shoot me and reyweld (unless I wasn't shot by the mafia), which makes me feel better about the people who voted for Q day one.
At this point I don't think more than like one person and maybe it could be 0 people from the day one wagon are scum.
Schazer's in that weird place where she's acting like she wants to die and otherwise barely interacting with the game at all, to the extent where it feels like trying to lynch her would be a waste of a day, but that's exactly the position scum want to be in?
She's also vagueing like hell about having some ability which means she wants to die at night time but that's like, the opposite behaviour to someone who wants to get shot at night. If you want someone to shoot you then you need to draw attention to yourself, which they are not doing, and also, not literally tell them that you want them to shoot you.
Saying "I have a role where I want people to shoot me" always just translates in my head as "Don't shoot me".
Numbers I still find hard to read due to their inexperience and basically I just want to, repeat my earlier position of that I am happy for them to still be alive for a few days because:
a) Presumably they'll have talked more
b) If they live that long then it's hard to believe their completely unprovoked day one claim of useful town power role
So uh, I guess that's a poisoned chalice there buddy because the only way I'll easily trust you since making that claim is if you get killed for making it. Oops!
I like x/Acio more now that they're not Acio because my brain turns off when I read any of Acio's posts, in that they're playing the game of someone who knows how to play mafia while I am playing the game of a loud dumbass who is good at looking like he knows something about things.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Three: A Bloody Mystery [17/21] - Jacquerel - 09-11-2018
(09-11-2018, 05:58 PM)Coldblooded Wrote: »(09-11-2018, 03:35 PM)x1372 Wrote: »Next, I'd like a bit of context. How experienced of a player is coldblooded? And is she the crafty type who's likely to pull off something like the following?
I've been playing forum mafias on and off since like 2010. One of my first games was actually your original Dersehunt setup, back when I was still playing as Dragon[ERROR: DATA EXPUNGED]99.
Re: Flavor stuff: My Quicktopic says that there was already blood on the ground when I did my action at the beginning of the night, and that the attempt on Jac's life happened shortly before 0400.
There's no reference to time in mine but it also mentions the blood just being there from the very beginning.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Three: A Bloody Mystery [17/21] - TehPilot - 09-11-2018
(09-10-2018, 05:36 PM)seedy Wrote: »@tehpilot why does ac’s flip make you think solaris is more town?
My initial scumread on Solaris was predicated on thinking they were both scum. I started having my doubts as D2 progressed and now that read doesn't hold whatsoever after aC flips town. Airey's posts also play a role in my shifted opinion.
Speaking of reads: does anyone have a particularly strong opinion on Palamedes? I feel he's been talked about the least out of anyone.
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Regarding flavor: My single predilection on blood having any impact is any impact occurred before other night actions took place - but that's fueled by what CB/Jac have mentioned and the blood post from Mirdini being separate from dayend and daystart's posts. Entirely meta, but that's about all we have barring someone claiming direct knowledge.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Three: A Bloody Mystery [17/21] - Mirdini - 09-11-2018
Mega Votal
Airey - 6 (Solaris, TehPilot, Coldblooded, Granolaman, Jacquerel, Robust Laser)
TehPilot - 2 (x1372, Palamedes)
Granolaman - 2 (Sai, beruru)
Numbers - 1 (Schazer)
Robust Laser - 1 (Numbers)
Not The Author - 1 (seedy)
Solaris - 1 (Airey)
Schazer - 1 (Not The Author)
Abstaining - 2 (LordlyHour, SleepingOrange)
With 17 players alive it takes 9 votes to hard lynch, and 5 votes to soft lynch. Day ends in 43 hours, at 5pm CET on Thursday, September 13.
Day End Countdown
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Three: A Bloody Mystery [17/21] - x1372 - 09-11-2018
Well. I've been mulling things over in a very incorrect possibility space it seems then. Apparently some things never change. I guess I can roll back my worries about the probability of a delayed-death scenario or coldblooded pulling something super sneaky.
I guess I was treating the conversation bits between Jacquerel and Coldblooded as more fluff than substance. If that's not the case, and what happened did count as a kill in some regard, well, some of my other assumptions are out the window and need major review. It also means that, assuming Airey was lying, whatever attack killed scum night 1 could have even been a one-shot power. That said, the odds of Airey lying about role but having bulletproof have also risen substantially.
@Coldblooded, gotcha, I recognized your avatar but hadn't put it together without the matching name. On one hand, I suspect you ARE the sort who could pull off a scum gambit like that, but with the mechanical handshake with jacquerel it seems far less likely than I'd previously considered.
As for the Blazer/Lordy claim thing being bad for scum. In general, yes. In a vacuum, yes. But a gambit like they claimed could work out just fine if we never get around to testing or confirming it, and well, I don't think they actually gained more than one vote from that before things move from Blazer vs aC (admittedly somewhat one-sided) to just aC with a lot of mechanical discussion. And Blazer could have been planning to change their claim under the guise of provoking reactions later as well, but never had to. I've seen both town and scum pull similar tricks in other games, although I can't speak to the success rate of either.
I guess maybe that's just my own theories and feelings about these sorts of games coming out. I have a tendency to be suspect of most claims, contested or not, when they don't come with immediate information that influences the town's decision making regarding players other than the claimant. Hence why, despite my paranoia earlier, I feel much better about coldblooded's claim now than about the vengeful claim from yesterday.
@Jacquerel I suppose it's possible but it just looks WEIRD to me that we now have multiple people postulating 0 or 1 scum on what was functionally a d1 townie lynch as far as votals go. Definitely possible, but just seems weird. I'm leaning scum on tehpilot and very slightly scum on robust laser, but you could very well be right.
@Airey You're claiming 3rd party. With powers. And a not-completely-town agenda. Yes, killing a serial killer (if there is one, I'm still not totally convinced) is technically pro-town but... that's the sort of claim that scum could hide behind. Especially if you, like legendaryQ, had a one-shot bulletproof. Do you have... well, anything else to convince the town that you shouldn't be today's lynch? I don't want to be presumptuous, but unless something major changes you're getting lynched today. Even if you're telling the truth, removing a 3p is still a net positive for town. And that un-retracted bomb claim actually somehow managed to sound worse with clarification.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Three: A Bloody Mystery [17/21] - Airey - 09-11-2018
(09-11-2018, 07:47 PM)x1372 Wrote: »@Airey You're claiming 3rd party. With powers. And a not-completely-town agenda. Yes, killing a serial killer (if there is one, I'm still not totally convinced) is technically pro-town but... that's the sort of claim that scum could hide behind. Especially if you, like legendaryQ, had a one-shot bulletproof. Do you have... well, anything else to convince the town that you shouldn't be today's lynch? I don't want to be presumptuous, but unless something major changes you're getting lynched today. Even if you're telling the truth, removing a 3p is still a net positive for town. And that un-retracted bomb claim actually somehow managed to sound worse with clarification.
So I am pretty much an Amnesiac with a bomb, my biggest issue now and the reason i claimed is because my bomb went off and did not kill my killer and now i no longer have said bomb and the only way for me to win is with the siren being lynched. you say removing a 3p is a net positive for the town is kind of a laugh in my face as that is what iv been saying all along in wanting to kill the sk.
also perhaps the biggest reason not to bother lynching me is that i am dead to siren tonight anyway after me claiming walrus and getting town to lynch who i think the sk is, is for sure not going to happen so i am more or less a dead man with a paper mache walrus mask walking.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Three: A Bloody Mystery [17/21] - Coldblooded - 09-11-2018
Why is your goal to get the siren lynched then, if LQ's goal was specifically to nightkill them? It even says in his flip that if the siren was lynched, he would just daykill whoever hammered them.